Current Events > Do you have any conservative opinions at all?

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I strongly support the death penalty in the case of terrorists, serial killers, mass shooters and sex traffickers and think it should be streamlined and made more cost effective.

I also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

Thats about it, though.

Austerity and personal liberty, if those are still conservative values.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

Is that really a conservative thing, though?

I think that people do respond better to rule under a strong, decisive, singular leader.

...but, said leader has to be nigh-incorruptible in the long term, which is pretty much pure fantasy. So it's a moot point anyway.

Don't overspend? That's more of a personal thing than a "no taxes" thing though

Questionmarktarius posted...

Austerity and personal liberty, if those are still conservative values.

Lmao

I'm a gun owner, some consider that right off the bat a conservative stance. I have livestock, live on a lot of land in the mountains, and various predators attempt to get to my chickens at times during the summer. Plus mountain lions are rare, but live here.

A few

MabusIncarnate posted...

I'm a gun owner, some consider that right off the bat a conservative stance.

They would be wrong.

masterpug53 posted...

I think that people do respond better to rule under a strong, decisive, singular leader.

...but, said leader has to be nigh-incorruptible in the long term, which is pretty much pure fantasy. So it's a moot point anyway.

authoritarian is a different axis

Being a hoe is not a good look and this goes for both men and women. Is that a conservative opinion?

I believe in personal liberty and freedoms, as in the government should not be allowed to tell you how to live your life. However, that is with the strong caveat that you should understand what is for your best interest and the common interest of society at large.

VeggetaX posted...

Is that really a conservative thing, though?

I suppose youre right. On one side, it seems like its literally impossible to joke about transgender people without being crucified by the left, however the same people that would say THESE LIBERALS GET SO OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING would absolutely have the same reaction if a comedian made jokes about the troops or something.

So maybe conservative isnt the right word, but a comedian like Ricky Gervais has my full trust with the context and intent of all his jokes.

More libertarian than anything when it comes to regulatory frameworks. Mainly in regards to licensure regulations. Seems like many regulations and licenses for some jobs (barber, salons, etc) have really bad requirements that end up being used to limit people from entering that occupation.

UndefeatedGOAT posted...

authoritarian is a different axis

Naw, they're right on this one. The whole "different axis" thing is Libertarians trying to justify why they want to do some authoritarian stuff but they're totally not authoritarian. All based on some crappy propaganda from the 70's.

Hence why when you go to the right everything is done in economic terms and when you go to the left it's cultural: unlike terms are used to confuse/conflate the way people view things.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

Is that really a "conservative" view? I feel like most people agree with this, regardless of their political views.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

I mostly agree with this. Some people like to hide their bigotry behind "jokes", so it's not something I take a hard stance on. I don't know that that's necessarily a conservative thing though.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I suppose youre right. On one side, it seems like its literally impossible to joke about transgender people without being crucified by the left, however the same people that would say THESE LIBERALS GET SO OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING would absolutely have the same reaction if a comedian made jokes about the troops or something.

So maybe conservative isnt the right word, but a comedian like Ricky Gervais has my full trust with the context and intent of all his jokes.

The problem with conservatives and guys like Ricky is they arent joking.

Religion is beneficial to society (though I denounce the profaners who use Gods name to justify their prejudice and oppression)

Castle doctrine maybe?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Austerity and personal liberty, if those are still conservative values.

Both of those are so suspect.

Austerity essentially means financing society by squeezing the working class, and personal liberty means my right as a white Christian cultural conservative to have society continue to center around my beliefs and culture only with the force of law and government cracking down on everyone else.

I'm not saying this describes you, but this is what conservatism has become, and only a few former republican "traditional" conservatives seem to be speaking out against it... and those that do are largely getting paid to "both sides" the political discussion on centrist corporate media.

We talking actual conservative values or are we talking Conservative values?

Right to privacy.

As for myself: I have a few "traditional" conservative opinions, like I am appalled at how quickly we allowed big tech, big government, big data to harvest our personal data and sell it to each other.

I'm not a hermit that lives off the grid, but the data harvesting and targeted profiling is nearly inescapable and we just let it happen. Conservatives and libertarians absolutely dropped the ball here as they used to champion this. Now, like everything else they don't care because it's made money for the billionaire elites in the private sector, and they were told it would help target Muslims and illegal immigrants post 9/11.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Austerity and personal liberty, if those are still conservative values.

Austerity only ever applies to the poor.

US Conservatives seem to have jettisoned personal liberty in favour of targeting 'woke corporations', book bans, and healthcare restrictions, so you are likely out of step there.

I'm trying to think of a conservative opinion I hold, just to try and be fair. I'm struggling though. I am vehemently against the death penalty without exception, and I abhor nationalism.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I strongly support the death penalty

Definitely. If just because it doesn't seem right for a murderer to live a full life and get three square meals a day when even homeless people and starving kids in other countries don't. Among other reasons, anyway.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

I don't think that's a conservative thing though. I think you should be allowed to joke about whatever you want, but at the same time you're not free from criticism if people think your jokes are in poor taste. Words should never be free from criticism

For me, I'm a strong advocate for the 2A. I think we should be able to own any kind of weapon, Gatling gun, grenade launcher, javelin, tank, etc. But I do think that we need a better system in buying guns. Like having a tier licensing system. Tier one would be handguns, you have to know how to properly clean and take care of them. You need to have a registered gun safe rated for your gun your purchasing. Extensive background checks, red flag laws, etc. While I think we should be able to own everything, having a system in place to know exactly who you are is required as well. Fuck this "my right to bare arms shall not be infringed!", Nonsense.

Torgo posted...

Right to privacy.

As for myself: I have a few "traditional" conservative opinions, like I am appalled at how quickly we allowed big tech, big government, big data to harvest our personal data and sell it to each other.

I'm not a hermit that lives off the grid, but the data harvesting and targeted profiling is nearly inescapable and we just let it happen. Conservatives and libertarians absolutely dropped the ball here as they used to champion this. Now, like everything else they don't care because it's made money for the billionaire elites in the private sector, and they were told it would help target Muslims and illegal immigrants post 9/11.

Can we even call that a conservative value when the Patriot Act was signed under Dubya?

Do you mean actual conservative beliefs or "American conservative" beliefs?

A few traditional ones but none under Modern Post-Trump Conservatism.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Do you mean actual conservative beliefs or "American conservative" beliefs?

This

But I'm sure there is something economy-wise or whatever that would be considered "conservative".

SaikyoStyle posted...

The problem with conservatives and guys like Ricky is they arent joking.

I cant speak for conservatives but I can trust that Ricky Gervais and other similar liberal comedians truly are joking and are simply examining transgender culture comedically. If we take his jokes about transgender people at face value and think hes just making factual statements, then that means we need to do the same with all the other ridiculous and silly things hes said for comedic effect. Hes said, on paper, horrible things about so many facets of society, but I can trust that hes just examining the topic and making humorous observations and slipping in some misdirections to mess with the audience. Its all a performance and he plays whatever persona he needs to so the joke has the best delivery.

I don't know if it's a conservative belief: I acknowledge the systemic impact and potential impediments that can put us to a specific place in life, BUT I think there's an important facet of improving yourself and doing what you can within those limitations, or pushing the boundaries that is important. Basically, having a factor that makes your life harder is going to always be there, it doesn't mean that you get to say there's no point and you're not going to try.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

Ricky Gervais and other similar liberal comedians truly are joking and are simply examining transgender culture comedically

The extent of Gervais's "examining transgender culture" is him saying that "new women have cocks and beards". And ranting about bathrooms.

Seems to me there's more to my culture and community that can be examined and joked about than our genitals and which bathrooms we use, but the person making jokes would actually have to know something about the culture in the first place to make any really clever jokes about it.

He's not saying anything remotely meaningful or making any groundbreaking commentary

The extent of Gervais's "examining transgender culture" is him saying that "new women have cocks and beards".

He was making a joke about how in modern transgender culture you dont necessarily need to change anything about your physical appearance and can simply identify as a woman and thats that.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

I also think its okay to joke about literally anything with the right context and intent, especially in stand-up comedy.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

it seems like its literally impossible to joke about transgender people without being crucified by the left

EmilyTheCEman posted...

a comedian like Ricky Gervais has my full trust with the context and intent of all his jokes.

Oh so THAT'S what this topic is actually about

Tagging appropriately

TMOG posted...

Oh so THAT'S what this topic is actually about

Tagging appropriately

So youre proving my point? I just used Ricky Gervais as a random example of a comedian who got in trouble for his jokes. I could choose another example if youd like.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

The extent of Gervais's "examining transgender culture" is him saying that "new women have cocks and beards".

He was making a joke about how in modern transgender culture you dont necessarily need to change anything about your physical appearance and can simply identify as a woman and thats that.

Yikes, yeah now it's crystal clear

EmilyTheCEman posted...

So youre proving my point? I just used Ricky Gervais as a random example of a comedian who got in trouble for his jokes. I could choose another example if youd like.

Does this other example happen to rhyme with Blave Blappelle?

Also, in case anybody else still had doubts

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Yikes, yeah now it's crystal clear

Me explaining the context and intent of the joke he was making means I have a transphobic agenda?

Does this other example happen to rhyme with Blave Blappelle?

Uhno? I could use Pete Davidsons Dan Crenshaw joke if youd like.

warlock7735 posted...

I don't know if it's a conservative belief: I acknowledge the systemic impact and potential impediments that can put us to a specific place in life, BUT I think there's an important facet of improving yourself and doing what you can within those limitations, or pushing the boundaries that is important. Basically, having a factor that makes your life harder is going to always be there, it doesn't mean that you get to say there's no point and you're not going to try.

The idea that it's good to seek personal improvement and be the best version of oneself I don't think is specifically a liberal or conservative thing. The difference I see is conservative thinking focusing on the individual only while liberal thinking says there should also be collective social improvement to remove as many of those systemic impediments as possible and make things more fair.

Conservatives it seems often view existing social systems as just being the natural order and not something that was made by people and could be remade if we chose to do so.

TMOG posted...

Oh so THAT'S what this topic is actually about

Tagging appropriately

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Most people in America can be / could have been successful if they wanted to be. The #1 factor making people unsuccessful is themselves

Obviously it's unfair depending on your family but Literally bootstraps

WizardPowers posted...

Most people in America can be / could have been successful if they wanted to be. The #1 factor making people unsuccessful is themselves

Obviously it's unfair depending on your family but Literally bootstraps

Actually this might be one of mine, I do think that we control our own destiny to a certain extent. Right now I could be an absolutely shredded gigachad if I get to the gym every day, but I like eating and not moving too much.

WizardPowers posted...

Most people in America can be / could have been successful if they wanted to be. The #1 factor making people unsuccessful is themselves

Obviously it's unfair depending on your family but Literally bootstraps

surely there could be more, but its a world of limited resources

WizardPowers posted...

Most people in America can be / could have been successful if they wanted to be. The #1 factor making people unsuccessful is themselves

There's some degree of truth to this, but people have zero control over the most important developmental years of their life. There's no reality based reasoning to go that far

Wasn't expecting the good ol' "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense.

I'm a firm believer in the second amendment and I also support the death penalty for murderers.

WizardPowers posted...

Most people in America can be / could have been successful if they wanted to be. The #1 factor making people unsuccessful is themselves

Obviously it's unfair depending on your family but Literally bootstraps

The jobs poor people do still have to get done. I guess how much I'd agree with this depends on whether you're trying to say anyone can be successful or everyone can be successful.

Sandalorn posted...

Wasn't expecting the good ol' "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense.

Pretty sure dude was joking. And then TC wasn't. This topic is getting... Rough