Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 406: At the Stroke of Mitchnight

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Obellisk posted...

Biden spent 8 years making laughing memes with Obama. Haven't seen a single meme for Kamala laughing with Biden.

failure.

Maybe she's just less funny than Obama was

She's a cop, of course she isn't funny

I've seen the anonymous murmurs that the Biden team is disappointed with Harris, and that she has shied away from the national spotlight because she isn't really up for this. If that's the case, I really hope she doesn't run in 2028 just because "it's her time," because we've all seen how that goes.

There's not a lot of great choices to replace Kamala tbh. It'd look really bad if he chose a man to replace her. And I'm not sure there are that many good male candidates anyway. It feels like the Democratic party simply hasn't built any stars, and the ones they have in the waiting would be better off serving longer in congress and/or have no chance of winning the nomination because the party hates progressives. We need someone with the charisma of Obama that the establishment doesn't hate, and I don't think we have that anywhere. If we did, I don't think Biden or Hillary would've been our candidates in 2016 and 2020.

Seanchan posted...

Shes a VP. Who the fuck is ever paying attention to what the VP is doing, historically?

Joe famously expressed support for gay marriage before Obama, and there are reports it forced him to take a stand for it.

Dancedreamer posted...

There's not a lot of great choices to replace Kamala tbh. It'd look really bad if he chose a man to replace her. And I'm not sure there are that many good male candidates anyway. It feels like the Democratic party simply hasn't built any stars, and the ones they have in the waiting would be better off serving longer in congress and/or have no chance of winning the nomination because the party hates progressives. We need someone with the charisma of Obama that the establishment doesn't hate, and I don't think we have that anywhere. If we did, I don't think Biden or Hillary would've been our candidates in 2016 and 2020.

Gretchen Whitmer is a slam dunk, tbh.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

We had the largest poverty rate increase ever from 2021-2022.

Is this not just because everyone got like $2k from the government in 2021?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Joe famously expressed support for gay marriage before Obama, and there are reports it forced him to take a stand for it.

This was an exception for VP's and very much not the norm.

Also depending on the story it may have actually been an accident that couldn't be taken back.

Kenri posted...

Is this not just because everyone got like $2k from the government in 2021?

Dont let things like logic get in the way of the nasty chyrons people will see on CNN or Fox.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Gretchen Whitmer is a slam dunk, tbh.

I would be more excited to vote for big Gretch than i would be to vote for Biden, for sure

Kenri posted...

Is this not just because everyone got like $2k from the government in 2021?

Also Manchin refusing to renew the Child Tax Credit.

But yeah, standing by my Biden odds for now. As for VPs, Biden replacing Harris would be such an own goal regardless of our actual feelings about her. Even for Whitmer you're getting the ~optics~ of switching from a black woman to a white woman. It's just needlessly causing problems with a vital component of the base. And I say that as someone who has repeatedly been high on Whitmer's future - but the path for her would be to run in 2028 (against Harris if necessary), not becoming Biden's VP.

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1702039672409498033

Faith in humanity lost. It's over. Let climate change wipe us out, an asteroid or whatever.

I don't think the former means much just because of how it's phrased. Virtually all Trump voters will be yes, no while plenty of Biden voters will say yes, yes or no, no. Might be more meaningful if it just asked about the ages without giving candidate names.

The latter poll is what makes me think this world would be better off without humanity as a whole.

Yeah second poll is much worse

Aren't Twitter polls blue checkmark exclusive now? There's no poll I trust on that site anymore.

Umbreon posted...

Aren't Twitter polls blue checkmark exclusive now? There's no poll I trust on that site anymore.

The linked tweet specifically says both polls were run by Quinnipiac, not twitter polls.

Guess Biden should start handling national security by getting a Big Mac, golfing and selling US secrets to get those numbers up

Wow, I can't believe that after years of everyone bitching about how Biden's too old, everyone thinks Biden is too old and not a competent president. Interesting! I have absolutely no idea what people people are seeing in these polls that they didn't expect to see.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Wow, I can't believe that after years of everyone bitching about how Biden's too old, everyone thinks Biden is too old and not a competent president. Interesting! I have absolutely no idea what people people are seeing in these polls that they didn't expect to see.

Every now and then someone comes in and posts a poll from one source, from a limited audience, without context, and then uses it to act like the sky is falling.

KamikazePotato posted...

Every now and then someone comes in and posts a poll from one source, from a limited audience, without context, and then uses it to act like the sky is falling.

Besides that - I'm just sort of exhausted because I feel sometimes like I'm the only one who's annoyed by the "Biden is too old" shit, but then suddenly this poll comes out and everyone's like, I can't believe Biden is too old? Motherfuckers that's what YOU (collectively) believe

I think the issue is that the poll suggests people believe Biden is too old but not Trump when they are practically the same age.

FoolFantastic posted...

I think the issue is that the poll suggests people believe Biden is too old but not Trump when they are practically the same age.

Yeah but that's just Trump voters, you expect them to be consistent?

Yeah a poll like this that split results by party line is worthless. I mean, it's still worthless, but even MORE so.

Pulling numbers out of my ass, it probably went like:

Dems: 60-40 think Biden is too old
Repubs: 90-10 think Biden is too old

Dems: 60-40 think Trump is too old
Repubs: 90-10 think Trump ISN'T too old

Paratroopa1 posted...

Wow, I can't believe that after years of everyone bitching about how Biden's too old, everyone thinks Biden is too old and not a competent president. Interesting! I have absolutely no idea what people people are seeing in these polls that they didn't expect to see.

The "too old" poll is of no interest to me.

Better job responding to a national crisis: Trump 51% Biden 44%

This one is absolutely fucking comedic in the "if I don't laugh about it I'm going to fucking cry because wtf" sense though.

We've seen how Donald Trump handles a national crisis as president (And I would say it played a significant role in him not getting reelected in 2020). And 51% of voters are literally, in 2023, like "Hm, yes, more of that please"

Reg posted...

The linked tweet specifically says both polls were run by Quinnipiac, not twitter polls.

Oh.

Oh dear.

But man, thinking Trump would do better in a national crisis? Even putting aside the million plus Americans dead from Covid, he couldn't even handle Charlottsville correctly with his extremely delayed scripted respond, followed by him telling the world how he really felt.

Covid was literally the only national crisis he own faced not of his own making and he horribly botched it (with the exception of operation warpspeed)

Joe Biden LOOKS and acts old.

Trump just acts crazy.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Joe Biden LOOKS and acts old.

Trump just acts crazy.

Trump sure as hell doesn't look young.

"Surveys adhere to industry best practices and are based on random samples of adults using random digit dialing with live interviewers calling landlines and cell phones."

i am always slightly wary of phone polling like this because it relies on getting answers from people who answer calls from unknown numbers

I think I agree Trump would probably be better at handling a crisis, but he's also vastly more likely than Biden to cause a crisis.

Trump literally did the same thing as Vice Admiral Holdo from The Last Jedi where he pretended not to have a plan for dealing with the pandemic when he did.

This is really stupid, but the fact that Trump dyes his hair (though I guess he doesnt do it as reliably as he used to) is probably responsible for a lot of that difference.

White hair guy: Look at this old man.

Guy with obviously dyed hair: Looks fit and able to me!

Meanwhile on more than a very superficial inspection these days Trump looks like he is melting at all times.

If you count Covid as a national crisis weve already seen how terribly Trump handled it. He wouldnt handle any other crisis better either imo, but its significantly more likely hed cause any other non-pandemic crisis anyways

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Trump literally did the same thing as Vice Admiral Holdo from The Last Jedi where he pretended not to have a plan for dealing with the pandemic when he did.

He gave daily press conferences. Are you sure you don't mean that he did the opposite - pretend to have a plan when he didn't?

He took the pandemic seriously behind closed doors but danced around it in public.

swordz9 posted...

If you count Covid as a national crisis weve already seen how terribly Trump handled it. He wouldnt handle any other crisis better either imo, but its significantly more likely hed cause any other non-pandemic crisis anyways

I don't think Trump voters think about a pandemic first when they think of a national crisis. And I think a lot of it is just people being skeptical about Biden's age. If Biden actually ran against Trump he'd probably just get a ton of votes for not being Trump again.

swordz9 posted...

If you count Covid as a national crisis weve already seen how terribly Trump handled it. He wouldnt handle any other crisis better either imo, but its significantly more likely hed cause any other non-pandemic crisis anyways

The misinformation on COVID pretty much won.

The general public has a really warped view on the pandemic.

I guess this is throwing a monkey wrench into my whole idea of Trump's controversy lingering, but I find it at least as easy to believe people are just really down on Biden and that whoever is the Democratic nominee has a good chance of winning the next election just by virtue of not being Trump. And tbf now the whole deal about Trump's attempts to subvert democracy are probably taking precedence in the public over his poor response to the pandemic, and in a sense I'm willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt there just because America would have been hit badly no matter what. Doesn't excuse all his other BS though, like disbanding the White House's pandemic response team because he didn't want people sitting around twiddling their thumbs, dismissing it as a "blue state" problem for the longest time just because that's where it hit hardest initially (making it clear he doesn't care about the lives of people who won't vote for him), and then dancing around the pandemic in public.

I don't know why you wouldn't count COVID as a national crisis unless it's exclusively being placed as an international crisis.

Its not a national crisis if its fake!

Trump handled the COVID crisis quite well in many ways. Namely, the very high level of economic support that allowed people to socially distance without going bankrupt.

I daresay Biden could not get Congress to approve anything close to the funding Congress approved in 2020 for pandemic relief. The Republicans would just say no and blame Biden.

It must be so embarrassing to be one of Boebert's kids

HeroicCrono posted...

Trump handled the COVID crisis quite well in many ways. Namely, the very high level of economic support that allowed people to socially distance without going bankrupt.

I dont think he should really be credited with this. The people needed it and then damn near every Conservative acted like the general population got enough money to save and live off it without having to do anything for 1-2 years when most people ran out of the money immediately paying for living expenses. They acted like everyone was mooching off the government the way they act like other benefits are being used by lazy people who just dont want to work

I found out in the past few days there are people who still insist that Zoe Quinn was sleeping around with people in return for positive press coverage for Depression Quest and that Gamergate was right as a result...ignoring that Quinn was only accused of sleeping with one guy for a positive review and then no review was even found. The things people will delude themselves into thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUbp68V3mhM

Lms, there are lots of losers who believe lots of stupid things. None of them are worth taking seriously or thinking about further. You will rot your brain.

Yeah I had to look up to make sure the information was correct. Also in light of the recent "controversy" surrounding Rotten Tomatoes people are acting like it's proof that Disney was bribing critics all along when nothing even remotely like that was brought up, which is why I brought up the whole thing about Gamergate. In fact RT itself seems to be largely blameless and it's mostly the culture that has built around it which is awfully easy to game, which frankly I already knew.

If Gamergate is apparently the only thing standing against unethical journalism, I'll take unethical journalism. Not to mention it's interesting how pro-GG people seem to be primarily concerned with "identity politics" over any kinds of other problems with ethics in journalism (e.g. the fact Rotten Tomatoes is owned by Universal's parent Comcast and that WB also has a minority stake in RT, representing massive conflicts of interest given both those studios are obviously in the business of making movies themselves). Then again I'm also learning how willfully ignorant people like these are and that not everyone is a Doug Walker or Mike Nelson who will apologize for saying something that rubs people the wrong way.

a bit late for that