Current Events > If Chris Benoit didn't kill his family he would be a footnote in Wrestling.

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cjsdowg 06/27/23 9:12:40 PM #1:	Like I see people all the time complaining that the WWE does not talk about him. However I dont think they would be talking about him if he were alive and did not slowly kill his family. There are a a few people better in the ring, people who had better mic skills, there a ton of people more popular or just as popular. I am not going to discount his skill or anything like that. But there are a lot of skillful ,over guys, that didnt do something horrible and people are not talking about all the time. WWE shouldnt acknowledge him at all. --- "Big Sweaty Otis" -Titus O'Neil <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:974470177] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Like I see people all the time complaining that the WWE does not talk about him. However I dont think they would be talking about him if he were alive and did not slowly kill his family. There are a a few people better in the ring, people who had better mic skills, there a ton of people more popular or just as popular. I am not going to discount his skill or anything like that. But there are a lot of skillful ,over guys, that didnt do something horrible and people are not talking about all the time. WWE shouldnt acknowledge him at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Killmonger 06/27/23 9:14:34 PM #2:	https://youtu.be/imFrzNfbbHQ --- "I will die of cancer before I let another dude finger my a******." - ZeroX91 <cite>Killmonger posted [p:974470223] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/imFrzNfbbHQ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Senta 06/27/23 9:20:57 PM #4:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going. --- http://tinyurl.com/b95dwtg <cite>Senta posted [p:974470339] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starrman4 06/27/23 9:22:13 PM #5:	Owen hart was dead before the fall, its a cover up! --- XBL Gamertag: Starrman4 <cite>Starrman4 posted [p:974470363] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Owen hart was dead before the fall, its a cover up!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 06/27/23 9:26:00 PM #6:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This, TC has no idea what he's talking about. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:974470440] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This, TC has no idea what he's talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TonyKojima 06/27/23 9:28:11 PM #7:	WWE is correct to blacklist him. There is no excuse or defense for what he did. --- Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima <cite>TonyKojima posted [p:974470473] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>WWE is correct to blacklist him. There is no excuse or defense for what he did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate_reaver 06/27/23 9:28:21 PM #8:	I feel like you're making two completely different points and trying to correlate them and you end up just sounding like you have no idea what you're talking about. People loved benoit. in the mid to late 90s in NJPW and WCW he was one of the best wrestlers in the world. when he went to WWE he survived initial attempts to hold him down, and stayed consistently pretty relevant and over Obviously people shouldn't be celebrating or giving him posthumous rewards but what you said has nothing to do with that, you're talking about a hypothetical. And if that hypothetical were true than he would probably be regarded on the same level as someone like Jericho nowadays --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate_reaver posted [p:974470475] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>I feel like you're making two completely different points and trying to correlate them and you end up just sounding like you have no idea what you're talking about. People loved benoit. in the mid to late 90s in NJPW and WCW he was one of the best wrestlers in the world. when he went to WWE he survived initial attempts to hold him down, and stayed consistently pretty relevant and overObviously people shouldn't be celebrating or giving him posthumous rewards but what you said has nothing to do with that, you're talking about a hypothetical. And if that hypothetical were true than he would probably be regarded on the same level as someone like Jericho nowadays</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheHoldSteady 06/27/23 9:30:02 PM #9:	Benoit was an incredible ring worker who could have a great match with anyoneand even if he was around today he'd be a top 5 wrestler at the absolute least --- Don't ask about Charlemagne. <cite>TheHoldSteady posted [p:974470510] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Benoit was an incredible ring worker who could have a great match with anyoneand even if he was around today he'd be a top 5 wrestler at the absolute least</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/27/23 9:37:59 PM #10:	Senta posted... This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going. You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things . --- "Big Sweaty Otis" -Titus O'Neil <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:974470674] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Senta posted... </cite><quote>This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going.</quote>You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Carljank 06/27/23 9:40:24 PM #11:	And so many idiots still think its a good idea to abuse tren. --- Sorry if my posts make you feel emotional. It is not my intent. Make America Nazi-Free Again. #NoMoreNazis #Wolf2 <cite>Carljank posted [p:974470722] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>And so many idiots still think its a good idea to abuse tren. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 06/27/23 9:42:19 PM #12:	A lot of people would probably like him despite hating other people who are nowhere near as awful as him. Benoit had already been abusive to his wife for years at the time of the murder, it's not like he would have just stopped. There's probably never a scenario where we don't have some sort of Benoit Incident, even if it didn't prove to be fatal for anyone. He'd just end up being an example of how much wrestling fans have very selective morality, if you're not a good worker being a bad person is awful but if you are one you can be as shitty as you want and it's all cool. His big career highlight of winning the world title at Wrestlemania would also feel a lot less dramatic in hindsight after seeing Daniel Bryan Danielson and Kofi Kingston both have "underdog/unexpected champion" stories that were a lot more compelling than his. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:974470762] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>A lot of people would probably like him despite hating other people who are nowhere near as awful as him. Benoit had already been abusive to his wife for years at the time of the murder, it's not like he would have just stopped. There's probably never a scenario where we don't have some sort of Benoit Incident, even if it didn't prove to be fatal for anyone. He'd just end up being an example of how much wrestling fans have very selective morality, if you're not a good worker being a bad person is awful but if you are one you can be as shitty as you want and it's all cool.His big career highlight of winning the world title at Wrestlemania would also feel a lot less dramatic in hindsight after seeing Daniel Bryan Danielson and Kofi Kingston both have "underdog/unexpected champion" stories that were a lot more compelling than his.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KrayzieBonezz 06/27/23 9:43:16 PM #13:	cjsdowg posted... You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things . Benoit made me believe in his matches. I still think about his best of 7 with booker on Smackdown, his "things I can do faster than it took to beat Orlando Jordan", his matches with Kurt, the fatal 4 way ladder match on smackdown, wrestlemania 20, and many many more. Dude made most of us in this topic believe. I'm not elevating anyone else to put someone else down in comparisons. Dude was a beast. You have no idea what you're talking about. --- R.I.P Chris, Daniel, Nancy Benoit https://youtu.be/yOL02oq2rj8 <cite>KrayzieBonezz posted [p:974470781] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things .</quote>Benoit made me believe in his matches. I still think about his best of 7 with booker on Smackdown, his "things I can do faster than it took to beat Orlando Jordan", his matches with Kurt, the fatal 4 way ladder match on smackdown, wrestlemania 20, and many many more. Dude made most of us in this topic believe. I'm not elevating anyone else to put someone else down in comparisons. Dude was a beast. You have no idea what you're talking about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PepsiWithCoke 06/27/23 9:43:57 PM #14:	If Benoit had only hung just himself, it would be remembered as a horribly tragic end to one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, he's inducted into the Hall of Fame the next year, the WON award for Best Technical Wrestler is named after him, and the PG Era doesn't happen as we know it. --- https://i.imgur.com/fEKRafh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hgwNfD8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cgQKJhR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0CU0ivF.gifv <cite>PepsiWithCoke posted [p:974470798] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>If Benoit had only hung just himself, it would be remembered as a horribly tragic end to one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, he's inducted into the Hall of Fame the next year, the WON award for Best Technical Wrestler is named after him, and the PG Era doesn't happen as we know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/27/23 9:45:47 PM #15:	KrayzieBonezz posted... Dude was a beast. You have no idea what you're talking about. So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart? --- "Big Sweaty Otis" -Titus O'Neil <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:974470841] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>KrayzieBonezz posted... </cite><quote>Dude was a beast. You have no idea what you're talking about.</quote>So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KrayzieBonezz 06/27/23 9:48:48 PM #16:	cjsdowg posted... So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart? I'm not putting him above or below anyone else because you don't have to put someone down to elevate someone else. I'm saying dude was just as good as people in here have claimed him to be. --- R.I.P Chris, Daniel, Nancy Benoit https://youtu.be/yOL02oq2rj8 <cite>KrayzieBonezz posted [p:974470906] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart?</quote>I'm not putting him above or below anyone else because you don't have to put someone down to elevate someone else. I'm saying dude was just as good as people in here have claimed him to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Priere 06/27/23 9:49:08 PM #17:	Benoit was just a more animated Lance Storm. Think about that --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://i.imgur.com/PmX8smn.gif https://i.imgur.com/mwTy0iF.gif https://i.imgur.com/FCER80e.gif <cite>Priere posted [p:974470913] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Benoit was just a more animated Lance Storm. Think about that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxKrazyChaosxX 06/27/23 9:50:05 PM #18:	Even if the murders never happened at 40 years old his brain resembled that of a 80 year old. If he was alive today he'd probably be in some kind of assisted living facility or dead from the CTE. WWE would probably still distance themselves from him since he would be a reminder that spots they encouraged him and other wrestlers to do lead to or worsen his condition. --- "I woke up at four am by accident in time for the paper to be delivered. Guess what? It's not a kid on a bike, it's a man in a car." - Kevin Malone <cite>XxKrazyChaosxX posted [p:974470934] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Even if the murders never happened at 40 years old his brain resembled that of a 80 year old. If he was alive today he'd probably be in some kind of assisted living facility or dead from the CTE. WWE would probably still distance themselves from him since he would be a reminder that spots they encouraged him and other wrestlers to do lead to or worsen his condition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate_reaver 06/27/23 9:50:29 PM #19:	cjsdowg posted... So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart? I would say Benoit was definitely better than Owen, better than Kurt and not as good as Bret in his prime but overall probably has more great matches than Bret did. But what point are you even making anymore? You're now going out of your way to compare him to some of the best people that ever did it. If anything you're just reinforcing that Benoit was phenomenal and if he didn't commit the murders then he would be remembered very fondly. Also Shamrock is an amazing comparison because he's maybe the exact opposite of Benoit. Shamrock was a very entertaining spectacle who was 90% look and charisma. You wanted to see the the guy get busted open and scream like he's emerging from hell to put someone in an ankle lock. In the ring he got better as he went along but he was never anything super special --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate_reaver posted [p:974470944] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>So Chris was better than Curt Hennig and anyone with the last name of Hart?</quote>I would say Benoit was definitely better than Owen, better than Kurt and not as good as Bret in his prime but overall probably has more great matches than Bret did.But what point are you even making anymore? You're now going out of your way to compare him to some of the best people that ever did it. If anything you're just reinforcing that Benoit was phenomenal and if he didn't commit the murders then he would be remembered very fondly.Also Shamrock is an amazing comparison because he's maybe the exact opposite of Benoit. Shamrock was a very entertaining spectacle who was 90% look and charisma. You wanted to see the the guy get busted open and scream like he's emerging from hell to put someone in an ankle lock. In the ring he got better as he went along but he was never anything super special</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 06/27/23 10:09:38 PM #20:	I didn't even like Chris Benoit but this is a garbage take. If he weren't a murderer he would easily be remembered among guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho. A very skilled wrestler, and probably a HoFer. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:974471374] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>I didn't even like Chris Benoit but this is a garbage take. If he weren't a murderer he would easily be remembered among guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho. A very skilled wrestler, and probably a HoFer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 06/27/23 10:10:26 PM #21:	Senta posted... This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going. --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:974471387] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Senta posted... </cite><quote>This. He was a technical master in the ring, and while his mic skills weren't a big selling point for him, his "quiet viciousness" would have carried him for a good while. Especially with the way gimmicks keep going.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 06/27/23 10:12:35 PM #22:	If he didn't have that disease from brain trauma, yeah --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:974471428] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>If he didn't have that disease from brain trauma, yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Carljank 06/27/23 10:14:56 PM #23:	Arcanine2009 posted... If he didn't have that disease from brain trauma, yeah Or 10 times the normal testosterone level in his blood. --- Sorry if my posts make you feel emotional. It is not my intent. Make America Nazi-Free Again. #NoMoreNazis #Wolf2 <cite>Carljank posted [p:974471479] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Arcanine2009 posted... </cite><quote>If he didn't have that disease from brain trauma, yeah </quote>Or 10 times the normal testosterone level in his blood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 06/27/23 10:26:47 PM #24:	Killmonger posted... https://youtu.be/imFrzNfbbHQ Never saw this before, amazing take on it. That said... If I'm being brutally honest, even as someone who was a massive fan of his before that happened... He would've gotten in the HoF eventually, but that's not really a high bar. Even if that never took place his career was likely over relatively soon after. He would have his fans listing him as one of the greatest still, they just wouldn't be blasted for mentioning it. The same arguments would still happen that do, just without the mention of how his life ended. So in the end, yeah, he'd be a footnote with a following. If anything the sad reality is that how his life ended probably made him more popular than he would've been otherwise due to him just being an easy ticket for a heated discussion. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:974471689] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Killmonger posted... </cite><quote>https://youtu.be/imFrzNfbbHQ</quote>Never saw this before, amazing take on it.That said... If I'm being brutally honest, even as someone who was a massive fan of his before that happened... He would've gotten in the HoF eventually, but that's not really a high bar. Even if that never took place his career was likely over relatively soon after. He would have his fans listing him as one of the greatest still, they just wouldn't be blasted for mentioning it. The same arguments would still happen that do, just without the mention of how his life ended.So in the end, yeah, he'd be a footnote with a following. If anything the sad reality is that how his life ended probably made him more popular than he would've been otherwise due to him just being an easy ticket for a heated discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 06/27/23 10:30:35 PM #25:	Had Benoit's heart exploded earlier that week he'd be a hall of fame and he wouldn't have ended the life of one of his children and ruined the prospects of another. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:974471749] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>Had Benoit's heart exploded earlier that week he'd be a hall of fame and he wouldn't have ended the life of one of his children and ruined the prospects of another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/27/23 10:32:56 PM #26:	The Benoit vs Angle plot is one of the most epic ones in the history of the program. Minus the obvious botched WrestleMania. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:974471791] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>The Benoit vs Angle plot is one of the most epic ones in the history of the program. Minus the obvious botched WrestleMania.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 06/27/23 10:35:34 PM #27:	cjsdowg posted... You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things . If Ken Shamrock stuck around as long as Benoit did maybe he'd be in the conversation too. But he didn't. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:974471828] in If Chris B... [t:80492156]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>You know who that sounds like Ken Shamrock. Like I said Chris was good in the ring no doubt. But him being blacklisted add to what some see in him. The Harts, Dean Malenko, Mr. Perfect were all as good in the ring as him. And all but Malenko was better on the mic and the other things .</quote>If Ken Shamrock stuck around as long as Benoit did maybe he'd be in the conversation too. But he didn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > If Chris Benoit didn't kill his family he would be a footnote in Wrestling. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > If Chris Benoit didn't kill his family he would be a footnote in Wrestling.