Poll of the Day > Any of you here believe that on avg. american cops are the worst?

(+) Yeah! (+)

in the industrialized world? or maybe you believe it could be for all countries industrialized or not

No, but that doesn't mean they aren't inexcusably bad.

I cant be seen speaking to them

I was the one that had to call 911 last night because there were TWO fentanyl ODs in the same parking lot near where I like to go smoke

911 operator asked if I would stay there until responders arrived and I was like NOPE I dont know these people I have no information to give about this I am walking home buh-bye

adjl posted...

No, but that doesn't mean they aren't inexcusably bad.

which industrialized countries are worse, though?

That depends on... what you consider industrialized; cuz the cops in Brazil are far far far worse

Lokarin posted...

That depends on... what you consider industrialized; cuz the cops in Brazil are far far far worse

oh, brazils' are really bad? have not heard much about this

Most I can say for certain, is the US probably has the most visually present bad cops.

GranTurismo posted...

oh, brazils' are really bad? have not heard much about this

Brazil is pretty much a military dictatorship.

Worst? No. Embarrassingly bad? Absolutely. Absolutely no good reason we should be hearing about people being murdered by cops all the time.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Most I can say for certain, is the US probably has the most visually present bad cops.

I'd assumed that the US had among the most cops by capita but they're actually near the problem. Maybe its how they're disproportionately distributed around the country? Or the prevalence of copaganda on television? It feels like they're everywhere.

They're definitely the worst that most Americans have ever encountered.

GranTurismo posted...

which industrialized countries are worse, though?

Cops in places like Russia will stop and randomly abduct people, usually women, just to torture them for fun.

When the list has entries like that, America doesn't even crack the top 100.

But also cops are a weird position.
Police are government employees empowered with rights the rest of us don't have and their job is to protect the government and it's laws and institutions from people in the country.
The military has the same job, but they protect from other governments instead.

Police aren't actually there to help you as a civilian. At best, your a source of money for them. Your property and your life do not actually matter beyond the cost of damages.
It's a little weird, but civilians don't actually have any advocates in current society. We have to protect each other from each other and from the police.

I can't comment on cops in other countries, but I can write a novel on the terrible experiences I've had with US cops

When we were fifteen, a cop arrested my brother for skateboarding on public property. He locked him in the back of his patrol vehicle for over an hour in the summer without the air going. He then tried to extort money directly from my parents to make the crime go away. My parents knowing it was a minor and a trivial misdemeanor said they'd take their chances in court. Which was good because the case never made it to court, because the cop in question was arrested for extortion.
https://archive.triblive.com/news/officer-charged-with-holding-onto-fine-payments/

Also when I was fifteen, I was arrested along with several others at a house party for underage drinking. We all got not guilty, because the cops didn't show up to court to testify. The reason they didn't show up? Because the mom of one of the fifteen year old girls was planning on presenting charges since the officers did a full cavity search on the teen girl yet didn't check anyone else's pockets or anything.

Once I was driving with medical cannabis in my car. Cop pulls me over, I hadn't smoked or anything. He accused me of it though, so he took me to get a blood test at the hospital. Of course I had weed in my system, I'm an epileptic with medical cannabis. He charges me with a Dui. I accept Ard, because if you don't and you're found guilty, it's a year long license revocation and 30 days in jail guarantee.

Last winter I picked up my girlfriend from work. On the way through the city, a teen stops us in the middle of the street, and then a bunch of his friends surround the car and start beating on it. My girlfriend, seeing a cop car sitting right there decides to get out and yell at the kids, thinking it was safe with the cop there. It wasn't, one kid grabbed her hair and started beating on her. So I separated them, ran to the cops window and banged on it and yelled do your freaking job. So he comes out, arrests the kid who punched my gf. Then I took a punch to the jaw from another teen. Some other cops finally show, kids scatter, they let them get away and then ask if we want to press charges. We said yes but that's gonna be difficult when you let them all get away. Eight months later still haven't heard a peep about the case

I'm sure there are worse cops in some really scary countries where the government has complete control, but ours certainly deserve their bad reputation.

Not the worst, but American cops are trained to distrust everyone but their own brothers, whom they will lie in court for, knowing full well the severity of what theyve done.

SinisterSlay posted...

Cops in places like Russia will stop and randomly abduct people, usually women, just to torture them for fun.

US police do this too lmfao naive

They are the worst from a western Democrat country, but not the worst from industrialized countries

not at all bad cops in the us make good press to distract and divide americans

Most countries have between 1 and 3 police forces for their whole country... america has around 10'000

I don't personally know anyone who's ever had a positive interaction with an LEO, including myself. It seems like everyone I talk to has at least one story about the cops being completely ineffectual or downright terrible.

And for some reason, the darker somebody's skin is, the more stories they have about having terrible experiences of being harassed by cops.

If there are worse cops out there in a first world country, that's honestly fucking terrifying.

I'm guessing the cops in China, North Korea, Russia, and Brazil are probably a lot worse than ours

Jen0125 posted...

US police do this too lmfao naive

At least in the US that behaviour is actually illegal.

SinisterSlay posted...

At least in the US that behaviour is actually illegal.

Do you think the laws stop police?? Like I said. Naive.

Jen0125 posted...

Do you think the laws stop police?? Like I said. Naive.

how many times have you personally been attacked by a cop

Jen0125 posted...

Do you think the laws stop police?? Like I said. Naive.

According to the definition found in the California Penal Code, Los Angeles Sheriffs Department
has harbored 18 criminal gangs inside its ranks since 1980.
This is just the members who have sworn under oath that they exist.

Police hold the largest number of gangs in the US.

shadowsword87 posted...

According to the definition found in the California Penal Code, Los Angeles Sheriffs Department
has harbored 18 criminal gangs inside its ranks since 1980.
This is just the members who have sworn under oath that they exist.

Police hold the largest number of gangs in the US.

That's also just the gangs. There are other criminals with nothing to do with those gangs, like the child molester who lived down the street from me when I was little, and the other officers of LA's sheriff dept. did nothing about it for a decade or longer. That is one case in a single county in goodness-knows-how-many counties in the US.

Let's also not forget, in the same valley this had taken place, during the BLM protests in 2020, a young, black man was hung from a tree and the cops ruled it a suicide at the scene (um, no, I highly doubt it).

Has it gotten any better over there? Well, two weeks ago, a man outside of WinCo Foods in Lancaster was arrested for no legitimate reason, and it was forceful as the video showed. The video also showed his wife trying to record her own footage before one of the officers demanded she stop, and tackled her and threw her on the ground; they arrested her as well. All of this was caught by someone else who hid in the parking lot. Guess what? The couple was also black.

Thugs in uniform. They do shit like this on the regular, all across the country. My stepdad was one of the last "good ones" before he retired.

potdnewb posted...

how many times have you personally been attacked by a cop

Do I need to be attacked by a police officer to recognize American police are violent criminals? Or should I just be ignorant to it?

I personally have no trouble with them, though Im also use to being around them quite often

My BF had one harass him a bunch, though It was the same guy, too I have no idea why he hated my BF

Jen0125 posted...

Do I need to be attacked by a police officer to recognize American police are violent criminals? Or should I just be ignorant to it?

there are violent criminals among all groups that does not mean that all members of that group are violent criminals your entire narrative is the same as the racist narrative and that is more dangerous than some bad cops

potdnewb posted...

there are violent criminals among all groups that does not mean that all members of that group are violent criminals your entire narrative is the same as the racist narrative and that is more dangerous than some bad cops

I believe you have been told several times to stop posting

potdnewb posted...

there are violent criminals among all groups that does not mean that all members of that group are violent criminals your entire narrative is the same as the racist narrative and that is more dangerous than some bad cops

You think it's okay we shield violent criminals within our police force? They're supposed to be above that ethically? They're LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Jen0125 posted...

You think it's okay we shield violent criminals within our police force? They're supposed to be above that ethically? They're LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I never said that but claiming all cops are bad is dangerous

I don't know how you could have trust in an organization that has literal gang members and no oversight.

It's not hard to find, even minor, cases of cops overreaching and beating people for no reason. Just ask around, ask someone black.

potdnewb posted...

I never said that but claiming all cops are bad is dangerous

Where did I claim that?

It's far safer to assume all cops are dangerous. Maybe all polar bears aren't dangerous, but I'm not taking my chances.

Jen0125 posted...

Where did I claim that?

that has been the point of all your cop rants dont deny it

No but they don't call them road pirates for nothing

They're pretty awful overall, but as said, there're plenty worse. Still, they're probably among some pretty bad company.

potdnewb posted...

that has been the point of all your cop rants dont deny it

I think you need to rework your reading comprehension. What Jen said, and I am paraphrasing, was that these arguments for police in other countries being worse, because they do X, Y, or Z, are a bad argument, because the officers here in the US do, in fact, do X, Y, and Z. I'm failing to see where, in Jen's comments, she said every cop in the US does this. I'm seeing only that our law enforcement, in general, not in terms of every last officer, is guilty of some terrible shit, much of it illegal.

potdnewb posted...

there are violent criminals among all groups that does not mean that all members of that group are violent criminals your entire narrative is the same as the racist narrative and that is more dangerous than some bad cops

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/7/AAJZo1AAEoyz.jpg
Yeah there are bad people in any group that gets large enough. When those bad people are exposed, are they removed from the group and shamed for their misdeeds? Or are they hidden and protected by a corrupt system? I'll save you the thinking and just let you know that it's the second one with cops. Every time.

That's why they're all bad and your worldview is painfully naive.

I always get a chuckle when people ask "What were the police like in your home town?" and I can respond "My home town doesn't have a police force". If you have to "call the police", you have to wait for the cops the next town over to get there which could take upwards of an hour to get there. And because of that we actually have one of the lowest crime rates in the country, LOL!

Whargarble posted...

That's why they're all bad

I think views like this are pretty stupid, tbh

Entity13 posted...

I think you need to rework your reading comprehension. What Jen said, and I am paraphrasing, was that these arguments for police in other countries being worse, because they do X, Y, or Z, are a bad argument, because the officers here in the US do, in fact, do X, Y, and Z. I'm failing to see where, in Jen's comments, she said every cop in the US does this. I'm seeing only that our law enforcement, in general, not in terms of every last officer, is guilty of some terrible shit, much of it illegal.

i guess you missed all of her acab posts

LinkPizza posted...

I think views like this are pretty stupid, tbh

that is what I'm saying plus plenty of cops get jailed or at least fired for misconduct but its rarely reported because it doesnt fit the news narrative

potdnewb posted...

that is what I'm saying plus plenty of cops get jailed or at least fired for misconduct but its rarely reported because it doesnt fit the news narrative

There was that cop who got beaten to death by other cops for reporting sexual misconduct I guess which is close

potdnewb posted...

that has been the point of all your cop rants dont deny it

Can you quote where I said it?

I do believe ACAB but it's not because all cops are violent. It's because the system they perpetuate and support is violent so why would they want to be a part of it?

Whargarble posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/7/AAJZo1AAEoyz.jpg
Yeah there are bad people in any group that gets large enough. When those bad people are exposed, are they removed from the group and shamed for their misdeeds? Or are they hidden and protected by a corrupt system? I'll save you the thinking and just let you know that it's the second one with cops. Every time.

That's why they're all bad and your worldview is painfully naive.

And this

Blightzkrieg posted...

There was that cop who got beaten to death by other cops for reporting sexual misconduct I guess which is close

Reminds me:
https://www.insideedition.com/former-memphis-homicide-detective-who-criticized-cops-over-tyre-nichols-death-is-found-dead-outside?amp

Jen0125 posted...

I do believe ACAB but it's not because all cops are violent. It's because the system they perpetuate and support is violent so why would they want to be a part of it?

Lots of reasons. One reason could be trying to change it. Hard to change it when nobody on the inside is working on it. Some actually try to help the community, as well Its also better to have at least some good cops instead of all the good cops leaving and having only the bad cops still in. Which would make things much worse Those are just a few

I find that most 'good' cops are complacent and don't do shit about the bad cops in their department and actively protect them.

potdnewb posted...

i guess you missed all of her acab posts

that is what I'm saying plus plenty of cops get jailed or at least fired for misconduct but its rarely reported because it doesnt fit the news narrative

yeah and then there are the thousands of knobs that don't get fired for misconduct

if you think that's a 'narrative' as opposed to reality, that's nice.