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mario2000
08/12/23 3:27:42 PM
#451:


racism

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darkbuster
08/12/23 3:32:26 PM
#452:


Eab1990 posted...
It is the weekend, I suppose. But I thought the topic ran its course around 200 posts in, so I'm surprised a mod was watching this like a hawk.

Even then, it was for "double-downing". I know I'm not the only one modded here, so I can only assume I was being baited.

Stuff about Stewie and Brian that I had to look up on TVTropes to make sure I was being accurate, and ended up being too accurate.

Except, again, Family Guy, South Park, etc.

I mean, South Park had a special needs child get 'R'-ed by a shark. It was the result of his own malevolence backfiring, but still.

Also, Family Guy has an old man whose whole shtick is being a pedo. Not as prominent as he used to be, but still around.

Finally, the whole bear thing is basically on the same dynamic as the actually 400 year old loli. "It's ok to sexualize the bear, because it's actually a shapeshifter" vs "it's ok to sexualize the loli, because she's actually a 4000 year old demon who just happens to look like a child". Same energy, except only the most hardcore weebs will unironically defend the demon loli as some expression of high art.

When you get to the center of the issue, it really is just a case of ethnocentrism.

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Frolex
08/12/23 4:44:05 PM
#453:


"Age of consent doesn't matter"

"You're a fucking weirdo"

"So much for the tolerant left"

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DKBananaSlamma
08/12/23 4:51:57 PM
#454:


This topic has been very entertaining to read through lol

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ArtiRock
08/12/23 4:54:00 PM
#455:


darkbuster posted...
Finally, the whole bear thing is basically on the same dynamic as the actually 400 year old loli. "It's ok to sexualize the bear, because it's actually a shapeshifter" vs "it's ok to sexualize the loli, because she's actually a 4000 year old demon who just happens to look like a child". Same energy, except only the most hardcore weebs will unironically defend the demon loli as some expression of high art.

When you get to the center of the issue, it really is just a case of ethnocentrism
No it isn't the same. Because no matter how you slice it, the "bear" is a human and no matter how you twist and contort the argument, they will forever be an adult. Because you didn't fall in love with a bear. It's akin to saying a person that fucks a vampire is into necrophilia or even finds them hot to be a problematic. The reason I said earlier "I'd fuck the bear over a child" is because I'm not stupid and know who "the bear" is.

And this is just a lazy way to try to posture and say "it's s culture difference, that's why it's fine to fuck a child." Because it's certainly nothing to do with ethnicity for how okay that is.

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darkbuster
08/12/23 5:07:22 PM
#456:


ArtiRock posted...
No it isn't the same. Because no matter how you slice it, the "bear" is a human and no matter how you twist and contort the argument, they will forever be an adult. Because you didn't fall in love with a bear. It's akin to saying a person that fucks a vampire is into necrophilia or even finds them hot to be a problematic. The reason I said earlier "I'd fuck the bear over a child" is because I'm not stupid and know who "the bear" is.

And this is just a lazy way to try to posture and say "it's s culture difference, that's why it's fine to fuck a child." Because it's certainly nothing to do with ethnicity for how okay that is.

Yeah, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAR, which is the whole basis for loli styled characters that are legitimately not children. From how this whole thing is always treated the other way around, no one ever accepts the explanation that "the demon/dragon/etc. is just taking the form of a loli, but their "true form" is actually an adult" so why are we letting Baldur get away with it? Whatever you want to call it, this would never fly for an anime themed game; there would be arguments about how the artists chose that form, & could have made it more of an adult looking human.

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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 5:18:53 PM
#457:


ArtiRock posted...
I said earlier "I'd fuck the bear over a child" is because I'm not stupid and know who "the bear" is.

you could uh
just not fuck either of them
holy shit
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ArtiRock
08/12/23 5:25:55 PM
#458:


darkbuster posted...
Yeah, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAR, which is the whole basis for loli styled characters that are legitimately not children. From how this whole thing is always treated the other way around, no one ever accepts the explanation that "the demon/dragon/etc. is just taking the form of a loli, but their "true form" is actually an adult" so why are we letting Baldur get away with it? Whatever you want to call it, this would never fly for an anime themed game; there would be arguments about how the artists chose that form, & could have made it more of an adult looking human.
I don't care if it looks like a bear. He wasn't. The loli thing is that they are child looking and act like children with a *wink* *wink* "actually they aren't children." If the dragon just looked young, but sounded like IDK Claudia Black, and acted like a grown ass woman, no one would really care too much about it. Because you know, she's actually functionally an adult. If you want to be really anal about it, fine, let's say she's an adult, then you're having sex with someone that has the mental capacity of a child, which isn't exactly going to rollover any better than the former argument.

And you saying "if it was anime themed people would have a problem with it." That's on you to prove, because I'm not seeing where people would be upset about it if an adult had sex with an adult even if they were "not human." Matter of fact, there are so many people that ship Y'shtola and Runar in FF14, and they aren't even from the same world, nor the same species. You know why? Because both of them are goddamned adults so it doesn't feel like anyone is taking advantage of each other. But you can trust and believe that if they made Thancred in love with Ryne outside of the father / daughter relationship, people would have a problem with it.

ArsGoetia posted...
you could uh
just not fuck either of them
holy shit
Yeah, you can, it's called not selecting the option. You could uh... Actually add something productive to the conversation instead of continuously acting obtuse. Holy shit.

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asdf8562
08/12/23 5:30:01 PM
#459:


blackrider76 posted...
Since you still lack reading comprehension, Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of wanting to fuck fictional bears is okay because at least theyre an adult, but gotta protect the fictional lolis, even if theyre of age.
My reading comprehension is just fine. You made this topic to bitch and whine about some supposed double standard of you being upset people want less lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... and your rationale is it should be okay because furries exist (something I dont support either btw) because and I quote, ...... "Reminder that age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway." Those were your words.

It's quite amazing you thought posting either of those things justifies your point. In fact, if this was only about you not wanting to see furries, you could have simply made a topic about furries and kept it strictly about that. You deciding to "remind" everyone that and I quote, "age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway" as some kind of counter point to sexualized underage looking and sounding characters. Which tells everyone you want lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... to get a, and I quote, "pass for being horny" too.

The topic started off as a loud dog whistle to what your intentions were, and ended with a loud ass siren with your mask coming completely off.
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flussence
08/12/23 5:30:35 PM
#460:


ArsGoetia posted...


you could uh
just not fuck either of them
holy shit

Riddle me this, batman

You are at a river crossing with a 5000 year old demon, a bear polymorph, and a boat that can only carry two of you at once;

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Vokrent
08/12/23 5:34:58 PM
#461:


flussence posted...
Riddle me this, batman

You are at a river crossing with a 5000 year old demon, a bear polymorph, and a boat that can only carry two of you at once;
leave both the demon and the bear polymorph behind

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Tyranthraxus
08/12/23 5:36:00 PM
#463:


flussence posted...
Riddle me this, batman

You are at a river crossing with a 5000 year old demon, a bear polymorph, and a boat that can only carry two of you at once;
I put the bear and the demon in the boat, kick it into the river while holding onto the oars then walk home.

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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 5:36:08 PM
#464:


ArtiRock posted...


Yeah, you can, it's called not selecting the option.

you did select an option tho

ArtiRock posted...
I'd fuck the bear

and no matter how you try to twist it with weird ass anime scenarios you're inventing to suit your argument, you are literally using the 3000 year old vampire defense to justify it

theres a reason shifter erotica is one of the few banned genres of erotica on amazon

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flussence
08/12/23 5:38:25 PM
#465:


ArsGoetia posted...
theres a reason shifter erotica is one of the few banned genres of erotica on amazon

i don't think Amazon is a valid judge of content given how so much of it is spam it literally coined the "ebooks" meme

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ArtiRock
08/12/23 5:39:47 PM
#466:


asdf8562 posted...
My reading comprehension is just fine. You made this topic to bitch and whine about some supposed double standard of you being upset people want less lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... and your rationale is it should be okay because furries exist (something I dont support either btw) because and I quote, ...... "Reminder that age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway." Those were your words.

It's quite amazing you thought posting either of those things justifies your point. In fact, if this was only about you not wanting to see furries, you could have simply made a topic about furries and kept it strictly about that. You deciding to "remind" everyone that and I quote, "age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway" as some kind of counter point to sexualized underage looking and sounding characters. Which tells everyone you want lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... to get a, and I quote, "pass for being horny" too.

The topic started off as a loud dog whistle to what your intentions were, and ended with a loud ass siren with your mask coming completely off.
Right, and I saw through it immediately, hence my first post. It's especially stupid, because I can think of adult Japanese games that don't have you dealing with childlike characters. And there are examples of where you can have cute characters obviously having sex of sorts and it's fine. Think something like story of seasons. In Friends of Mineral Town especially, you have characters looking like this (both of them are romanceable BTW): https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/02NQQvuK28FeHT5WOqEnMRh-1..v1595248410.jpg
I don't have a problem with people going with looks etc for who they want to bang because even if they are cute, they are adults first. Hell, YOU are just as cute and you know that you are an adult.

No one complains about it, because the art style makes everyone cute. Sure, I prefer the older art style, I think that's because I grew up with the Back to Nature / 64 versions so there's a bit of nostalgia bias there.

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ArtiRock
08/12/23 5:40:58 PM
#467:


ArsGoetia posted...
you did select an option tho
Ok?
ArsGoetia posted...
and no matter how you try to twist it with weird ass anime scenarios you're inventing to suit your argument, you are literally using the 3000 year old vampire defense to justify it

theres a reason shifter erotica is one of the few banned genres of erotica on amazon
So you routinely look for shifter erotica? Because that's news to me.

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Dabrikishaw15
08/12/23 5:41:18 PM
#468:


asdf8562 posted...
My reading comprehension is just fine. You made this topic to bitch and whine about some supposed double standard of you being upset people want less lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... and your rationale is it should be okay because furries exist (something I dont support either btw) because and I quote, ...... "Reminder that age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway." Those were your words.

It's quite amazing you thought posting either of those things justifies your point. In fact, if this was only about you not wanting to see furries, you could have simply made a topic about furries and kept it strictly about that. You deciding to "remind" everyone that and I quote, "age of consent doesnt actually apply to fictional characters anyway" as some kind of counter point to sexualized underage looking and sounding characters. Which tells everyone you want lolis, and characters that are drawn to look, sound and or act like children, sexualized..... to get a, and I quote, "pass for being horny" too.

The topic started off as a loud dog whistle to what your intentions were, and ended with a loud ass siren with your mask coming completely off.
Yup.

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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 5:46:56 PM
#469:


ArtiRock posted...
Ok?

So you routinely look for shifter erotica? Because that's news to me.

my wife briefly worked on writing fantasy stories to self publish on amazon and it was a topic that would come up in the writers' groups she participated in
nice deflection tho

ArtiRock posted...
If the dragon just looked young, but sounded like IDK Claudia Black, and acted like a grown ass woman, no one would really care too much about it.



yes they would
and the fact that you think they wouldnt kinda speaks volumes about your headspace
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ArtiRock
08/12/23 5:50:02 PM
#470:


ArsGoetia posted...
my wife briefly worked on writing fantasy stories to self publish on amazon and it was a topic that would come up in the writers' groups she participated in
Sureee... Yep. I totally believe that.
ArsGoetia posted...
yes they would
and the fact that you think they wouldnt kinda speaks volumes about your headspace
No, they wouldn't. Because it's the entire package that makes people uncomfortable.

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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 5:51:41 PM
#471:


ArtiRock posted...
No, they wouldn't. Because it's the entire package that makes people uncomfortable.


there is no circumstance where anyone that doesnt belong behind bars is okay with having sex with something that looks like a child
the fuck is wrong with you
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ArtiRock
08/12/23 5:52:08 PM
#472:


ArsGoetia posted...
there is no circumstance where anyone that doesnt belong behind bars is okay with having sex with something that looks like a child
the fuck is wrong with you
.... ? I really feel like you are fishing for something to try to virtue signal and screech at me about more than you are about making sense.

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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 6:00:13 PM
#473:


ArtiRock posted...
.... ? I really feel like you are fishing for something to try to virtue signal and screech at me about more than you are about making sense.

you literally just said that it's only a problem when they look and act like a child, that it's okay if they look like a child but act like an adult

If the dragon just looked young, but sounded like IDK Claudia Black, and acted like a grown ass woman, no one would really care too much about it.

like how else am i supposed to read that

and virtue signal? i was sexually abused throughout pretty much my entire childhood and watching someone sit here and spin hypotheticals to justify depicting anything even remotely resembling a child in a sexually charged manner, implied or otherwise, is pretty fuckin gross
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darkbuster
08/12/23 6:17:23 PM
#474:


ArtiRock posted...
I don't care if it looks like a bear. He wasn't. The loli thing is that they are child looking and act like children with a *wink* *wink* "actually they aren't children." If the dragon just looked young, but sounded like IDK Claudia Black, and acted like a grown ass woman, no one would really care too much about it. Because you know, she's actually functionally an adult. If you want to be really anal about it, fine, let's say she's an adult, then you're having sex with someone that has the mental capacity of a child, which isn't exactly going to rollover any better than the former argument.
You clearly missed the initial blow-back from Cyberpunk Edgerunners' Rebecca, if you think it'd be that simple. As for adults of questionable mental capacity, that's a whole different subject, I'd rather not get into, but it a relatively difficult argument to prove on a more whimsical character.


And you saying "if it was anime themed people would have a problem with it." That's on you to prove, because I'm not seeing where people would be upset about it if an adult had sex with an adult even if they were "not human." Matter of fact, there are so many people that ship Y'shtola and Runar in FF14, and they aren't even from the same world, nor the same species. You know why? Because both of them are goddamned adults so it doesn't feel like anyone is taking advantage of each other. But you can trust and believe that if they made Thancred in love with Ryne outside of the father / daughter relationship, people would have a problem with it.

Prove it? You're clearly not familiar with how worked up some people can get about "monster girls", are you? Most monster girls are still relatively humanoid, a feature that can be easily applied to the FF14 characters you brought up, unlike the the very bear like entity in question. It's relatively cliche at this point, but anime would probably give such a character an attractive humanoid form that just had some bear like traits, usually between ears, a tail, & horns where applicable.


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ArtiRock
08/12/23 6:28:58 PM
#475:


ArsGoetia posted...
you literally just said that it's only a problem when they look and act like a child, that it's okay if they look like a child but act like an adult

like how else am i supposed to read that

and virtue signal? i was sexually abused throughout pretty much my entire childhood and watching someone sit here and spin hypotheticals to justify depicting anything even remotely resembling a child in a sexually charged manner, implied or otherwise, is pretty fuckin gross
I'd wager you can read more than one post and actually comprehend my first post.

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ArtiRock
08/12/23 6:30:19 PM
#476:


darkbuster posted...
You clearly missed the initial blow-back from Cyberpunk Edgerunners' Rebecca, if you think it'd be that simple. As for adults of questionable mental capacity, that's a whole different subject, I'd rather not get into, but it a relatively difficult argument to prove on a more whimsical character.
Some people do it, but finding one example of people being silly doesn't mean that everyone does this.

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Eab1990
08/12/23 6:31:17 PM
#477:


ArtiRock posted...
No one complains about it, because the art style makes everyone cute. Sure, I prefer the older art style, I think that's because I grew up with the Back to Nature / 64 versions so there's a bit of nostalgia bias there.

Yeah, that's false. I regularly cite Lucky Star as an example where the adults are lolis too due to the art style (and an actual plot point with the MC's mother), and you see people treat the whole show as pedobait, so yes, people absolutely do discount the character if the art style "looks pedo enough".

It works in reverse too, where people will sexualize the teenage schoolgirl because she has a model body, like TTGL's Yoko or My Dress Up Darling's Marin, despite both being 14-15.

And do you really want to use Harvest Moon as an example when I know for a fact that there are loli bachelorettes in other versions? Off-hand, I know Lumina in AWL was made available in updated versions, though she was aged up yet also barely changed in design. There's also Amber in RF4.

While I appreciate the Popuri shoutout (OG and first pink-haired waifu for me), it is weird that you make an exception for her when she's exactly the type of

loli thing is that they are child looking and act like children with a *wink* *wink* "actually they aren't children

She's not singled out as a loli because everyone else looks young, but she's absolutely treated like a child by everyone except (You) and Kai.
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ArsGoetia
08/12/23 6:40:37 PM
#478:


ArtiRock posted...
I'd wager you can read more than one post and actually comprehend my first post.

the one about why its okay to fuck a bear?
ok

ArtiRock posted...
Some people do it, but finding one example of people being silly doesn't mean that everyone does this.


being grossed out that a character that looks like a child is involved sexually charged situations isnt being "silly" tf

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DKBananaSlamma
08/12/23 10:08:08 PM
#479:


bump. I want this topic to get to 500 >_>

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Rotterdammerung
08/12/23 10:25:41 PM
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This is certainly a topic.

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FortuneCookie
08/12/23 11:48:01 PM
#481:


thronedfire2 posted...
they are children

are you one of those libertarians that think age of consent should be decided by the childs parents?

No.

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FortuneCookie
08/12/23 11:53:19 PM
#482:


darkbuster posted...
Yeah, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAR, which is the whole basis for loli styled characters that are legitimately not children. From how this whole thing is always treated the other way around, no one ever accepts the explanation that "the demon/dragon/etc. is just taking the form of a loli, but their "true form" is actually an adult" so why are we letting Baldur get away with it? Whatever you want to call it, this would never fly for an anime themed game; there would be arguments about how the artists chose that form, & could have made it more of an adult looking human.

They get away with it because human bears are sexier than childlike adults. I thought that much was obvious.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/13/23 8:57:13 AM
#483:


Balls

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SpiritSephiroth
08/13/23 9:01:51 AM
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darkbuster posted...
Yeah, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAR, which is the whole basis for loli styled characters that are legitimately not children. From how this whole thing is always treated the other way around, no one ever accepts the explanation that "the demon/dragon/etc. is just taking the form of a loli, but their "true form" is actually an adult" so why are we letting Baldur get away with it? Whatever you want to call it, this would never fly for an anime themed game; there would be arguments about how the artists chose that form, & could have made it more of an adult looking human.

This is actually a good point.

Edit: I always thought it was fucking weird that everyone was cheering on having sex with a bear. No matter if it was supposed to be a "druid" or not. It was still a bear on-screen, some bestiality shit.

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08/13/23 9:04:07 AM
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NatsuSama
08/13/23 9:50:25 AM
#485:


Bump. I would like to contribute to this abomination of a topic ending. Less than 20 posts away.

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_____Cait
08/13/23 9:53:51 AM
#486:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
This is actually a good point.

Edit: I always thought it was fucking weird that everyone was cheering on having sex with a bear. No matter if it was supposed to be a "druid" or not. It was still a bear on-screen, some bestiality shit.

I think its because most healthy people know having sex with a bear is absurd and that makes it funny, because most people would never want to. Im not counting furries, since they dont do it with real animals.

Yet we have a whole sub culture of people who do want to do bad things to children, or dream of it through art.

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Tyranthraxus
08/13/23 11:03:41 AM
#488:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
This is actually a good point.

Edit: I always thought it was fucking weird that everyone was cheering on having sex with a bear. No matter if it was supposed to be a "druid" or not. It was still a bear on-screen, some bestiality shit.

I was under the impression that the cheering was mostly for the courage it took to do that. People saw that scene and thought "wow, they knew this would be really controversial and they did it anyway." Not so much "omg I always wanted to have sex with a bear!"

I mean at least that's what I hope it was about.

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Kloe_Rinz
08/13/23 11:07:50 AM
#489:


Another 500 topic that Kloe Rinz can take full credit for
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Eab1990
08/13/23 11:09:04 AM
#490:


I guess I'm not gonna get a response to the Harvest Moon thing at this rate.

_____Cait posted...
Im not counting furries, since they dont do it with real animals.

Tyranthraxus posted...
I was under the impression that the cheering was mostly for the courage it took to do that. People saw that scene and thought "wow, they knew this would be really controversial and they did it anyway." Not so much "omg I always wanted to have sex with a bear!"

I mean at least that's what I hope it was about.

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asdf8562
08/13/23 11:19:11 AM
#491:


@SpiritSephiroth
This is actually a good point.

Edit: I always thought it was fucking weird that everyone was cheering on having sex with a bear. No matter if it was supposed to be a "druid" or not. It was still a bear on-screen, some bestiality shit.
It's not a good point. Not everyone here is cheering for that either. I did not once cheer for it.
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Tyranthraxus
08/13/23 11:19:36 AM
#492:


Eab1990 posted...
Oh, you sweet summer children.

I assume then, you are to take no objections to someone making the same implications about those who consume "loli" media?

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Ivynn
08/13/23 11:21:12 AM
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Why did people cheer for the bear sex tho? That was weird. >_>

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Eab1990
08/13/23 11:22:51 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I assume then, you are to take no objections to someone making the same implications about those who consume "loli" media?

People already do that, even though the only "definitive" case they could pin it to is the Handley case in 2008. And that was a plea deal.

Meanwhile you still see furry grooming rings in the past year, but no one wants to hold them accountable.
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FortuneCookie
08/13/23 11:25:05 AM
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Pedophilia is more of a hot button issue than bestiality.
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Turbam
08/13/23 11:26:22 AM
#496:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Another 500 topic that Kloe Rinz can take full credit for
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

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FortuneCookie
08/13/23 11:26:52 AM
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Bear Sex 500 Topic
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Tyranthraxus
08/13/23 11:27:06 AM
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Eab1990 posted...
People already do that, even though the only "definitive" case they could pin it to is the Handley case in 2008. And that was a plea deal.

Meanwhile you still see furry grooming rings in the past year, but no one wants to hold them accountable.



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Poorly
08/13/23 11:27:38 AM
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Me

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