Current Events > Damn, the internet is dragging Ashton Kutcher now

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Pretty sure he did say that on Punk'D

I remember a lot of people waiting on the Olsen twins to turn 18, or saying it like a...joke.

I'm not sure why this particular instance warrants the additional dragging. I've seen letters asking for leniency in worse cases.

hockeybub89 posted...

He's a convicted serial rapist. Were they completely unaware of what was going on and someone told them their friend was in prison for some unknown reason? "He was my friend" is a really bad excuse to ask for leniency on rape.

Like I said, their letters were poorly written and without any thought to the victims at all. I don't think they are bad people for giving a character reference, but the way they approached it was awful.

VampireCoyote posted...

So many people being so transparently performative shouting their opinions about this

like they really need to let people know they are against rape and that if their friend raped somebody omg this is what they would do/wouldnt do

"People who say they don't want to be friends with a rapist are just being performative and insincere"

VampireCoyote posted...

So many people being so transparently performative shouting their opinions about this

like they really need to let people know they are against rape and that if their friend raped somebody omg this is what they would do/wouldnt do

"Fuck rapists and their defenders" isn't a statement where pushback should even exist for anyone to have to respond to.

"Oh so you're perfect and wouldn't stick up for your friends?" I guess I am then.

ThePieReborn posted...

I'm not sure why this particular instance warrants the additional dragging. I've seen letters asking for leniency in worse cases.

I can go ahead and drag them if you want to share.

Yes, I'm going to dox friends and family of convicted murderers and sex offenders whose letters and statements I reviewed as part of my former job as an appellate judicial clerk in evaluating whether a sentence was excessive. Purely so some schmuck on the Internet can grandstand.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Like I said, their letters were poorly written and without any thought to the victims at all. I don't think they are bad people for giving a character reference, but the way they approached it was awful.

Are people legally compelled to give a character reference? If one of my favorite co-workers turns out to be a serial killer, do I need to list their good attributes if prompted?

Incredible posted...

Come to think of it, Mila Kunis was 14 when she was first cast in That 70s Show, right? Ashton was 18 and weren't they making out and shit?

Seniors in high school date freshman. If they stay together, then at some point they are a senior in college dating a senior in high school.

My prom had a wild age range because, due to this reason, they let 23 year olds attend prom.

So you had at least 100 girls dating college age guys, and 100 guys dating freshman age girls. So technically you had groups of Prom parties riding in limos that had 23 year old men, and 14 year old girls in it.

Seems weird now, but at the time it was just the normal progression of things. Even I was guilty of it.

When I was a senior in high school I dated a few freshman girls, so I was 17 and they were 14, then I turned 18 and they turned 15, but occasionally there would be some overlap. When I was 22 I started dating an 18 year old I had met at a frat party, and I assumed was attending the university, but turns out she was still in high school.

Its really not that uncommon.

Edit: There are some areas of the United States that have no middle school. Usually for population/funding reasons. To my understanding it goes K-7, and 8-12. In which case that prom night example can get even more sketch.

STEROLIZER posted...

Seniors in high school date freshman.

No, they don't. Some do, but they're considered weirdos. Even a senior dating a sophomore is looked down upon.

STEROLIZER posted...

When I was a senior in high school I dated a few freshman girls, so I was 17 and they were 14

You're not helping your case here.

STEROLIZER posted...

When I was a senior in high school I dated a few freshman girls, so I was 17 and they were 14, then I turned 18 and they turned 15, but occasionally there would be some overlap. When I was 22 I started dating an 18 year old I had met at a frat party, and I assumed was attending the university, but turns out she was still in high school.

Its really not that uncommon.

Ashton was 19 and Mila was 14. He would have been at least a full year out of high school and she potentially hadn't even started it yet.

There was a junior/senior guy in HS who only dated freshmen girls, everyone called him the "freshman rapist" for obvious reasons.

hockeybub89 posted...

Are people legally compelled to give a character reference? If one of my favorite co-workers turns out to be a serial killer, do I need to list their good attributes if prompted?

First of all, what if you don't think they did it? Regardless of a court giving them a conviction, what if you legitimately think your friend is innocent? It's easy to throw stones when we all know 100% know and have no question of guilt.

Second of all if a loved one did something terrible 20 years ago and has since shown to be a good person since, would you want the judge to know that so maybe they have the opportunity for some sort of chance at anything beyond 30 years in prison?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

First of all, what if you don't think they did it? Regardless of a court giving them a conviction, what if you legitimately think your friend is innocent?

Then you're naive

Incredible posted...

No, they don't. Some do, but they're considered weirdos.

Not my school. The entire football team for instance. In general it seems to be common practice for girls want to date older, and for men to date younger.

I remember it being tough to get a girlfriend as an underclassmen because they all dated the grades above them.

Even as a senior it was difficult to date someone your own age because they dated college age dudes.

Even a senior dating a sophomore is looked down upon.

Definitely not at my school.

You're not helping your case here.

I went to ASU, and it was pretty common place for the incoming male freshman to still have girlfriends attending high school, and the incoming female freshman to have had chosen ASU because their boyfriends went there.

I cant speak for your schools, but that was definitely how it worked at mine. As a teenager you dont really notice these things. I certainly never gave it any attention.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Second of all if a loved one did something terrible 20 years ago and has since shown to be a good person since, would you want the judge to know that so maybe they have the opportunity for some sort of chance at anything beyond 30 years in prison?

You think what he did was any less heinous because he did it 20 years ago? Did the people he hurt suffer any less because it happened 20 years ago? I'm not writing shit for anyone who forcefully takes someone's agency away and leaves them with mental trauma like that. Be better, god damn

ThePieReborn posted...

Yes, I'm going to dox friends and family of convicted murderers and sex offenders whose letters and statements I reviewed as part of my former job as an appellate judicial clerk in evaluating whether a sentence was excessive. Purely so some schmuck on the Internet can grandstand.

Jeez bro. I just thought that you were talking about publicly known cases that people ignored. You seem a little too invested in people shitting on rapists.

Incredible posted...

No, they don't. Some do, but they're considered weirdos. Even a senior dating a sophomore is looked down upon.

I got curious so I did a Google and found this article on Slate.com

Boys and girls in the same grade account for about 42 percent of relationships, while older boys dating younger girls make up 40 percent of high-school relationships, and older girls dating younger boys make up 18 percent.

And who does the high-school dating system disadvantage most, statistically? Senior girls, at least according to the skew between stated sexual preferences and actual sexual activity. Though that will undoubtedly come as cold comfort to those legions of lonely 14-year-old boys.

I assume that senior girls are statistically low because the study only measured relationships where both parties went to the same school, so if they were dating college guys, then it wouldnt have factored into the study.

Source: https://slate.com/business/2010/11/a-study-confirms-every-suspicion-you-ever-had-about-high-school-dating.html

STEROLIZER posted...

I got curious so I did a Google and found this article on Slate.com

You are WAY too invested in researching and defending which age groups of kids are allowed to fuck each other.

TMOG posted...

You are WAY too invested in researching and defending which age groups of kids are allowed to fuck each other.

Wait what? Is that the argument? I thought we were just discussing random stuff for the sake of boredom.

Whos my opposition? You? If so, then what is your stance?

his non showering stankin ass deserves it for calling a rapist a role model

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

First of all, what if you don't think they did it? Regardless of a court giving them a conviction, what if you legitimately think your friend is innocent? It's easy to throw stones when we all know 100% know and have no question of guilt.

Second of all if a loved one did something terrible 20 years ago and has since shown to be a good person since, would you want the judge to know that so maybe they have the opportunity for some sort of chance at anything beyond 30 years in prison?

Masterson could have come forward willingly at any point in the last 20 years if he was a changed, remorseful person. He did not.

And I guess if I was delusional enough to ignore evidence and victims because I refuse to believe my friend could be a rapist, maybe I would defend them. I'm thankful I don't live in that reality.

STEROLIZER posted...

Wait what? Is that the argument? I thought we were just discussing random stuff for the sake of boredom.

Whos my opposition? You? If so, then what is your stance?

Well, since you didnt reply, and have no idea what your stance is on high school relationships, Ill share mine.

As a kid I didnt think anything of it, and have to imagine kids today have a similar mentality. As a father (of a daughter), Id definitely prefer kids date around their own age.

In general, Id support a school policy that states there can only be a one year difference for high school relationships. I am not sure how that would be enforced outside of the school monitoring /segregating school functions. However, Id vote for it nonetheless.

Id probably disuade my daughter from dating anyone outside her own grade to be honest. Her mother would probably fight me on that and Id lose but damnit Id try. I know what that college kid has on his mindand it aint prom

His show on Netflix was pretty bad so I'm ok with this

Dude has saved tons of kids from being trafficked over the years and now is getting steamrolled lol

When I was in highschool, upperclassmen going after Freshmen were definitely frowned upon/called out.

Kitt posted...

When I was in highschool, upperclassmen going after Freshmen were definitely frowned upon/called out.

Yup, same. One senior dude in my thespian troupe did it, and the shit that got talked behind his back...

I've never seen That 70's Show.

Xenogears15 posted...

Yup, same. One senior dude in my thespian troupe did it, and the shit that got talked behind his back...

And it was always the creepiest fucking dudes doing it too. I had a friend that dated this Russian senior dude when she was a freshmen and he became incredibly obsessed, and started stalking her/making threats after she broke it off with him.

And then there was this other guy that we called a Super Senior (because he got kept back a couple of times) and a future school shooter because he was a complete social pariah with a horrible "I hate everyone equally" type of attitude and wore this long leather jacket everyday.
Dude only went after Freshman girls that were easily manipulated. Literally everyone hated this dude.

The clip from Punk'd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcFBORXb6k

Hollywood was notorious in the 00s for celebs grooming teens with drugs and alcohol and they thought it was completely normal. Hell all of Hollywood history is filled with pedos. It's good that the internet is stepping up for it nowadays. It's just a bit too late for the ones like Kutcher who isn't actively working anymore so it's not like anything can be done to him.

STEROLIZER posted...

Seniors in high school date freshman. If they stay together, then at some point they are a senior in college dating a senior in high school.

My prom had a wild age range because, due to this reason, they let 23 year olds attend prom.

So you had at least 100 girls dating college age guys, and 100 guys dating freshman age girls. So technically you had groups of Prom parties riding in limos that had 23 year old men, and 14 year old girls in it.

Seems weird now, but at the time it was just the normal progression of things. Even I was guilty of it.

When I was a senior in high school I dated a few freshman girls, so I was 17 and they were 14, then I turned 18 and they turned 15, but occasionally there would be some overlap. When I was 22 I started dating an 18 year old I had met at a frat party, and I assumed was attending the university, but turns out she was still in high school.

Its really not that uncommon.

Edit: There are some areas of the United States that have no middle school. Usually for population/funding reasons. To my understanding it goes K-7, and 8-12. In which case that prom night example can get even more sketch.

Yeah this was pretty normal when you break it down like that when you're a senior in highschool. Usually I saw girls that were 16 dating guys who were 19-21 mostly not the 18 and 14. It's wrong overall yeah, but it's also not unheard of at least back in the 00s. Idk about today.

A bunch of states have Romeo and Juliet laws where seniors can bang freshmen and it's still legal.

NeonTentacles posted...

A bunch of states have Romeo and Juliet laws where seniors can bang freshmen and it's still legal.

It was super normal at the schools in my area, but this was early 2000's

Thats crazy how that clip was 2003

Reminds me of when CE literally had a countdown topic for when Miley Cyrus turned 18 >_> That was weird lol

HorsemnBusiness posted...

Yeah this was pretty normal when you break it down like that when you're a senior in highschool. Usually I saw girls that were 16 dating guys who were 19-21 mostly not the 18 and 14. It's wrong overall yeah, but it's also not unheard of at least back in the 00s. Idk about today.

I also went to very big high school. My Junior year they took half the freshman, and half the sophomores (based on location) and made them the inaugural class of a brand new school. Then they did it again a year later to kick start another school.

Originally the senior class at my school when I was an incoming Freshman had well over 1,000 kids. I think my class was around the 800 mark. I remember sitting next to two people as I wait to grab my diploma having never before met them in my entire life, only to find out we did four years together.

At my high school, in Utah, some of the girls were engaged to be married. Their fiancees were college-age men coming back from their church missions. It was pretty common. Probably still is.

People are either ignorant or have selective amnesia when it comes to how young teen actresses were treated and talked about back in the 90s and early 2000s.

Did people not grow up in the 90's? A lot of what has been said wasn't exactly uncommon back then.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/0/AAbtL8AAE1N2.jpg

Eww

His face in the bottom corner is 100% demonic. This man is demon possessed