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RyukSan posted...

Which is why I await actual substantiated proof there's anything to this hearing beyond, "just believe."

Not topics, articles and sources that amount to same noise as other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that demand the public just believe because grifters know how to keep peoples attention or someones favorite mouthpiece believes.

There's nothing wrong with posting topics of actual current events happening within Congress though. Topics like a hearing megathread or news of some new development. A mouthpiece article can be considered useless, sure. It's like the "What Trump's indictment means for 2024" articles. I'm talking ACTUAL events.

I find it bizarre that people think Grusch is lying. We already saw what happened to Snowden if you don't pursue a legal pathway to disclosing top secret information. Taking this to congress makes perfect sense to me.

It's possible that Grusch was purposely fed misinformation, but at this point I could see it going either way

Sub_Tank posted...

I find it bizarre that people think Grusch is lying.

Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not bizarre at all people want proof before just believing wild claims.

asdf8562 posted...

Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not bizarre at all people want proof before just believing wild claims.

While us peons don't have this "proof", Grusch and his mystery squad were questioned by Senate which directly contributed to the bumrush of the UAP Disclosure amendment through Senate. That's an important factor that's forgotten often. It passed Senate with 86 yes votes too.

starting to think TC works for the government and is helping to spread the gaslighting with how dedicated he is to spamming this crap

AceMos posted...

starting to think TC works for the government and is helping to spread the gaslighting with how dedicated he is to spamming this crap

boy you are a conspiracist aren't you?

WingsOfGood posted...

boy you are a conspiracist aren't you?

pot meet kettle

this site's bread and circuses game is insane

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AceMos posted...

pot meet kettle

you just said:

AceMos posted...

starting to think TC works for the government and is helping to spread the gaslighting

You are the whole pot and the kettle

Governments do disinformation all the time.
People lie to congress all the time.
Aliens don't visit all the time.

hmm..

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Do you really think the government could hide real space UFOs when they cant even hide their own scandals?

The most this could ever be, giving it the slightest benefit of the doubt, is some tech from another country crashing into US territory and they held onto it.

_____Cait posted...

Do you really think the government could hide real space UFOs when they cant even hide their own scandals?

The most this could ever be, giving it the slightest benefit of the doubt, is some tech from another country crashing into US territory and they held onto it.

IF this is anything at all its more likely american miltary tech crashing same as rosewell was

_____Cait posted...

Do you really think the government could hide real space UFOs when they cant even hide their own scandals?

They can hide their own scandals though. They're doing it right now, with this, and it's working.

flussence posted...

They can hide their own scandals though. They're doing it right now, with this, and it's working.

So what are they hiding using UAP stories?

wild goose chase is pretty accurate but distraction for the gullible is even more so.

VFalcone posted...

While us peons don't have this "proof", Grusch and his mystery squad were questioned by Senate which directly contributed to the bumrush of the UAP Disclosure amendment through Senate. That's an important factor that's forgotten often. It passed Senate with 86 yes votes too.

So... no proof then...

"We should just believe Grusch or the Senate" is absolutely no reason anyone should just believe he isn't lying about his extraordinary claim.

For the life of me why you keep toting around Grusch or the Senate or any specific individual in the Senate you like as if it should make someone believe an extraordinary claim, then being confused why someone would dare not to just believe, is beyond me. Although it does explain the sorry state of the country in just believing things.

It's not bizarre at all people want proof before just believing wild claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Same to an extraordinary claim demanding everyone to entertain an investigation. Why does people think he's lying.

So that other user wondered why anyone would think Grusch is lying. That is why.

Its mind boggling how some folks are totally missing the forest for the trees about all this. The hearing was not about proving aliens exist. There are private military contractors who are obstructing congress from oversight, siphoning tax payer dollars, as well as military officials refusing to turn over data to the appropriate authorities and a host of other alleged wrong doings, including threats and murder accusations. The intelligence community Inspector General has found these claims credible and is investigating, as well as the Senate taking it seriously as well. Its a bipartisan effort. This has absolutely nothing to do with UFO grifters like Steven Greer or Mick West, et al.

Theres also been issues of pilot safety, with active duty top gun fighters who have had near collisions with UAP. They had legitimate anger there with respect to sweeping this stuff under the rug or potential career damage because theres so much negative stigma surrounding anything to do with UAP and complete lack of any infrastructure to address such problems. This has been years in the making to get slow progress on these fronts.

Another "alien" topic. How dumb is this board?

masterbarf posted...

Another "alien" topic. How dumb is this board?

thank you for your post

Given that humans belt broadcasts that say "we're here" into space for some time now, should we really be surprised that something picked it up?

I don't have a ton of input here but I think it is worth noting that the government gaslit & lied to the public about "Havana Syndrome" for like 3 years even though it isn't real and no evidence of it exists beyond the testimonies of people who effectively describe gangstalking or other mental illnesses

I could believe the claimant is lying for sure

How has this topic gotten this big

DementedDurian posted...

Given that humans belt broadcasts that say "we're here" into space for some time now, should we really be surprised that something picked it up?

The broadcasts' reach is just a sliver of the Milky Way, I'd be extremely surprised if anything has caught it yet

asdf8562 posted...

So... no proof then...

"We should just believe Grusch or the Senate" is absolutely no reason anyone should just believe he isn't lying about his extraordinary claim.

For the life of me why you keep toting around Grusch or the Senate or any specific individual in the Senate you like as if it should make someone believe an extraordinary claim, then being confused why someone would dare not to just believe, is beyond me. Although it does explain the sorry state of the country in just believing things.

It's not bizarre at all people want proof before just believing wild claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Same to an extraordinary claim demanding everyone to entertain an investigation. Why does people think he's lying.

So that other user wondered why anyone would think Grusch is lying. That is why.

What the hell do you want then, man? Especially from me? I'm just a user on GameFAQ. If the Congress finds something, they'll disclose it. That's the point of the disclosure act. If they don't, they don't. I can't do shit. All anyone can do is watch.

KitKats posted...

This has absolutely nothing to do with UFO grifters like Steven Greer or Mick West, et al.

This is so delusional. Mick West isnt a grifter, hes a skeptic who debunks UFO grifters.

And youre totally leaving out the utterly insane claims made by the people who actually testified about UAPs having non-human intelligence, and recovered bodies, having killed Americans, and being recovered by the Vatican. You trying to make the hearing and testimony seem sane, and about something it wasnt.

I heard that guy that testified before Congress said some s*** about the Italians in WW2 hiding a crashed UFO. Like, come on.

VFalcone posted...

What the hell do you want then, man? Especially from me? I'm just a user on GameFAQ. If the Congress finds something, they'll disclose it. That's the point of the disclosure act. If they don't, they don't. I can't do shit. All anyone can do is watch.

What you can do is stop getting conned.

If the aliens reveal themselves, it needs to be a massive thing that is entirely public. We cannot trust our world governments to even tell us half of the truth about anything. They would try to control the knowledge and capitalize on it. We would be the last to know. Honestly, theyve most likely had confirmation since at least Roswell.

Not reading this topic because I know CE is violently anti-alien.

This article was the general consensus among a lot of people smarter than me I've heard talking about it this year. Our skunkworks programs have gotten so out of hand that trillions of dollars are being funneled into all manners of experimental weapon/vehicle platforms that Congress and the general public know nothing about. Let's pretend in the 80s, the drone tech / su-71 were like $5b. I'm not looking up numbers, I know they exist. Simply for metaphor, the ballpark is that we've entered the hundreds of trillions range by this point in 2023.

A: It is actually reverse engineering alien tech, always has been, and that is why the secretive nature exists.

B: It is not alien tech whatsoever, and an unfathomable decades long disinformation campaign started to make people who sniff around think it is. No, China, we don't have reaper drones. But they might be Martians. Then when people start whistleblowing, they know what department got leaked etc and respond in kind to closing holes.

What a horrifyingly fascinating crossroads.

I don't think this is aliens, but people gotta stop using the poor argument against them coming here by saying they need FTL to get here.

FTL is not required to move mass distances. There are several possibilities, including via time dilation. Even we, dumbass humans, have been looking into these things, so we can't say a single thing about how aliens would be able to figure it and wield it.

VFalcone posted...

What the hell do you want then, man? Especially from me? I'm just a user on GameFAQ. If the Congress finds something, they'll disclose it. That's the point of the disclosure act. If they don't, they don't. I can't do shit. All anyone can do is watch.

I don't want anything from anyone other than what I already said.

The other user wondered why anyone would think Grusch is lying. I provided a clear reason why. Grusch has provided absolutely 0 reasons why one should just believe his extraordinary claims.

If you want us to believe extraordinary claims, the believers of that claim need to produce extraordinary substantiated evidence. That includes the claim demanding everyone entertain any aircrafts, nonhuman biological, and any other insinuated science fiction claims.

It's really that simple why people think he's lying. It shouldn't shock you not everyone is blindly believing Gruschs claims or any other favorite talking head entertaining this without producing proof.

Skankhair posted...

This is so delusional. Mick West isnt a grifter, hes a skeptic who debunks UFO grifters.

Lol, Mick West is a total grifter and no better than people like Steven Greer or Bob Lazar. Pretty ironic from someone who likes to toss around words like gullible

Payzmaykr posted...

If the aliens reveal themselves, it needs to be a massive thing that is entirely public. We cannot trust our world governments to even tell us half of the truth about anything. They would try to control the knowledge and capitalize on it. We would be the last to know. Honestly, theyve most likely had confirmation since at least Roswell.

But we dont know if we are dealing with extraterrestrials, something thats inter-dimensional, or something subterranean. There is strong evidence for all three, but we will hopefully know in time.

The UAP Disclosure Act mentions sending the Secretary of State to other countries and requesting that work together in terms of disclosing to the world if something is found

asdf8562 posted...

I don't want anything from anyone other than what I already said.

The other user wondered why anyone would think Grusch is lying. I provided a clear reason why. Grusch has provided absolutely 0 reasons why one should just believe his extraordinary claims.

If you want us to believe extraordinary claims, the believers of that claim need to produce extraordinary substantiated evidence. That includes the claim demanding everyone entertain any aircrafts, nonhuman biological, and any other insinuated science fiction claims.

It's really that simple why people think he's lying. It shouldn't shock you not everyone is blindly believing Gruschs claims or any other favorite talking head entertaining this without producing proof.

I really don't care about Grusch's claims on their own. I'm now interested in the investigation. That's the only thing that can give the conclusion

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The broadcasts' reach is just a sliver of the Milky Way, I'd be extremely surprised if anything has caught it yet

And they lose fidelity fast considering how vast space is. The entire world has provided no evidence for aliens yet conspiracy lunatics with apparently no knowledge of the existence of civilization outside American borders think somehow the US government is solely privy to such knowledge. Do you know how many people would love their names in the books for discovering aliens? The idea that the only people with actual evidence happen to be people who keep it a secret is nuts. If somebody sees something in the sky that they can't identify it's probably because we've been capable of putting things in the sky for over a century and not everybody alerts everybody else when they plan to do home experiments/spy/whatever. How dumb is this board?

VFalcone posted...

I really don't care about Grusch's claims on their own. I'm now interested in the investigation. That's the only thing that can give the conclusion

Which is something we don't care to entertain either as deserving credibility.

It's like entertaining an investigation into the loch ness monster, Narnia, or secret supernatural powers for the people not just blindly believing Grusch and his friends claims have any merit.

Look us up when extraordinary substantiated evidence is produced. But like I said, most of the people not blindly believing this grift warrants an investigation have a similar opinion if they were investigating insinuated claims of supernatural powers for humans existing.

KitKats posted...

Lol, Mick West is a total grifter and no better than people like Steven Greer or Bob Lazar. Pretty ironic from someone who likes to toss around words like gullible

Thats hilarious Youre just mad because he debunks the shit you fall for

asdf8562 posted...

Which is something we don't care to entertain either as deserving credibility.

It's like entertaining an investigation into the loch ness monster, Narnia, or secret supernatural powers for the people not just blindly believing Grusch and his friends claims have any merit.

Look us up when extraordinary substantiated evidence is produced. But like I said, most of the people not blindly believing this grift warrants an investigation have a similar opinion if they were investigating insinuated claims of supernatural powers for humans existing.

You: I want proof

Me: That's what the investigation is for

You: I don't care about the investigation. I want proof.

Me: That's what the investigation is for

VFalcone posted...

You: I want proof

Me: That's what the investigation is for

You: I don't care about the investigation. I want proof.

Me: That's what the investigation is for

Theyve been investigating UFOs since the late 40s. Theres no there there. Stop getting conned.

Skankhair posted...

Theyve been investigating UFOs since the late 40s. Theres no there there. Stop getting conned.

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VFalcone posted...

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Thats cute

You got conned and this is how you cope *pats on head*

Skankhair posted...

Thats hilarious Youre just mad because he debunks the shit you fall for

Im not sure what your problem is or why youre so hard up to paint a false narrative. I couldnt care less about low quality garbage content from people like Mick West or any number of other Johnny b goods who want to cash in on ufo madness, and talk about secret lizard people and hidden bases on mars.

KitKats posted...

Im not sure what your problem is or why youre so hard up to paint a false narrative. I couldnt care less about low quality garbage content from people like Mick West or any number of other Johnny b goods who want to cash in on ufo madness, and talk about secret lizard people and hidden bases on mars.

Aww did Mick debunk your wittle fairy tales? Swooooo sad. Cry harder.

This board is so worthless

HornyLevel posted...

FTL is not required to move mass distances. There are several possibilities, including via time dilation.

Time dilation is an effect that happens between 2 observers typically when one is moving at a much higher velocity relative to the other. It doesn't cause you to move mass distances.

Shadow_Don posted...

Time dilation is an effect that happens between 2 observers typically when one is moving at a much higher velocity relative to the other. It doesn't cause you to move mass distances.

Someone traveling at 99% of c will experience only 30 years, while they travel 200 light years. I didn't say it causes you to move mass distances. It allows the crew to save a lot of time to move mass distances.

People say you can't experience time at light speed, but the truth is that upon hitting light speed, Jimi Hendrix appears and plays a unique song that only you will hear.