Current Events > Ashton Kutcher and Mila wrote the judge for leniency

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KanWan posted...

Thats not a loaded question, that is literally your rationale falling apart and some weird attempt to not face that and simply move on

Will you condemn Conflict for what they attempted too? Or is that just a matter of something else that requires some same level of nuance that youll say doesnt apply to Ashton or Mila?

Its a small question that really has nothing to do with Materson, but it does speak everything to how CE carries on a conversation

All I know is that I am morally superior to the Kutchers. "Isn't Conflict just as bad for accusing me of sealioning?" is a completely nonsensical question and it's hilarious that you think it proves that no one has a right to ever judge anyone's character.

Rape, murder, abuse, hate. These are not issues where it is proper to go "Everyone has different morals and nuances."

KanWan posted...

Thats not my claim or interest at all, people judge, thats fine the severity of that judgement and how it becomes a valid effort is something I am interested in though

and Id rather do it by logically taking that idea through its paces than something silly like a blanket statement

a blanket statement applied is how we wound up with opinions on Ashton and Mila that either hold
merit or dont depending on who you are

We have a duty to make blanket statements on the morality of rape and support of rapists

You have a duty to reconsider your life choices and maybe some day you'll have a right for anyone to care about your opinions.

Who knew that "rapists are bad people full stop" is such a controversial stance to some people.

Like, what the hell goes through someone's head to see criticism of a rapist and those defending a rapist and go "I better dunk on these fools by questioning how willing they are to make these blanket statements consistently."

Quorthon109 posted...

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1700601012288119236

Someone might need to check if they're being held captive by the Church of Scientology

They were letters of support for a former friend. The trial being over means that any other reasoning you might invent for why they wrote them is entirely irrelevant and only in your own mind.

KanWan posted...

ew, you mean I have to share my opinion with people whose egos are so conflated that they tout themselves as the height of morality on CE?

get off my rock, in fact go back to your room

This dude is really out here trying to empathize with rapists lol

I read the letter. It seems to be more about the rapists kid than anything.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16dwqgx/anyone_seen_this_or_no_more_about_it/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAIzGJAAE046.jpg

I never have any expectation that anyone needs to come out and give a full-throated condemnation of a friend/family member. I used to party at a guy's house (I knew his roommate) who ended up getting busted as a teacher for either statutory rape of a student or some charges for a step before that, I don't actually remember any more. As a not famous person no one ever felt I was compelled to state for the record that I condemned his actions (which I do/did but it was sort of self-evident). But even still, it's obviously difficult to see friend/family do something bad and sometimes the requests for public comment can seem like an attempt at shaming the acquaintances of a guilty party.

But I do think that writing letters of support is an active step of defending so I still think they should be raked over the coals for this.

Glad to see, other than a few crazies, that the general consensus here is that both Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are pieces of shit for this. Hope they deal with whatever consequences follow.

mazingetter posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16dwqgx/anyone_seen_this_or_no_more_about_it/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAIzGJAAE046.jpg

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but this is his former girlfriend who accused him of sexual assault and spoke out against Scientology. She and her husband had two of their dogs killed afterward, most likely by Masterson or someone affiliated with the church.

mazingetter posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16dwqgx/anyone_seen_this_or_no_more_about_it/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAIzGJAAE046.jpg

Oh man. If you read the Reddit thread, people are speculating that Ashton and Danny covered up a murder! This is the thing that happened on February 21, 2001!

Risking it all for a friend

The_Sock posted...

Oh man. If you read the Reddit thread, people are speculating that Ashton and Danny covered up a murder! This is the thing that happened on February 21, 2001!

No the murder was caught and apparently a serial killer who stalked her for days. He just happened to be the one to find the body first and allegedly decided not to report it.

Anteaterking posted...

I never have any expectation that anyone needs to come out and give a full-throated condemnation of a friend/family member. I used to party at a guy's house (I knew his roommate) who ended up getting busted as a teacher for either statutory rape of a student or some charges for a step before that, I don't actually remember any more. As a not famous person no one ever felt I was compelled to state for the record that I condemned his actions (which I do/did but it was sort of self-evident). But even still, it's obviously difficult to see friend/family do something bad and sometimes the requests for public comment can seem like an attempt at shaming the acquaintances of a guilty party.

But I do think that writing letters of support is an active step of defending so I still think they should be raked over the coals for this.

Seriously. The least someone can do is say nothing. They don't need to personally defeat every rapist on Earth, but maybe they could just not support the rapist and call him a role model?

voldothegr8 posted...

No the murder was caught and apparently a serial killer who stalked her for days. He just happened to be the one to find the body first and allegedly decided not to report it.

Oh. Still fucked up anyway.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Who knew that "rapists are bad people full stop" is such a controversial stance to some people.

We might want to be checking for some skeletons in the floors & closets of the people defending that as controversial tbh

KanWan posted...

This conclusion is absolutely nuts

but thats CE for ya I guess lol

I agree that you aren't defending rapists. You just find it laughable or sickening that some CEople think they are high-and-mighty enough to make blanket judgments against rapists. A cultist raping people and getting his character defended is where you decided we need a lecture on nuance and moral relativity.

Idk if it was posted but hey apologized

https://x.com/popbase/status/1700605653172289887?s=46&t=o6tIkkSBRz2o_KdlCGVq5A

Noname12 posted...

Idk if it was posted but hey apologized

https://x.com/popbase/status/1700605653172289887?s=46&t=o6tIkkSBRz2o_KdlCGVq5A

Man, is that what Mila looks like now?

Noname12 posted...

Idk if it was posted but hey apologized

https://x.com/popbase/status/1700605653172289887?s=46&t=o6tIkkSBRz2o_KdlCGVq5A

That's a pretty solid "we're sorry we got caught."

lilORANG posted...

Man, is that what Mila looks like now?

I mean she still looks really good lol. Theyre obviously making themselves look disheveled on purpose

I don't give two shits about Kutcher or Kunis, but as a rule, whenever I get the idea that a celebrity is a good person I temper it by reminding myself that the bad stuff just hasn't come out yet.

That was a perfect response. They explained it but didn't try to justify it. They supported the legitimacy and authority of the court and jury. Most importantly, they acknowledged that it did hurt the victim and apologized for it.

Like I said before, this still reflects poorly on them, and shouldn't be forgotten. But they don't seem like they're actually secretly awful.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

That was a perfect response. They explained it but didn't try to justify it. They supported the legitimacy and authority of the court and jury. Most importantly, they acknowledged that it did hurt the victim and apologized for it.

Like I said before, this still reflects poorly on them, and shouldn't be forgotten. But they don't seem like they're actually secretly awful.

Doesn't matter, they had the option to not write the letter.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

That was a perfect response. They explained it but didn't try to justify it. They supported the legitimacy and authority of the court and jury. Most importantly, they acknowledged that it did hurt the victim and apologized for it.

Like I said before, this still reflects poorly on them, and shouldn't be forgotten. But they don't seem like they're actually secretly awful.

Dog it was scripted and not genuine at all. They didnt even apologize for sticking up for him

They were called on as character witnesses. They described him as the person they had experienced knowing. They weren't denying his actions or claiming "he would never do such a thing." It was never an attempt to help him escape charges.

Again, it's still absolutely a bad look. They deserve more scrutiny over this, Anything they do from now on we should keep this is mind. But I don't think it's on the scale to condemn them as "just as bad."

Let's wait to see if Niesha Trout has anything to say about their statement. If she's not happy with it then maybe there's more to it.

That 70's sexual offender apologist

mazingetter posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16dwqgx/anyone_seen_this_or_no_more_about_it/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAIzGJAAE046.jpg

I would say this needs more investigating because-- is she is being truthful or just blowing smoke?

SimulationSwarm posted...

Dog it was scripted and not genuine at all. They didnt even apologize for sticking up for him

Of course it was scripted. There are clear indicators that it was designed to minimize hurting the victim more. And also, they can't straight up publicly denounce him now. That could literally be used to declare a mistrial and get him out.

I did reread the letters, and they're really a lot worse than I thought. I've lost respect for them. Is anyone following the victim on twitter? She's still fighting for justice.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

That was a perfect response. They explained it but didn't try to justify it. They supported the legitimacy and authority of the court and jury. Most importantly, they acknowledged that it did hurt the victim and apologized for it.

Like I said before, this still reflects poorly on them, and shouldn't be forgotten. But they don't seem like they're actually secretly awful.

the perfect response

mazingetter posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16dwqgx/anyone_seen_this_or_no_more_about_it/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/0/AAIzGJAAE046.jpg

These things alllllways turn up soon as there's a lick of controversy. The cryptic BS is stupid. If she has something why would she bother trying to dangle it under cloak? I dont buy it.

Gritty posted...

the perfect response

Dude watches actors crying on film and that's all it took to convince him the response was perfect.

Yeah, the fact that they're involving Kutcher's date who was murdered has just turned this whole thing into conspiracy theory bullshit now.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Dude watches actors crying on film and that's all it took to convince him the response was perfect.

Ok, that was a sloppy comment. I don't think they could've said much better though. Should they have stayed silent?

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Ok, that was a sloppy comment. I don't think they could've said much better though. Should they have stayed silent?

Other than saying "Writing those letters was a mistake", I don't think they can say anything to take the heat off of them. They said everything right regarding their regret about the letters becoming public and left out the part about deciding to write them while being fully aware of the conviction and the details. They say the letters weren't intended to undermine the victims but that's exactly what they do. You don't strongly emphasize how much someone hated drugs for any other reason than to refute the victims' accusations that he drugged them.

Quorthon109 posted...

Other than saying "Writing those letters was a mistake", I don't think they can say anything to take the heat off of them. They said everything right regarding their regret about the letters becoming public and left out the part about deciding to write them while being fully aware of the conviction and the details. They say the letters weren't intended to undermine the victims but that's exactly what they do. You don't strongly emphasize how much someone hated drugs for any other reason than to refute the victims' accusations that he drugged them.

I'll be honest. I didn't look at the details surrounding the actual rape. I wanted to avoid reading such grossness when the coverup aspect was enough to convince me he was guilty. If it was a drugging that totally recontextualizes those letters. Benefit of the doubt is fading.

I'm not ready to full on cancel them but I'm not gonna defend them anymore. I'll see if there's any updates, but they don't deserve any more rationalizing that could be taken to fuel worse ideas. I mean, there are comments on articles where shitheads are still doubting the rape happened. Or they argue it's he said she said and that it shouldn't be enough to convict. Still.

Ehhh. It's their close friend. Nobody would think it's weird if a family member begged for mercy, I don't see why this is any different. Unless they're trying to like diminish or justify what he did, I really don't have a problem with someone saying, "I love this person dearly, please don't let them die in prison." It's a valid feeling.

if i had a friend or family member that raped ppl

id end my relationship with that person i would not defend them

Man, I love my dad more than I love any human being on this planet and if I were to find out he was a fucking rapist he'd be dead to me. Imagine the feeling of betrayal you'd feel if someone you loved and protected was such a fucking awful sack of shit. That's game over for that relationship to me.

Mila is starting to look more and more like a hag by the daily

Quorthon109 posted...

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1700601012288119236

Someone might need to check if they're being held captive by the Church of Scientology

What, no ukelele?

nexigrams posted...

Ehhh. It's their close friend. Nobody would think it's weird if a family member begged for mercy, I don't see why this is any different. Unless they're trying to like diminish or justify what he did, I really don't have a problem with someone saying, "I love this person dearly, please don't let them die in prison." It's a valid feeling.

I would think it's extremely weird. If it turns out your friend or family member was an evil POS who destroyed a number of lives, you don't get to go "But I love them. Please don't ruin their life." Or you do get to do that, but everyone should judge you harshly for it.

Maybe finding out someone you know is genuinely awful is hard to process, but work through it in private. Don't literally ask a judge for leniency. Don't publicly talk about their good qualities or how their heinous crimes shouldn't define them.