Current Events > Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

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Reductio ad absurdum. Can you try responding in good faith and acknowledge that shoplifting and murder aren't of similar severity?

"Someone just attempted a hit and run? It's alright, get their plate, arrest them at a later time."

I expected that kind of response. Hence why I put:

Glad to know you hold what she did in a regard where it's absurd to expect the police not to do exactly what you're saying they should. Nice.

Only happened as a result of the initial pursuit and police escalation over shplifting, so "attempted hit and run" isn't applicable to the scenario. If the idiot cop hadn't stepped in front of her vehicle and she drove off, they have her plate number to track her down.

So again:

Shoplifting suspect.
Police approach her vehicle but don't stand in front of it.
Alleged shoplifter drives away.
Police apprehend her later at her home.

See how there's no "attempted hit and run" there?

Based on what I'm reading, she shoplifted, got in her car, cops tried to get her to exit the vehicle, then she accelerated, tried to hit an officer in front of her car and he fired, the bullet hit and she died from her injuries?

Now people are asking why she had to be shot? Should the cop have allowed her to run him over without question? I'm confused here.

Except, in this scenario, she attempted to hit someone with her car.

Allowing suspects to escape is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Even you agreed with it before you realized the rug was pulled out from under you.

That is not saying that they should "just let her go." That is saying to apprehend her at a later time.

In general, most warrantless searches of private premises are prohibited under the Fourth Amendment, unless a specific exception applies. For instance, a warrantless search may be lawful, if an officer has asked and is given consent to search; if the search is incident to a lawful arrest; if there is probable cause to search, and there is exigent circumstance calling for the warrantless search.

Exigent circumstances exist in situations where a situation where people are in imminent danger, where evidence faces imminent destruction, or prior to a suspect's imminent escape.

Im trying to get through your thick head how moronic this line of thinking is.

The police arent going to make their day in court more difficult so that you can go home and destroy the evidence.

"Someone just attempted a hit and run? It's alright, get their plate, arrest them at a later time."

This is basically what actually happens in most real hit & run cases

And for good reason. It ensures the safety of others on the road, and makes it easier to apprehend them when they don't expect it.

You know, I happen to believe a police officer's report more than what some random anti-cop people say on the internet, shockingly.

Why the hell is the cop going around infront of the car ?

To block her exit path, the same way that they would for somebody on foot. The exit path being blocked doesnt mean a suspect on foot is somehow justified to pull out a knife and try to stab the cop to get past them and it doesnt mean this woman was justified in trying to run a cop over to get past them.

Its called tempting fate, a person is more likely to panic and ram forward and as a cop they should NOT be thinking standing infront of car will make them stop if the person is trying to escape.

To block her exit path

This is a stupid, stupid thing for any cop to do in any situation, and should not be permitted or encouraged.

This topic is a fucking trip, lmao. It's incredible how many hoops CE will jump through to defend criminal behavior.

Find me one person who said this woman should have been allowed to steal liquor.

This is why when you see someone shoplifting you keep your fucking mouth shut.

Dont steal. Did anyone have it say it? Your giving birth in 2 months and stealing alcohol. Fair next.

The police arent going to make their day in court more difficult so that you can go home and destroy the evidence.

The woman didnt start trying to escape until she tried to run over a cop.

the cops happened to target and try to stop her.

This topic is a f***ing trip, lmao. It's incredible how many hoops CE will jump through to defend criminal behavior.

a free license to kill people

"Shoplifting deserves death" isn't a tag I thought I'd have to give someone, but there it is.

Dead woman is okay because the police don't want more paperwork is quite the take.

Not surprised at this point, though.

Your inability to understand how she chose to resist arrest and attempted to use her vehicle as a deadly weapon is astounding.

I haven't read the whole topic, is there footage yet? This is a tough one without seeing it go down.

Cops caused her to flee. Cops caused her to die. Cops murdered her.

You keep saying this as if it's relevant to the police having better and safer options to apprehend her. It's not.

And still ignoring the fact that the vehicle can't be used "as a deadly weapon" if the idiot cop never stepped in front of it.

idk man, when a police officer tells you to stop and you instead drive towards another officer, the responsibility falls on you. but i guess you think the police should just nicely ask criminals to behave and leave it at that? what makes you think other means of apprehension would be peacefully successful when this woman demonstrated what she's willing to do in order to evade the consequences of her actions?

edit: someone said "cops caused her to flee". like, on what fucking planet are you from where the decision to flee was not solely the suspect's?

idk man, when a police officer tells you to stop and you instead drive towards another officer, the responsibility falls on you

but i guess you think the police should just nicely ask criminals to behave and leave it at that?

I never said she isn't responsible for her actions. I said she can't perform that action in the first place if the cop didnt put himself in front of her car. How is this so fucking hard for yoy people to understand?

I expect police to not behave like morons and try to body block a fucking car over an extremely petty crime when they can just run the plate number and arrest her later, and with more charges to boot.

If she hit the cop and killed him, she'd go to jail (rightfully) for murder. Because of course, you have no right to not be arrested/detained. And I don't think anyone thinks you should have that right. If the lady shot was instead some less sympathetic to liberal sensibilities, people would immediately change their mind

In fact, we can look at January 6 and think of the lady who immediately (and also rightfully) got shot. Different target, but she was a MAGA, so CE's response was (fuck around/find out).

If a conservative ran over an aggressive-sounding protester in front of their car, nobody would (rightfully) believe their "I was so scared"

Just be aware of your inherent bias. Even if the cops did not act optimally, the fault lies in the person who a. committed the crime b. made a reckless and dangerous action, and really that's the end of it. There's nothing really much more to discuss.

If the cops are lying, which of course, is very possible, sure, we have a different discussion, but there seem to be several different arguments going on, and one seems to be the police shouldn't have the right to stop somebody if that person might hurt them to escape, because if so, then they might have to use deadly force. This is absolutely silly.

then would it be fair to say that none of this would have happened if she didn't steal?

also, is what the officer did against the law, or police protocol in any way?

do you honestly think if they ran her plates and tried to catch her at home she would peacefully surrender without incident?

Except police do it every single day. Police make decisions not to engage or not to pursue or to abandon a pursuit because it isn't worth the risk to the police, bystanders, and the suspect. Part of that assessment is considering how severe the original crime was and how likely they are to be able to apprehend the suspect later.

If the lady shot was instead some less sympathetic to liberal sensibilities, people would immediately change their mind

In fact, we can look at January 6 and think of the lady who immediately (and also rightfully) got shot. Different target, but she was a MAGA, so CE's response was (fuck around/find out).

It doesnt matter how many times you repeat your absurd the cops forced her to try to escape by trying to arrest her bullshit, it will remain bullshit every time.

Is it standard for cops to stand right in front of a fleeing car? Sounds like a good way to force a situation like this. Either the person runs the cop down or they're going to shoot them.

body cam footage is supposed to be released 09/01

Looks like most people itt are more than fine with the cops killing her tho.

Walking in front of a car? What was he wearing? He was probably asking for it