Current Events > Raditz arrives on earth tomorrow

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkfwXX46HY

My guy Tao Pai Pai threw a stone pillar 2300 kilometers and rode it like a surf board, and almost hit Goku in the face with it from that distance. Raditz is way, way, way stronger than this dude.

WingsOfGood posted...

Pretty sure in his introduction he just lets the farmer shoot him.
Guess I need to look it up.

No, he caught the bullet and flicked it back with his thumb, which sent the bullet through the farmer and then through his truck as well, hard enough to knock the truck back a few feet. With a thumb flick.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

While he's not one of the strongest, he's still one of the people who knows how to use ki and fights at a high level. He fell off after Dragon Ball, but never forget that he was as strong as Goku at one point.

When has he ever shown ki manipulation? He is one of the strongest human fighters on earth, but he has never shown any ki use ever. Hes very damn durable and a good fighter. Im not about to say he was ever on Gokus level - neither hurt each other during a single brief exchange, causing Goku to comment on how tough he is, but after Goku takes out Tambourine, Yajirobes reaction is basically Yeah, I dont want to mess with this guy when hes fighting like that.

With all of that said, Yajirobe is much weaker than the other humans during the Saiyan Saga. Probably under 1,000. And he mutilated Vegeta with a power around 150,000 - 160,000. This is a Yajirobe that is not during nuke level damage to anyone.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, he caught the bullet and flicked it back with his thumb, which sent the bullet through the farmer and then through his truck as well, hard enough to knock the truck back a few feet. With a thumb flick.

But what if the projecticle was explosive and released covid laced mustard gas.
That would been it for Raditz.

WingsOfGood posted...

Pretty sure in his introduction he just lets the farmer shoot him.
Guess I need to look it up.

Yes, he was feet away from a dude with a gun and when fired on he caught the bullet and flicked it back. Do you somehow interpret that demonstration in some weird way where you think that some random person is going to have an anthrax covid super bullet from the future just sitting in his pocket waiting for an alien to show up and when gets shot he'll catch heart disease from it?

The_Popo posted...

He is one of the strongest human fighters on earth, but he has never shown any ki use ever.

Ki does more than shooting energy blasts. Ki is literally what makes people in Dragon Ball more powerful than ordinary humans. Even without flight and energy blasts, he's using ki to enhance his body.

WingsOfGood posted...

That would been it for Raditz.

Lol.

No.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Lol.

No.

Yes.
Goes to show he can be hit due to his arrogance.
Unless you suggest his scouter can tell there is a covid laced mustard gas payload.

The_Popo posted...

When has he ever shown ki manipulation? He is one of the strongest human fighters on earth, but he has never shown any ki use ever. Hes very damn durable and a good fighter. Im not about to say he was ever on Gokus level - neither hurt each other during a single brief exchange, causing Goku to comment on how tough he is, but after Goku takes out Tambourine, Yajirobes reaction is basically Yeah, I dont want to mess with this guy when hes fighting like that.

With all of that said, Yajirobe is much weaker than the other humans during the Saiyan Saga. Probably under 1,000. And he mutilated Vegeta with a power around 150,000 - 160,000. This is a Yajirobe that is not during nuke level damage to anyone.

Chapter: 139, P11.4
Context: said after Yajirobe slices Cymbal in two.
Goku: Wowa-amazin!

Chapter: 139, P13.2
Context: after Yajirobe kills Cymbal
Piccolo: Impoimpossible. Does this mean that there are people in this world capable of defeating our Demon Clan warriors!
Piano: Un-unbelievable!

To be fair, a slice from Yajirobe's sword is clearly no ordinary cut from a regular human. As far as his skills, he never directly shows ki manipulation, but Kami says that Yajirobe is stronger than him, and he has nothing else to teach him before Nappa and Vegeta arrive.

WingsOfGood posted...

Unless you suggest his scouter can tell there is a covid laced mustard gas payload.

How much mustard gas do you think it would take to down Raditz? Where is this "covid mustard gas laced payload" coming from, exactly?

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

To be fair, a slice from Yajirobe's sword is clearly no ordinary cut from a regular human. As far as his skills, he never directly shows ki manipulation, but Kami says that Yajirobe is stronger than him, and he has nothing else to teach him before Nappa and Vegeta arrive.

I agree with all of that.

Hope someone's been looking for the dragon balls

Raditz literally came to Earth to finish Goku's job that he failed to do. Raditz can easily handle the Earth lol

ArchonKnight posted...

Nappa and Vegeta only went to Earth because Raditz died

Nappa and Vegeta only came to Earth because they heard about the Dragon Balls through their scouters. If Raditz had been killed and Vegeta hadn't heard about the Dragon Balls he'd have just shrugged and gone on with the rest of his life.

Raditz can dodge the special beam cannon, which is the speed of light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsQMVApkxec

Nukes ain't hitting him. With his scouter he can detect weapons and armed forces miles away. The Saiyans conquered many worlds.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo DBZ Earth =/= IRL Earth. Keep that in mind. Their warfare tech is garbage compared to what exists in the modern day. We know Saiyans cannot exist in a vacuum. We have weapons that can destroy oxygen. Can a Saiyan survive inside the fucking Sun? We have weapons that can create the heat of the sun on Earth. Dude dies to an attack that is barely mountain buster power. He gets his play time and then gets wiped.

Also quit bring dumb Dragon Ball shit into this. Raditz does not exist in Dragon Ball. God knows how much of that series is even canon.

Dr Radek will save us

Pikachuchupika posted...

Nukes ain't hitting him.

Cool story. So, maybe, he avoids a direct blast and instead gets wasted by radiation poisoning instead. Still GG.

WingsOfGood posted...

In Super a literal gun bruises Goku.

This was shit writing as usual. You're right though. However the writing contradicts dragonball where a sniper bullet literally ricochets off an unsuspecting kid Gokus head.

fire_bolt posted...

Can a Saiyan survive inside the f***ing Sun? We have weapons that can create the heat of the sun on Earth. Dude dies to an attack that is barely mountain buster power. He gets his play time and then gets wiped.

Pretty sure tossing guy into sun is how Goku beat a few guys.

fire_bolt posted...

Cool story. So, maybe, he avoids a direct blast and instead gets wasted by radiation poisoning instead. Still GG.

This is why HxH is greater manga than DBZ

Pikachuchupika posted...

Raditz can dodge the special beam cannon, which is the speed of light

Dub line. The actual quote is along the lines of How can he move so fast. If Raditz can travel at light speed, then why did it take Goku a day to travel back along the 1 million km Snake Way, instead of seconds?

Pikachuchupika posted...

Nukes ain't hitting him. With his scouter he can detect weapons and armed forces miles away. The Saiyans conquered many worlds.

Scouters can detect people, or life forms with any energy (ki). Theyve never shown any ability to detect physical items.

Also before someone tries to say they can tank KI blasts so radiation poisoning won't worry them

Bulma is often near when said KI beams blasting. If those produced cancerous radiations like Nukes do she would be dead long ago.

think Raditz could sense drones? Wonder what would happen if they dropped a few of those heat seeking sword missiles on him

fire_bolt posted...

Also quit bring dumb Dragon Ball shit into this. Raditz does not exist in Dragon Ball. God knows how much of that series is even canon.

lmao ok buddy

A Z character can use Ki to make the outsides of their body invulnerable to any outside damage, but the basic rules of biology inside the body apply to most characters aside from Frieza. Assuming Raditz doesn't immediately destroy the Earth, that would be the only opportunity. If Earth forces realize that he can't just simply be shot with a missile, they have many other avenues they can take.

There are many gases militaries can use that could theoretically affect Raditz as long as he breathes it in. Mustard gas was already mentioned, sleep gases, carbon monoxide, other poisonous gases. Any kind of sleep gas to knock him out and it's over. He could be suffocated or drowned.

There are also sonic blasts that could be used to burst his eardrums to make him sick. Won't kill at all, but it would be damage.

Lastly... nukes. People have talked about nukes but I feel they're not giving them enough credit. Modern nukes are WAY stronger than they were in the 40s. Our strongest nuke is the B53 that has a 3.4 mile fire blast. That's massive. Perhaps the destructive force of a nuke wouldn't kill Raditz, but do you know what would...? The heat of the blast. Commonly forgotten about factor of nukes.

The sun's surface is 6,000C. If we can use Cooler as an example, the sun's heat is a threat to even someone like him. The innermost blast of modern nuke's explosion puts out 100,000,000C, 5x hotter even than the sun's core. If we were able to hit Raditz with even one nuke in a direct hit, he would not survive. There wouldn't even be a body. If he somehow survived, the radiation taken at point-blank range would destroy him very soon after. Even if he destroys Earth.

fire_bolt posted...

Also quit bring dumb Dragon Ball shit into this. Raditz does not exist in Dragon Ball. God knows how much of that series is even canon.

I knew I had you tagged appropriately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6VBMdLArJ8

I mean filler but the Saiyans were conquerors wiping out species on several advance Worlds. The entire Earth was at the mercy of Piccolo Daimo, and later the tag team of Goku and Piccolo who both far surpassed Demon King Piccolo were no match for Raditz

GS4Life posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6VBMdLArJ8

I mean filler but the Saiyans were conquerors wiping out species on several advance Worlds. The entire Earth was at the mercy of Piccolo Daimo, and later the tag team of Goku and Piccolo who both far surpassed Demon King Piccolo were no match for Raditz

So this is filler? Cause would be super easy to trick him into doing what he does to a fighter jet but have it filled with death such as nuke, covid, mustard gas you name it.

VFalcone posted...

The sun's surface is 6,000C. If we can use Cooler as an example, the sun's heat is a threat to even someone like him. The innermost blast of modern nuke's explosion puts out 100,000,000C, 5x hotter even than the sun's core. If we were able to hit Raditz with even one nuke in a direct hit, he would not survive. There wouldn't even be a body. If he somehow survived, the radiation taken at point-blank ranged would destroy him very soon after. Even if he destroys Earth.

woah nice info!~

VFalcone posted...

A Z character can use Ki to make the outsides of their body invulnerable to any outside damage, but the basic rules of biology inside the body apply to most characters aside from Frieza. Assuming Raditz doesn't immediately destroy the Earth, that would be the only opportunity. If Earth forces realize that he can't just simply be shot with a missile, they have many other avenues they can take.

There are many gases militaries can use that could theoretically affect Raditz as long as he breathes it in. Mustard gas was already mentioned, sleep gases, carbon monoxide, other poisonous gases. Any kind of sleep gas to knock him out and it's over. He could be suffocated or drowned.

There are also sonic blasts that could be used to burst his eardrums to make him sick. Won't kill at all, but it would be damage.

Lastly... nukes. People have talked about nukes but I feel they're not giving them enough credit. Modern nukes are WAY stronger than they were in the 40s. Our strongest nuke is the B53 that has a 3.4 mile fire blast. That's massive. Perhaps the destructive force of a nuke wouldn't kill Raditz, but do you know what would...? The heat of the blast. Commonly forgotten about factor of nukes.

The sun's surface is 6,000C. If we can use Cooler as an example, the sun's heat is a threat to even someone like him. The innermost blast of modern nuke's explosion puts out 100,000,000C, 5x hotter even than the sun's core. If we were able to hit Raditz with even one nuke in a direct hit, he would not survive. There wouldn't even be a body. If he somehow survived, the radiation taken at point-blank ranged would destroy him very soon after. Even if he destroys Earth.

I still don't understand why you people think a nuke is going to hurt Raditz. We know that Raditz has conquered several worlds, why do you think modern Earth has the most advanced tech out of all those planets he may or may not have destroeyed despite the fact that we see glimpes of those other worlds and they possess spaceships, cyborg tech, healing tanks, and etc. Do you think intergalactic weaponry lagged in advancement compared to modern weaponry despite it being shown that Earth is a bit of an intergalactic backwater? Also, why do you think Raditz can't contend or comprehend with radiation? The dude's been traveling the stars since his childhood. Space is filled to the brim with background radiation, it's a very important factor that's impossible to ignore for viable space travel yet Raditz has managed the feat all of his life. Why do you think a relative backwater planet is going to surprise him with stuff he's been dealing with all of his life?

A_Good_Boy posted...

I still don't understand why you people think a nuke is going to hurt Raditz. We know that Raditz has conquered several worlds, why do you think modern Earth has the most advanced tech out of all those planets he may or may not have destroeyed despite the fact that we see glimpes of those other worlds and they possess spaceships, cyborg tech, healing tanks, and etc. Do you think intergalactic weaponry lagged in advancement compared to modern weaponry despite it being shown that Earth is a bit of an intergalactic backwater? Also, why do you think Raditz can't contend or comprehend with radiation? The dude's been traveling the stars since his childhood. Space is filled to the brim with background radiation, it's a very important factor that's impossible to ignore for viable space travel yet Raditz has managed the feat all of his life. Why do you think a relative backwater planet is going to surprise him with stuff he's been dealing with all of his life?

To be fair, his space ship would presumably protect him from radiation, he's shown no devices on his person that would do the same.

Raditz could easily shoot all of the missles/bombs/etc that we throw at him, and then fly away from the blast radius, assuming he even needs to. If it were so easy to beat these guys with heat or gas, they wouldn't have needed the Z warriors. The world's military could take care of all the bad guys lol.

Enclave posted...

To be fair, his space ship would presumably protect him from radiation, he's shown no devices on his person that would do the same.

Correct. As it did for Bulma when she went to Namek. Or do we think she is all the sudden radiation proof?

Pikachuchupika posted...

Raditz could easily shoot all of the missles/bombs/etc that we throw at him, and then fly away from the blast radius, assuming he even needs to. If it were so easy to beat these guys with heat or gas, they wouldn't have needed the Z warriors. The world's military could take care of all the bad guys lol.

But he wouldn't. We seen the arrogance of these guys fighting military and weaponry they deem as low powered. They not zip zooping in fear.

Also why is there this idea that the rest of the universe has advanced scientific civlizations? Earth appartently was way ahead of everyone else because they had Bulma and Dr.Gero and such.

Most these aliens they fight are neither very advanced in science or even good fighters.

Infact doesn't Super confirm the amount of planets producing fighters of any kind is super duper tiny? Beerus basically chooses earthlings over anyone else minus Frieza.

Also LOL

ya such hardened warrior needed to beat this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJOasrJti1g

WingsOfGood posted...

Correct. As it did for Bulma when she went to Namek. Or do we think she is all the sudden radiation proof?

But he wouldn't. We seen the arrogance of these guys fighting military and weaponry they deem as low powered. They not zip zooping in fear.

Also why is there this idea that the rest of the universe has advanced scientific civlizations? Earth appartently was way ahead of everyone else because they had Bulma and Dr.Gero and such.

Most these aliens they fight are neither very advanced in science or even good fighters.

Infact doesn't Super confirm the amount of planets producing fighters of any kind is super duper tiny? Beerus basically chooses earthlings over anyone else minus Frieza.

Also LOL

ya such hardened warrior needed to beat this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJOasrJti1g

note how Nappa later toys with the Giant Bug that can shoot laser beams out of it's mouth and Vegeta blows up a planet with two fingers

also the reason why there isn't a lot of fighters outside Earth in Super was because Buu, Freeza, and by extension the Saiyans ravaged so much of the Universe. And who knows how many planets with potientially great fighters Beerus eradicated on top of that.

so found this:

As of Age 780, Universe 7 only possesses 28 planets inhabited by mortals, which is mostly due to the massive number of genocides caused by Frieza, Majin Buu and Moro, leading to the extinction of the Tuffles, Arlians, and numerous other races. Despite this, Universe 7 rivals its twin Universe 6 in power. However, due to this, Universe 7 has the second lowest mortal level of the universes participating in the Tournament of Power. 70% of the Universe 7 is controlled by the Frieza Force!

Chances are extremely high Raditz never even met a planet with anything close to a nuke before !

A_Good_Boy posted...

I still don't understand why you people think a nuke is going to hurt Raditz. We know that Raditz has conquered several worlds, why do you think modern Earth has the most advanced tech out of all those planets he may or may not have destroeyed despite the fact that we see glimpes of those other worlds and they possess spaceships, cyborg tech, healing tanks, and etc. Do you think intergalactic weaponry lagged in advancement compared to modern weaponry despite it being shown that Earth is a bit of an intergalactic backwater? Also, why do you think Raditz can't contend or comprehend with radiation? The dude's been traveling the stars since his childhood. Space is filled to the brim with background radiation, it's a very important factor that's impossible to ignore for viable space travel yet Raditz has managed the feat all of his life. Why do you think a relative backwater planet is going to surprise him with stuff he's been dealing with all of his life?

The topic was about IRL earth and IRL earth uses nukes and bioweapons. The DBZ earth does not use those things, because "the Z-fighters become bio-terrorists" would be a weird action shonen story.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Raditz could easily shoot all of the missles/bombs/etc that we throw at him, and then fly away from the blast radius, assuming he even needs to. If it were so easy to beat these guys with heat or gas, they wouldn't have needed the Z warriors. The world's military could take care of all the bad guys lol.

Again, DBZ Earth tech is way shittier than IRL Earth tech unless it is something SPECIFICALLY made my Capsule Corp (and maybe by Red Ribbon Army). DBZ Earth weaponry is junk. Raditz is killed by something several orders of power weaker than our strongest conventional bombs, much less nukes.

Zikten posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/8/AABd5gAAEyvi.jpg A prophecy speaks of a hero who will rise to defend our world

We all need to lend him our energy for a genki shot.

GS4Life posted...

note how Nappa toys with the Giant Bug and Vegeta blows up a planet with two fingers

Arlia was non-canon.

Enclave posted...

Arlia was non-canon.

So do we even have canon showing of them devastating a planet?

Did Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz even ever get the chance to conquer a planet?

As of Age 780, Universe 7 only possesses 28 planets inhabited by mortals, which is mostly due to the massive number of genocides caused by Frieza, Majin Buu and Moro, leading to the extinction of the Tuffles, Arlians, and numerous other races. Despite this, Universe 7 rivals its twin Universe 6 in power. However, due to this, Universe 7 has the second lowest mortal level of the universes participating in the Tournament of Power. 70% of the Universe 7 is controlled by the Frieza Force!

Kinda sounds like universe ran out of planets to terrorize long before Vegeta born.

also wait, isn't this kinda a plot hole? why was Goku sent to one of 28 planets to destroy it?

seems pretty stupid thing to do in hindsight

maybe that why Frieza kill the Saiyans cause they stupid and genociding the universe? But then he does also so...

uhh

A_Good_Boy posted...

I still don't understand why you people think a nuke is going to hurt Raditz. We know that Raditz has conquered several worlds, why do you think modern Earth has the most advanced tech out of all those planets he may or may not have destroeyed despite the fact that we see glimpes of those other worlds and they possess spaceships, cyborg tech, healing tanks, and etc. Do you think intergalactic weaponry lagged in advancement compared to modern weaponry despite it being shown that Earth is a bit of an intergalactic backwater?

Obviously the alien civilizations are fiction and so is Raditz, but this is a hypothetical scenario. I don't necessarily know Toriyama's background but I'm sure he didn't have intimate knowledge of modern military capabilities at when he wrote the episodes. I think that's important, because as writer, his ideas of "advanced" and "powerful" militaries are/were probably much lesser than what even the human military actually is. As seen in DBZ. This is common in almost ALL forms of media featuring our own military actually. Perfect example is how the military is always defeated by zombies. That wouldn't happen in real life lmfao. What I'm saying is, someone who isn't knowledgeable on how powerful a military is will likely undersell how powerful militaries are in a story they make, and applies to fictional militaries even with some sci-fi imagination. The real US military is probably stronger than any military shown in Dragon Ball.

Also, why do you think Raditz can't contend or comprehend with radiation? The dude's been traveling the stars since his childhood. Space is filled to the brim with background radiation, it's a very important factor that's impossible to ignore for viable space travel yet Raditz has managed the feat all of his life. Why do you think a relative backwater planet is going to surprise him with stuff he's been dealing with all of his life?

There's really no way to know if Raditz can survive radiation. What we do know is that all Saiyans travel through space using spaceships that almost certainly block radiation. Pretty much Space Travel Design Must-have 101 (that we know of). Could the alien planets he visited have had radiation on them? Who knows. They coincidentally all had to have breathable oxygen so... a radioactive planet would probably be deemed inhospitable.

Freeza and King Cold's Empire (which the Sayains were a part of) were one of the big reason why there aren't as many planets left by the time Super rolls around

GS4Life posted...

Freeza and King Cold's Empire (which the Sayains were a part of) were one of the big reason why there aren't as many planets left by the time Super rolls around

Point is most planets gone before Raditz and co came to age. Assuming they did conquer at least one planet in their life, chances are it did not have nukes.

But this also dispels the idea that they are hardened planet destroyers who saw all sorts of advanced weaponry. They didn't cause there was barely any left.

GS4Life posted...

Freeza and King Cold's Empire (which the Sayains were a part) were one of the big reason why there aren't as many planets left by the time Super rolls around

I mean this is definitely true but Raditz is also damn near the weakest member of that Force we ever see unless its a full moon, full stop. People are dick riding him HARD forgetting that his only non-Z Fighter interaction if vs a normal ass dude with a shotgun (not even a good gun, a fucking shotgun). Would he stomp the shit out of ANYONE on Earth in a short range fight? Absolutely, no question, unless we're hiding a goddamn ringer somewhere. Hell, he could probably take on the Earth's top 100 hand to hand fighters at the same time without breaking a sweat. Would that save him from our chemical weaponry? Fuck no. Deadass bear mace might put him down. Dude can't even take the pain of having his tail pulled on.

Pretty sure Super just made that "28 planets" shit up anyway. Goku created a spirit bomb the size of a celestial body using the energy of lifeforms in Namek's solar system alone when against Frieza.

VFalcone posted...

Pretty sure Super just made that "28 planets" shit up anyway. Goku created a spirit bomb the size of a celestial body using the energy of lifeforms in Namek's solar system alone when against Frieza.

guess the more we try to make sense of Dragon Ball Z the more we realize it just doesn't make sense which exposes how dumb these arguments really are cause the same dude getting bruised by a regular actual normal gun just move his finger and vaporizes a city? no that doesn't make any sense let alone such vaporization breaks the law of physics to begin with as it produces no shockwave or gas or anything....

guess in the end just let DBZ fans think what they want cause none of it actually has real logic behind it
Edit: I am fan too but not a "hhaha Goku beats everyone! ahahha" type of fan

VFalcone posted...

Pretty sure Super just made that "28 planets" shit up anyway. Goku created a spirit bomb the size of a celestial body using the energy of lifeforms in Namek's solar system alone when against Frieza.

Im in the middle of watch DBZ Kai for the first time ever, as I was curious about the improvements of the English dub. While it is a vast, vast improvement over the original Funi run from the late 90s/early 2000s, they occasionally still just make shit up in it. One such instance is that Goku says he pulled energy from 99.9% of the entire universe for that genki dama vs Freeza.

Its like why? Why change that needlessly?

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yea thinking more the Yajirobe cutting mentioned before just another instance of there is no real logic behind this show

fans will try to retcon it and salvage the logic with "but he MUST have used KI!" except not mentioned or anything so yea....