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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:11:53 PM
#351:


Goderator posted...
for me, weebs like neon are obnoxious which almost makes me hate anime by association and anime character designs are mostly terrible and overdesigned

https://imgur.com/A7Ob7Rr


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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:13:57 PM
#352:


Tifa still has jiggle physics, but it's only on her party dress >_>

https://imgur.com/90gjK6c

from what I heard, this clip is impossible in game because someone had to hack the dress on her for this scene, but otherwise the jiggling is real and from the game's physics and engine lol

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FortuneCookie
08/11/23 8:15:00 PM
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Fucking ethics department.
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I4NRulez
08/11/23 8:17:09 PM
#354:


darkbuster posted...
Part of that drama was from SE's supposed "ethics department" which felt like Tifa's chest needed to be revised to begin with. If it was just a redesign for the tone of the game, it wouldn't have been a big deal. Also, the dismissive attitude towards Tifa's original design, low-key supports my original point.

Her design is the exact same lol. They just gave her a "realistic" body.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:17:45 PM
#355:


Also reminder that Square literally gave us Tifa's official measurements in some art book

https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1321380741507264513?s=19

tl;dr her bust size is G70 in Japanese measurements and 32DDD in American measurements

God bless Japan for giving us that info

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ultimate_reaver
08/11/23 8:17:52 PM
#356:


people definitely complained about pyra and mythra and xenoblade 2's more curvy characters. there was a twitter meme for awhile about people trying to "fix" pyra's design which basically worked out to adding more clothes and reducing her chest. also a lot of complaining about the ice rabbit lady. yes, all of these people got mocked like the kotaku guy but they absolutely are always floating around and its a strange thing to pretend it doesnt happen

at the end of the day i do not overwhelmingly care about the size of an anime womans boobs because i am a gay man, but the 2010s really saw a ramping up of weird sex negativity towards adult characters in anime styled stuff and the word "exploitation" got thrown around a to and it always struck me as really gross. its begun to settle back down in recent years ive noticed and its becoming less popular, but its still here and has been for years

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:19:14 PM
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The societal prudeness definitely comes in waves. I think it's a generational thing >_>

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codey
08/11/23 8:23:34 PM
#358:


ultimate_reaver posted...
people definitely complained about pyra and mythra and xenoblade 2's more curvy characters. there was a twitter meme for awhile about people trying to "fix" pyra's design which basically worked out to adding more clothes and reducing her chest. also a lot of complaining about the ice rabbit lady. yes, all of these people got mocked like the kotaku guy but they absolutely are always floating around and its a strange thing to pretend it doesnt happen

at the end of the day i do not overwhelmingly care about the size of an anime womans boobs because i am a gay man, but the 2010s really saw a ramping up of weird sex negativity towards adult characters in anime styled stuff and the word "exploitation" got thrown around a to and it always struck me as really gross. its begun to settle back down in recent years ive noticed and its becoming less popular, but its still here and has been for years

If they're all soundly mocked whenever they express these views, then how can you in any way argue it's a mainstream or prevailing opinion they hold? If they're the only ones complaining about adult characters being sexualized and get mocked for it when they do, then is western society *really* against fanservice in Japanese games?

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Lobinde
08/11/23 8:23:49 PM
#359:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
The societal prudeness definitely comes in waves. I think it's a generational thing >_>
It's sub-generational even. In my experience early zoomers (born 1995-1999) tend to be pretty chill and open when it comes to sexualisation in media, but late zoomers, even the ones who are now adults (born 2000-2004 let's say) tend to be a lot more sex negative and prudish.
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CyricZ
08/11/23 8:25:36 PM
#360:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Maybe I'm just biased cuz it's more fair but I thought the beetle version was better overall, both in fan service and gameplay lol. Plus Kiryu seeing whole game as an innocent children's card game while Majima is like "Bruh, do you not see those titties and erotic poses!?" is just endlessly hilarious to me >_>
Yes Mesuking is a much better way to frame it, and it is in fact more fair. Ties are just literal draws and you proceed.

It's also based on a real game called Mushiking where you fight with just regular insects.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:26:47 PM
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Oh yeah, I heard about that but I never saw footage of it. Is it literally the same game but with beetle instead of skimpy women?

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darkbuster
08/11/23 8:27:37 PM
#362:


I4NRulez posted...
Her design is the exact same lol. They just gave her a "realistic" body.

Which is bound to be a problem, in a series that wasn't originally built on any notion of realism. FFVII is a massive anarchism of steampunk, 1920s America, classic medieval fantasy JRPG world, & mild cyberpunk. You party consists of a talking dog, a talking cat riding ...a robot thing?, a magic cleric girl, man with an arm cannon, a vampire, & a kid ninja. Imposing realism on it, was always going to be a divisive act.

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Priere
08/11/23 8:28:01 PM
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The world would be better if we stopped being so prudish

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CyricZ
08/11/23 8:29:10 PM
#364:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Oh yeah, I heard about that but I never saw footage of it. Is it literally the same game but with beetle instead of skimpy women?
https://youtu.be/95Uu3enn-Ao

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Goderator
08/11/23 8:31:40 PM
#365:


ultimate_reaver posted...
people definitely complained about pyra and mythra and xenoblade 2's more curvy characters. there was a twitter meme for awhile about people trying to "fix" pyra's design which basically worked out to adding more clothes and reducing her chest. also a lot of complaining about the ice rabbit lady. yes, all of these people got mocked like the kotaku guy but they absolutely are always floating around and its a strange thing to pretend it doesnt happen

at the end of the day i do not overwhelmingly care about the size of an anime womans boobs because i am a gay man, but the 2010s really saw a ramping up of weird sex negativity towards adult characters in anime styled stuff and the word "exploitation" got thrown around a to and it always struck me as really gross. its begun to settle back down in recent years ive noticed and its becoming less popular, but its still here and has been for years
the problem with pyra's and mythra's designs for me wasn't the sexualization specifically but rather it didn't fit the tone of the game or at least the tone I wanted the game to have. the game gets pretty serious as it goes on so it was kind of immersion breaking to see constant upskirts from mythra and cartoonish bolt-ons from pyra in these cutscenes. xenoblade 1 is one of my favorite games as well and the sexualization was way lower so the whiplash of xb2 was jarring. I dont think these unreasonable opinions
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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 8:32:42 PM
#366:


CyricZ posted...
https://youtu.be/95Uu3enn-Ao
lol so it does play just like in Yakuza. That story is pretty interesting lol. I also like the sound effects in it too

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CyricZ
08/11/23 8:33:23 PM
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I'd completely forgotten it got a Western release!

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ultimate_reaver
08/11/23 8:36:11 PM
#368:


codey posted...
If they're all soundly mocked whenever they express these views, then how can you in any way argue it's a mainstream or prevailing opinion they hold?

At the time they were mocked and everyone who mocked them were called shithead gamergater so-and-so-whatevers even though most of the people doing the mocking had no tie to that. So were the people that mocked the kotaku guy, as funny as it was there were just as many people making excuses for him and Waypoint of all places took him in with open arms after he left Kotaku.

Just because people make fun of someone doesn't mean it isn't something being pushed as a mainstream viewpoint. I don't think racism against the japanese is a mainstream viewpoint most people had but a few months ago we had a big blowup where people dredged up game journalists being very casually racist all over the place as well. It happened and I'm not entirely sure how you didn't/don't see it, but I can assure you it still does even if people have calmed down somewhat


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I4NRulez
08/11/23 8:37:12 PM
#369:


darkbuster posted...
Which is bound to be a problem, in a series that wasn't originally built on any notion of realism. FFVII is a massive anarchism of steampunk, 1920s America, classic medieval fantasy JRPG world, & mild cyberpunk. You party consists of a talking dog, a talking cat riding ...a robot thing?, a magic cleric girl, man with an arm cannon, a vampire, & a kid ninja. Imposing realism on it, was always going to be a divisive act.

Bro, she still has huge boobs lol.

Like wtf are you on about. Her breast still spills over her suspenders. Literally, nothing about Tifa has changed. If you feel like a miniscule reduction in cup size is that big of a deal you need to go outside and touch grass.

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ultimate_reaver
08/11/23 8:40:01 PM
#370:


Goderator posted...
the problem with pyra's and mythra's designs for me wasn't the sexualization specifically but rather it didn't fit the tone of the game or at least the tone I wanted the game to have. the game gets pretty serious as it goes on so it was kind of immersion breaking to see constant upskirts from mythra and cartoonish bolt-ons from pyra in these cutscenes. xenoblade 1 is one of my favorite games as well and the sexualization was way lower so the whiplash of xb2 was jarring. I dont think these unreasonable opinions

im not gonna lie, i have never found a xenoblade game particularly attention grabbing in any real aspect and I've never finished one with 2 probably being the closest I came. I like how colorful and bright and varied looking xb2 and 3's characters are compared to the first game's though, it's the same reason I like older final fantasy games character designs compared to 12/14/16

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Goderator
08/11/23 8:50:58 PM
#371:


ultimate_reaver posted...
im not gonna lie, i have never found a xenoblade game particularly attention grabbing in any real aspect and I've never finished one with 2 probably being the closest I came. I like how colorful and bright and varied looking xb2 and 3's characters are compared to the first game's though, it's the same reason I like older final fantasy games character designs compared to 12/14/16
i havent played 3 yet but the reason xb2 designs were varied was because a lot of the characters were designed by different artists. I think that is a cool concept but there was a lot of clashing as a result. here is rex and and a random npc. they dont even look like the same species:

https://cdn.segmentnextimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/rex-feature.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/b/b2/Mason.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200103185217
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deoxxys
08/11/23 9:00:21 PM
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Because its only okay if the involved parties look androgynous and bland

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codey
08/11/23 9:01:00 PM
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Quote the posts then and we'll call them out. If they're saying it they're wrong.

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08/11/23 9:01:53 PM
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codey
08/11/23 9:11:54 PM
#376:


pauIie posted...
rex and nia do not look like adults in xbc2 imo

...this is the one you took offense to? Rex does look like a little kid, I disagree that Nia does, but this post is very innocuous.

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darkbuster
08/11/23 9:13:14 PM
#377:


I4NRulez posted...
Bro, she still has huge boobs lol.

Like wtf are you on about. Her breast still spills over her suspenders. Literally, nothing about Tifa has changed. If you feel like a miniscule reduction in cup size is that big of a deal you need to go outside and touch grass.

My point in the post you're getting all worked up about, is that realism is just inherently incompatible with a game as unrealistic as FFVII. My point with Tifa is the general double standard between Western & Japanese games, when it comes to sexual themes, & the "touch grass" meme is only demonstrating the disparity between the two. I personally don't even care about FFVIIR, but the way the people who did care are treated, says a lot.

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Goderator
08/11/23 9:14:04 PM
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rex is literally 15 and nia calls him a child many times throughout the game
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codey
08/11/23 9:23:28 PM
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And no offense to you, but you chose the two characters most likely to be thought of as children (considering one is). I asked you to show me where someone is talking about characters that, quote, look and act like adults, and you came to me with a 15 year old and someone with a very ambiguous age (which I see as an adult, coincidentally. That poster merely said he thought she was young).

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darkbuster
08/11/23 9:39:07 PM
#381:


Goderator posted...
i havent played 3 yet but the reason xb2 designs were varied was because a lot of the characters were designed by different artists. I think that is a cool concept but there was a lot of clashing as a result. here is rex and and a random npc. they dont even look like the same species:

https://cdn.segmentnextimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/rex-feature.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/b/b2/Mason.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200103185217

I mean, given the plot of XB2, that makes sense. With the explanation for how life in the new world was cultivated, it makes perfect sense for such drastic variations, given that they're based on the genetic material a titan was able to accumulate, leading to things like Gormotti, Indolese, Urayans, & Nopon. Also, humans, as in Homo Sapiens, are basically an extinct species in the world of XB2. Even the most human looking ones are, most likely, very genetically removed from an actual human.

codey posted...
And no offense to you, but you chose the two characters most likely to be thought of as children (considering one is). I asked you to show me where someone is talking about characters that, quote, look and act like adults, and you came to me with a 15 year old and someone with a very ambiguous age (which I see as an adult, coincidentally. That poster merely said he thought she was young).

Yeah, always seemed obvious that Rex & Nia are supposed to thematically be the same age, & not until the plot twist where the nature of Nia's life becomes questionable, could you really argue otherwise.

Still didn't stop people from arguing Uzaki chan was a child though, a character who is canonically of college age.

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codey
08/11/23 9:56:42 PM
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You just linked me nothing about Nia as far as I can tell.

When I say ambiguous age I just mean she could be either a teen or in their 20s. She doesn't look like a child, she's just youthful.

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FortuneCookie
08/11/23 10:07:25 PM
#384:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
The societal prudeness definitely comes in waves. I think it's a generational thing >_>

Yeah, that's nice. I'll be needing a little blue pill when the right people decide it's okay to be sexy again.
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codey
08/11/23 10:19:39 PM
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Rex is 15 years old, if you don't think he's a child I don't know what to tell you

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FortuneCookie
08/11/23 11:09:05 PM
#388:


codey posted...
Rex is 15 years old, if you don't think he's a child I don't know what to tell you

I just had my 90-day review at my place of employment. I'm no longer a probationary employee, but fully fledged employee at the ER. By your logic, I was unemployed until last week.

Adult and Minor may be the only two age groups that matter as far as sex is concerned. But teenagers are absolutely their own valid age group and should not be considered child or adult. A 15-year-old is old enough to drive with a permit. They are 3 years removed from sleeping with any consenting adult, electing the US president, or enlisting in the army if they so choose to. That's not a child. That may not be an adult, not yet, but the maturity gap between a 15-year-old and an 18-year-old is immeasurably closer than that of a 15-year-old and the 5-year-old people like you seem to pretend they are.

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thronedfire2
08/11/23 11:26:06 PM
#389:


FortuneCookie posted...
I just had my 90-day review at my place of employment. I'm no longer a probationary employee, but fully fledged employee at the ER. By your logic, I was unemployed until last week.

Adult and Minor may be the only two age groups that matter as far as sex is concerned. But teenagers are absolutely their own valid age group and should not be considered child or adult. A 15-year-old is old enough to drive with a permit. They are 3 years removed from sleeping with any consenting adult, electing the US president, or enlisting in the army if they so choose to. That's not a child. That may not be an adult, not yet, but the maturity gap between a 15-year-old and an 18-year-old is immeasurably closer than that of a 15-year-old and the 5-year-old people like you seem to pretend they are.

Calling someone in their mid-to-late teens a child is like calling a fetus a sperm cell.

this is certainly a very nuanced opinion on the subject

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FortuneCookie
08/11/23 11:42:39 PM
#390:


thronedfire2 posted...
this is certainly a very nuanced opinion on the subject

I hate that "nuance" has become a buzzword.

That's all we seem to have in this generation, isn't it? "Both sides," "nuanced," "alt right," "fascist," "Nazi," and "pedophile." Because I view one's mid-to-late teens as its own stage of life independent of adulthood or childhood, that automatically translates to me wanting to fuck little boys, doesn't it?

Put me on an FBI watchlist now.
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dancing_cactuar
08/11/23 11:43:04 PM
#391:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Here it is!

https://imgur.com/T1uWAoc
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Literally how do people like that function in the real world
Real late to the party here, but the same loser also complained about Cidney in FF XV, who definitely isn't a loli, and I remember her getting complaints from plenty of same usual suspects along with Quiet.


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08/11/23 11:58:34 PM
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Why does Baldur get a pass for being horny, but JP games don't?

probly cause the JP game characters are minors or look like minors. Not all, but many such cases, bigly

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_____Cait
08/12/23 2:18:21 AM
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Cause Japanese games usually do it with underaged looking girls, intentionally.

Also nobody goes into DnD knowing it is gonna be a sexy time.

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AceMos
08/12/23 4:44:52 AM
#395:


AceMos posted...
ppl have mentioned the hole age thing

so here is another thing

its OPTIONAL in western games

where as alot of jpns games you dont have a choice women are going to be dressed in skimpy clothing for no reason

take trials of mana (good game by the way) there is no reason for angela to dress how she does hell even rieze has several class outfits that are super skimpy for no reason (thoe she thankfully does have a few that look good)

when im playing a game that wants me to take its story seriously im going to question why the warrior woman is dressed in a bikini


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DKBananaSlamma
08/12/23 6:14:06 AM
#396:


_____Cait posted...
Also nobody goes into DnD knowing it is gonna be a sexy time.
Nah, everytime you got to a bar in DnD, someone is always gonna be trying to roleplay banging someone lol

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codey
08/12/23 8:52:17 AM
#397:


FortuneCookie posted...
I just had my 90-day review at my place of employment. I'm no longer a probationary employee, but fully fledged employee at the ER. By your logic, I was unemployed until last week.

Adult and Minor may be the only two age groups that matter as far as sex is concerned. But teenagers are absolutely their own valid age group and should not be considered child or adult. A 15-year-old is old enough to drive with a permit. They are 3 years removed from sleeping with any consenting adult, electing the US president, or enlisting in the army if they so choose to. That's not a child. That may not be an adult, not yet, but the maturity gap between a 15-year-old and an 18-year-old is immeasurably closer than that of a 15-year-old and the 5-year-old people like you seem to pretend they are.

Calling someone in their mid-to-late teens a child is like calling a fetus a sperm cell.

Yeah you sure are right, 15 year olds shouldn't be considered adults.

Adults, by the way, are the only people that are ok to want to fuck.

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BeautifulBlaze
08/12/23 10:25:53 AM
#398:


VeggetaX posted...
The racism against Japan is fucking disgusting ITT. And some of y'all claim to be leftist progressives too. Laughable

This.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/12/23 10:31:02 AM
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