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08/21/23 8:03:23 AM
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Kain_Highwind
08/21/23 9:53:19 AM
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https://twitter.com/destinlegarie/status/1693540337380381167?s=46&t=TyKHo4P14OcujN-xcvKchQ

https://www.nintendolife.com/features/hands-on-metal-gear-solid-master-collection-vol-1-could-be-so-much-more-but-isnt

Speaking of missed opportunities, we were also surprised to discover that Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater are based on the HD Collection editions that were released for PS3 and Xbox 360 back in 2012. We say based on, but in truth Konami has made no effort to hide this fact (and to be fair it did announce them as such with an admittedly slim banner on the collections promotional material). The menus for both games just flat out have HD Edition plastered on them, with 2012 Konami still there as well.

These versions run at 720p, and the Switch version is also seemingly capped at 30fps, despite the original HD releases running at 60fps. Considering the Switch is more powerful than the two consoles that previously held this pair of games, its disappointing to say the least that the frames have been halved.

We asked about performance on PS5, Xbox Series X, plus the newly announced PS4 release; Konami clarified that the games will be targeting the same resolution (720p) and frame rate of the initial HD releases. Given that Switch isnt running them at 60fps, we suppose well have to wait and see how things fare on the other platforms

hard to believe Konami used to be one of the best

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Irony
08/21/23 9:55:00 AM
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It's a direct port of the PS3 collection

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cousinvini
08/21/23 9:57:52 AM
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wow... so this is the power of the switch... wow

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_____Cait
08/21/23 9:59:10 AM
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Honestly these games are kind of ok at 30fps.

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08/21/23 9:59:38 AM
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Jagr_68
08/21/23 10:03:22 AM
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Irony posted...
It's a direct port of the PS3 collection

Legacy edition with literally every Metal Gear game (minus V and Rising) is still about $20 on PS3 and runs excellently.

$50 for a 1:1 port of a past gen compilation is such a scummy Konami thing.

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XBoner
08/21/23 10:07:48 AM
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Irony posted...
It's a direct port of the PS3 collection
Is this true? It looks no better?

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Trelve
08/21/23 10:09:45 AM
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Hopefully mods will save the PC version. I'm not playing a game at 720p in the year of our lord 2023.
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Kain_Highwind
08/21/23 10:12:44 AM
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XBoner posted...
Is this true? It looks no better?
its a direct port that, on the switch, runs worse

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Irony
08/21/23 10:13:09 AM
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XBoner posted...
Is this true? It looks no better?
Current gen versions are 720p

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Plumeofdusk
08/21/23 10:14:13 AM
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umm... 30 fps is more cinematic anyway right?? it's probably the best way to experience the games :v
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Kain_Highwind
08/21/23 10:15:52 AM
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Plumeofdusk posted...
umm... 30 fps is more cinematic anyway right?? it's probably the best way to experience the games :v
2 on the PS2 was 60 fps

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itachi15243
08/21/23 10:17:35 AM
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Plumeofdusk posted...
umm... 30 fps is more cinematic anyway right?? it's probably the best way to experience the games :v

Yeah, cinematic. Maybe they even went as low as 24 fps for that smooth movie vibe.

No way I'm buying this on anywhere other than pc where the modders can fix some of Konami's mistakes.

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Jagr_68
08/21/23 10:18:16 AM
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Plumeofdusk posted...
umm... 30 fps is more cinematic anyway right?? it's probably the best way to experience the games :v

Only MG1 is <30 because that was a literal PS1 game back in the late 90s lol. 2, Snake Eater, and even Peace Walker HD ran at 60fps on their respective platforms as well ad the original HD collections so idk wtf is going on here with switch.

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XBoner
08/21/23 10:19:06 AM
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Kain_Highwind posted...
its a direct port that, on the switch, runs worse
Isn't the switch much more powerful than ps3?

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Turbam
08/21/23 10:22:46 AM
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Konami

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itachi15243
08/21/23 10:25:26 AM
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XBoner posted...
Isn't the switch much more powerful than ps3?

It's maybe 3 or 4 times more powerful

However this is Konami, so they might have fucked up somewhere on the hardware or even just did it to save money.

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uwnim
08/21/23 10:27:21 AM
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Thats better framerate than the 3ds version of metal gear solid 3. >_>

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codey
08/21/23 10:28:46 AM
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I thought Konami was getting out of gaming anyway and doing gacha shit or something now, are they basically just releasing old ports at this point?

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itachi15243
08/21/23 10:31:09 AM
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codey posted...
I thought Konami was getting out of gaming anyway and doing gacha shit or something now, are they basically just releasing old ports at this point?

They're getting back in with this, likely another collection afterwards with the rest of the games, and an mgs3 remake.

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Pikachuchupika
08/21/23 10:32:29 AM
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Trelve posted...
Hopefully mods will save the PC version. I'm not playing a game at 720p in the year of our lord 2023.

There is no way they are shipping this with 720p on PC. Gamers will riot.
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codey
08/21/23 10:39:47 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
They're getting back in with this, likely another collection afterwards with the rest of the games, and an mgs3 remake.

It's still just remasters and stuff right? I wouldn't be surprised if they just have a skeleton crew of bottom barrel guys porting these over since they're not developing anything new.

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itachi15243
08/21/23 10:52:42 AM
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codey posted...
It's still just remasters and stuff right? I wouldn't be surprised if they just have a skeleton crew of bottom barrel guys porting these over since they're not developing anything new.

The Mgs3 remake is a full blown remake and everything.

The collections are likely just going to be ports.

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Solo_Wing
08/21/23 12:04:46 PM
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Lmao can't even run ps3 games at full speed what a garbo hardware

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Garioshi
08/21/23 2:59:50 PM
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please pay full price for a game that runs worse than it did on hardware from 17 years ago

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Garioshi
08/21/23 3:04:43 PM
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Garioshi posted...
please pay full price for a game that runs worse than it did on hardware from 17 years ago
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/8/AAYofGAAExX4.jpg
oh my fucking god it's even worse the switch runs mgs2 worse than a console from 23 fucking years ago

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ViewtifulJoe
08/21/23 3:06:52 PM
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Konami is back!

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LaLeyenda
08/21/23 3:07:55 PM
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codey posted...
I thought Konami was getting out of gaming anyway and doing gacha shit or something now, are they basically just releasing old ports at this point?
They never left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Konami_games

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Mad-Dogg
08/21/23 3:08:38 PM
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*Starts sweating since I intended to get the PS5 version and I still remember some of the jank zone of the enders and especially silent hill went through*

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MuscleRobo
08/21/23 3:08:46 PM
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It's also going to be "Localized for a modern audience."
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Ratchetrockon
08/21/23 3:10:43 PM
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this is not good

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invertedlegdrop
08/21/23 3:24:13 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/1/AARMMSAAExYF.jpg

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boomgetchopped3
08/21/23 3:28:23 PM
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Figured, my steamy deck has a bit of slowdown running mgs2 and mgs3 is only barely playable.
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Garioshi
08/21/23 3:29:08 PM
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invertedlegdrop posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/1/AARMMSAAExYF.jpg
I really don't think asking a game to run as well as it did on a console from the year I was born is asking too much

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C-zom
08/21/23 3:35:09 PM
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They flat out said that modern consoles/PC will be targeting the same specs -- so 720p and 30fps.

It's a straight-to-port HD collection for $60. Fucking yikes, man. I can't even imagine how bad 720p on my 1440p monitor would look, and the screen tearing at 30fps would be unbelievable.

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Questionmarktarius
08/21/23 3:45:16 PM
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A PS1 and two PS2 games apparently can't fit on a single Switch cart.
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boomgetchopped3
08/21/23 3:45:25 PM
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C-zom posted...
They flat out said that modern consoles/PC will be targeting the same specs -- so 720p and 30fps.

It's a straight-to-port HD collection for $60. Fucking yikes, man. I can't even imagine how bad 720p on my 1440p monitor would look, and the screen tearing at 30fps would be unbelievable.

Wait I thought mgs2 was 60fps on ps2?
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Jagr_68
08/21/23 3:50:01 PM
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Garioshi posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/8/AAYofGAAExX4.jpg
oh my fucking god it's even worse the switch runs mgs2 worse than a console from 23 fucking years ago

Sony always wins.

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C-zom
08/21/23 3:51:44 PM
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boomgetchopped3 posted...
Wait I thought mgs2 was 60fps on ps2?

The HD Collection wasn't. Since Konami is confirming this is the HD Collection ported 1:1, it won't be either.

MGS2 on Ps2 was a technical marvel and the source code got lost. They retooled it for the HDC, but capped it at 30fps because their port wasn't great.

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Mad-Dogg
08/21/23 3:59:22 PM
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C-zom posted...
The HD Collection wasn't. Since Konami is confirming this is the HD Collection ported 1:1, it won't be either.

MGS2 on Ps2 was a technical marvel and the source code got lost. They retooled it for the HDC, but capped it at 30fps because their port wasn't great.
The HD collection most definitely was 60fps on both the PS3 and the xbox 360. Now the vita version? THAT was 30fps. (The frame rate mind you was unstable like a mofo, but they both were fairly consistent 60fps in MGS2, and a bit shaky for MGS3).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poEqykRrxDk

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C-zom
08/21/23 4:02:53 PM
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Mad-Dogg posted...
The HD collection most definitely was 60fps on both the PS3 and the xbox 360. Now the vita version? THAT was 30fps. (The frame rate mind you was unstable like a mofo, but they both were fairly consistent 60fps in MGS2, and a bit shaky for MGS3).

Well, I'm a misinformed idiot then. My bad. I guess you can read the OP in two ways then; either the Switch is getting the handheld/vita port (30fps) and the others will be the "normal" 60fps ports, OR we're all getting the 720p/30fps handheld port. Their wording is probably intentionally vague.

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Garioshi
08/21/23 4:04:29 PM
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C-zom posted...
The HD Collection wasn't. Since Konami is confirming this is the HD Collection ported 1:1, it won't be either.

MGS2 on Ps2 was a technical marvel and the source code got lost. They retooled it for the HDC, but capped it at 30fps because their port wasn't great.
MGS2 HD definitely runs at 60 on the HD collection, though.

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Trelve
08/22/23 2:46:23 AM
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Garioshi posted...
MGS2 HD definitely runs at 60 on the HD collection, though.
It does. It even runs at 60 (for the indoor scenes anyway) on the PS Vita.
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Dark_Arbron
08/22/23 3:11:38 AM
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Plumeofdusk posted...
umm... 30 fps is more cinematic anyway right??

David Cage, is that you?

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