Current Events > Ukraine War Topic Part VIII

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-has-sufficient-stockpile-cluster-bombs-will-use-them-if-2023-07-16/
Putin: Russia have a "sufficient stockpile" of cluster bombs and reserves the right to use them if such munitions, the use of which he regarded as a crime, were deployed against Russian forces in Ukraine.

They've already been using cluster munitions, though

Everybody knows that, so the question is if Putin lies, believes in his lies or doesnt know it.

Foppe posted...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-has-sufficient-stockpile-cluster-bombs-will-use-them-if-2023-07-16/
Putin: Russia have a "sufficient stockpile" of cluster bombs and reserves the right to use them if such munitions, the use of which he regarded as a crime, were deployed against Russian forces in Ukraine.

Xenogears15 posted...

They've already been using cluster munitions, though

Foppe posted...

Everybody knows that, so the question is if Putin lies, believes in his lies or doesnt know it.

Did I say that? My mistake. I meant to say that it is a crime to defend oneself from my forces and attack them for any reason. - Putin, probably

russia always does the woe is me shtick when ukraine defends themselves and act like it is an outrage. fuck putin and fuck lavrov trying to play the victim when they invaded a country with no provocation and murder civilians daily

Russia fixed that bridge pretty fast. Wonder if its shoddy repair work or an actual attack. Ukraine was using sea and air drones around Crimea earlier today.

NCD is gonna love this

jefffan posted...

Russia fixed that bridge pretty fast. Wonder if its shoddy repair work or an actual attack. Ukraine was using sea and air drones around Crimea earlier today.

I wish they would just destroy so much of it that it becomes a months-long project. It's an essential supply route for Russia and cutting off is obvious strategy.

Notti posted...

https://imgur.com/a/q7MspXB

DoomsSD posted...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66160319

FINALLY!!
Hope Erdogan didn't get too many appeasements over this.

Welcome to Nato, Sweden!

Deleted post #311...

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Russian propaganda from an account that just hit 50 karma. Imagine that.

OmegaShinkai satires 311...

What are you talking about? Support for Ukraine is drying up, Russia stands strong and is resilient to western sanctions thanks to her stout allies, and the days of the West's influence in the world are fading. My post is very organic and I'm neutral regarding this conflict.

Also there is no panic regarding Sweden joining NATO and the entrances to both the Baltic and Black Sea being controlled by NATO was part of the plan all along.

There was a Putin shill / Anti Ukraine user who blocked me for posting the above vid. So maybe that triggered him to post reply 311, using an alt.

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From that angle/perspective, it could be seen as a tree blocking the way. Though it seems the Russians are claiming that the bridge became damaged.
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1680757333901684736
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1680759823976247296

Btw, His name was Skiggie. But I'm not sure what the deleted posts name was.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680760099550404608

https://twitter.com/andrewperpetua/status/1680821838857814018

Taken from a passing train. They seem to have targeted the road span over the rail span, which seems odd to me. The rail span would have been a much more valuable target.

I'm not really sure this explosion is going to have much of a material effect apart from scaring some idiot tourists who shouldn't have been in Crimea in the first place.

Was it an explosion, or just the inevitable consequence of fixing the bridge with glue and duct tape?

I don't think anything's been confirmed. One theory is that it was a naval drone that blew up underneath the bridge.

Thompson posted...

Was it an explosion, or just the inevitable consequence of fixing the bridge with glue and duct tape?

AFAIK, no one doubts the fact that there were 2 explosions after 3 AM.

Ukraine was trolling Russia a bit saying "No no, that was Russia's doing, they attack themself just to provoke other!" but that was more like mirroring the ridiculous claims Russia does every single day.

I just don't understand why it was again the car lane that got hit hardest, and not the train bridge. Probably because the car bridge is easier to destroy?

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't think anything's been confirmed. One theory is that it was a naval drone that blew up underneath the bridge.

Ukraine confirmed they did it with unmanned vehicles--according to the BBC

Some additional good news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1516cuc/russian_rocket_storage_point_destroyed_in_luhansk/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1515lt3/russians_lost_almost_two_companies_six_units_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/150shzm/russian_generals_go_missing_as_counteroffensive/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1509z2p/defense_forces_destroy_s400_triumf_system_from/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/150edyb/ukrinform_south_korea_to_increase_assistance_to/

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't think anything's been confirmed. One theory is that it was a naval drone that blew up underneath the bridge.

The Ukrainian government made a statement that to date has been their most blatant ownership of this sort of attack. A reporter for the BBC I was listening to said someone from the Ukrainian government directly told him they did it, and then commented how they used less concrete language in their press release, while also heavily hinting at taking ownership.

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1680819962644951041
Looks like both east and westbound spans have been damaged, if not disabled. Last time it was only the westbound span that was hit.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

https://twitter.com/andrewperpetua/status/1680821838857814018

Taken from a passing train. They seem to have targeted the road span over the rail span, which seems odd to me. The rail span would have been a much more valuable target.

I'm not really sure this explosion is going to have much of a material effect apart from scaring some idiot tourists who shouldn't have been in Crimea in the first place.

They seem to have closed the entire bridge. No one is allowed to crossover whether by road, train/rail, or sea. For people who wanted to use the bridge have to take an alternate route which was mapped out.

The attack on the bridge pissed off Russias higher-ups.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680784062536097792
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680778093303304192
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680773024033955841
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680774826708078592
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680775531380490242
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680775531380490242
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680772007603081216
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1680780044833292290

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*Kyiv

What combat dolphins doing?

When the tourist trap becomes a literal trap...
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1680917205926436864

Thompson posted...

When the tourist trap becomes a literal trap...
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1680917205926436864

Damn, that is cold.

Sir_Will posted...

Damn, that is cold.

It is always cold in Russia, comrade.

itcheyness posted...

It is always cold in Russia, comrade.

That's not Russia

Russian soliders are threatning to desert.

106th Guards Airborne (VDV) Division Commander Major General Vladimir Seliverstov, 7th VDV Division Commander Major General Alexander Kornev and 90th Tank Division Commander Major General Ramil Ibatullin have already been dismissed. They were dismissed for similar reasons to 58th Combined Arms Army Commander Colonel General Ivan Popov. They genuinely care about the soliders under their command and complained about the frontline conditions such as losing too many soliders and not having enough weapons and supplies.

Ivan Popov in particular actually filed his complaints directly to the current President of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

It all started when Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky quit in January. In January "following a dispute with Gerasimov over the use of VDV forces in human wave attacks which resulted in high losses. While his resignation would not be considered insubordination, a video he later released that aimed to push Putin to replace Gerasimov would have been."
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-troops-threaten-to-desert-disrespect-officers-in-ukraine-isw-2023-7
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-ukraine-isw-1813287

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"And if it doesn't have that bridge infrastructure patching capability that Western Military intelligence 'mirror image projected' upon the Soviet & RuAF for 80(+) years.

What other gaps in Soviet & RuAF capabilities have Western intelligence, civilian & military, missed?

Which returns us all to the same question I asked earlier about Western Intelligence.

What the heck else are they going to miss as badly as of 80 years of not noticing the lack of Russian mechanized logistics or Baley/MGB type bridging capability?"

It was mentioned that the CIA is having difficulty in gathering intelligence. They are in Ukraine and even met Zelensky and spoke to the Russian Spy Chief. But they don't know every operation that Ukraine is planning, they don't know to what extent the cross border attacks and the strikes in Russia has with Zelensky. They don't know what Zelensky or Putin are thinking. The CIA is trying to make sure the scale of the conflict wouldn't escalate. On the official record, Ukraine are not allies of the United States nor is the United States warring with Russia. The CIA isn't allowed to confront Russian soldiers. They are operating under the table and trying to stay out of Russia's crosshairs.
https://www.newsweek.com/2023/07/21/exclusive-cias-blind-spot-about-ukraine-war-1810355.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-spy-chief-says-he-held-ukraine-call-with-cia-head-tass-2023-07-12/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/13/russian-spy-chief-says-he-spoke-to-cia-boss-on-ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/01/world/cia-director-zelensky-meeting-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/cia-director-held-secret-meetings-in-ukraine-in-june-/7162913.html

Im not sure if Western intelligence has missed much. I'm gonna go tin foil hat and say that our economy is tied too tightly with our military and we need a formidable opponent to justify defense contractor spending.
Now that Russia has been exposed, we're focusing all our effort on China.

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You may be thinking of a bunch of spies and intelligence assets of the US that got disappeared in China. Happened before Trump and was due to a turncoat agent.

Xenogears15 posted...

You may be thinking of a bunch of spies and intelligence assets of the US that got disappeared in China. Happened before Trump and was due to a turncoat agent.

He's probably thinking of
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

a russian unit sent desperate videos to family members explaining they are being shoved into the front lines at bakhmut without food or ammo and with a drunk commander and aren't being paid fully or on time. this is after not receiving training and just being thrown into the meat grinder

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-unit-sent-families-video-commander-drunk-bakhmut-ukraine-war-2023-7

russia not having wagner to downplay their losses along with not having their most veteran and seasoned soldiers is fucking them even harder in places with heavy fighting. the ukrainians have everything to fight for and the russians soldiers have no real reason to fight, which continues to compound their morale issues. they can't even supply their frontline troops with food or ammo. absolutely pathetic but definitely good for ukraine. i do feel bad for the russian conscripts that didn't want any part of this war. hopefully they continue to desert and surrender.

edit: also the drunk russian commander responded to complaints of the soldiers not having food or ammo by telling them to "die with honor". definitely taking an old school soviet or hitler or ww1 general approach to just needlessly throwing lives away

andel posted...

a russian unit sent desperate videos to family members explaining they are being shoved into the front lines at bakhmut without food or ammo and with a drunk commander and aren't being paid fully or on time. this is after not receiving training and just being thrown into the meat grinder

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-unit-sent-families-video-commander-drunk-bakhmut-ukraine-war-2023-7

russia not having wagner to downplay their losses along with not having their most veteran and seasoned soldiers is fucking them even harder in places with heavy fighting. the ukrainians have everything to fight for and the russians soldiers have no real reason to fight, which continues to compound their morale issues. they can't even supply their frontline troops with food or ammo. absolutely pathetic but definitely good for ukraine. i do feel bad for the russian conscripts that didn't want any part of this war. hopefully they continue to desert and surrender.

edit: also the drunk russian commander responded to complaints of the soldiers not having food or ammo by telling them to "die with honor". definitely taking an old school soviet or hitler or ww1 general approach to just needlessly throwing lives away

Around 50 mobilized Russian troops in Ukraine sent their families a desperate plea for help in a newly-surfaced video, saying they were brought to the frontlines by a "drunk" commander and given no supplies to survive.

Do they not have guns? There's 50 of them and 1 of him. Seems like the problem has an easy solution. Half can shoot him and the other half can rip up some white shirts for makeshift surrender flags. There, problem solved!

There are rumors going on that Putins Inner Circle may be plotting to depose Putin.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-girkin-plot-wagner-prigozhin-1812669?amp=1

The Invasion plans was a secret where even the Kremlin elites didnt know about it. However Putin and his closest advisors knew. The two men Prigozhin wants them to be captured and presumably tortured till they die. Prigozhin accuses them of lying to Putin which is similar to the movie Downfall, where Adolf Hitler was ranting about how he was being lied to by his advisors.

https://amp.dw.com/en/putins-inner-circle-who-has-the-russian-presidents-ear-on-the-war-in-ukraine/a-61102576

The two members of Putins Inner Circle accused of having the most responsibility for the invasion of Ukraine and influencing Vladimir Putin:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/6/AAe-oZAAEq5K.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/7/AAe-oZAAEq5L.jpg

Not saying that the others are innocent or dont bear some responsibility.

Reference to Putins Inner Circle and how they criticized Putin, blaming him for not handling the invasion well:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60573261
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/vladimir-putin-inner-circle-criticism-ukraine-invasion-1234731835/amp/
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-has-no-plan-in-ukraine-according-to-inner-circle-report-2022-12?amp
https://www.ft.com/content/503fb110-f91e-4bed-b6dc-0d09582dd007
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-predicts-putin-will-eventually-be-killed-by-his-inner-circle/amp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhb4LOGoq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfUW41F0sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InSA0G1RISs

Foppe posted...

https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/we-are-still-trying-to-persuade-putin-not-to-come-mashatile-20230714

TheHorus posted...

Lada Master Race. /s

If you arrest Putin we will nuke you. - Russia, probably.

Guess they want him to come in person instead of doing a Skype call or something.

Sure are stuck in a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation. Wouldnt want to be them.

Foppe posted...

It is like a bad parody.
Yo Putin, South Africa here, we are hosting the BRICS summit, do you want to come?
You do? Nice, bring some vodka with you!
...Yo Putin, it is South Africa again... We got a problem... Since you are a war criminal, we would be forced to arrest you the moment you leave the airplane... I know, I know, you were looking forward to BRICS, but I will be in shit up to my ears if you get here, so why cant you stay home this year?
...why?
You are a war criminal because you invaded Ukraine...
Alright, alright, it is a military operation, but you are still a war criminal, so please dont come.
Stop! What are you doing, Putin? Stap, dont come here!

Update: Putin has decided to not come so he can avoid being arrested for war crimes.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov will attend in Putin's place.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/south-africa-says-putin-will-skip-a-summit-next-18208190.php

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Yeah, they are not letting up the attacks on Odesa. Ukraine is also pressing attacks on Crimea.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66242446
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-military-base-crimea-major-highway-closed-russia-backed-governor-2023-07-19/

Annoying Odesa is an obvious attempt to cripple Ukraine grain exports, as Russia backing out of the previous agreement means all the ports in the sea of Azov are instantly inactive (and occupied anyway).

Seems there's an opportunity here to build a superhighway between Ukraine and Poland, or at least clean up the rail-line mismatch.