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darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:17:07 PM #351:	Punished_Blinx posted... That open world games with barely any story sell ridiculously well? Ah now you pivot from detailed world to story. Ironic in that all the padding doesn't enhance FF7 story it messes it up. Not to mention no dev ever cited the story as being an issue cause it never was. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141031] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Punished_Blinx posted... </cite><quote>That open world games with barely any story sell ridiculously well?</quote>Ah now you pivot from detailed world to story. Ironic in that all the padding doesn't enhance FF7 story it messes it up. Not to mention no dev ever cited the story as being an issue cause it never was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 09/17/23 11:18:08 PM #352:	darkphoenix181 posted... The original is one game. The point of bringing up padding is to justify there being 3 games coming out of one game. The original is one game with padding But that 1 game with padding being split into 3 games with padding is a problem? <cite>PowerOats posted [p:976141044] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite><quote>The original is one game. The point of bringing up padding is to justify there being 3 games coming out of one game. </quote>The original is one game with paddingBut that 1 game with padding being split into 3 games with padding is a problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/17/23 11:19:08 PM #353:	darkphoenix181 posted... The original is one game. The point of bringing up padding is to justify there being 3 games coming out of one game. Well when you've already made up your mind like this, I don't think any kind of expanded content would be acceptable to you. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976141057] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>The original is one game. The point of bringing up padding is to justify there being 3 games coming out of one game.</quote>Well when you've already made up your mind like this, I don't think any kind of expanded content would be acceptable to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/17/23 11:19:10 PM #354:	darkphoenix181 posted... Ah now you pivot from detailed world to story. Ironic in that all the padding doesn't enhance FF7 story it messes it up. Not to mention no dev ever cited the story as being an issue cause it never was. I haven't pivoted to anything. You brought up Elden Ring not me. I don't know why you brought it up. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976141058] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Ah now you pivot from detailed world to story. Ironic in that all the padding doesn't enhance FF7 story it messes it up. Not to mention no dev ever cited the story as being an issue cause it never was.</quote>I haven't pivoted to anything. You brought up Elden Ring not me. I don't know why you brought it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:19:27 PM #355:	BakonBitz posted... This is not about what Square said back then, it's a fact. And Elden Ring does not have the same kind of presentation as other AAA games these days are you kidding me? It doesn't even have the same storytelling as lower-budget jRPGs. Lol, look at that. Another person when confronted with the truth pivots from the "detailed world" to story. FF7 story was done so why are you even bringing it up? Not like they had to write anything for it. But Elden Ring world is detailed and beautiful and expansive. It is just like you imagine a ps1 era world map to be in 3D. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141066] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>This is not about what Square said back then, it's a fact.And Elden Ring does not have the same kind of presentation as other AAA games these days are you kidding me? It doesn't even have the same storytelling as lower-budget jRPGs.</quote>Lol, look at that. Another person when confronted with the truth pivots from the "detailed world" to story. FF7 story was done so why are you even bringing it up? Not like they had to write anything for it. But Elden Ring world is detailed and beautiful and expansive. It is just like you imagine a ps1 era world map to be in 3D.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 09/17/23 11:20:32 PM #356:	And also, Remake is a Remade sequel, not a 1:1 remake, it doesn't have to follow any rules <cite>PowerOats posted [p:976141086] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>And also, Remake is a Remade sequel, not a 1:1 remake, it doesn't have to follow any rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/17/23 11:21:21 PM #357:	darkphoenix181 posted... It is just like you imagine a ps1 era world map to be in 3D. What on Earth are you talking about? Like did you notice that friendly NPC's never actually walk? That the entire world is supposed to feel dead? It's remarkably obvious the shortcuts that they took in order to have the game they wanted to make. Absolutely none of which would apply to a remake of a PS1 JRPG that have numerous NPC's, towns and cities filled with life. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976141101] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>It is just like you imagine a ps1 era world map to be in 3D.</quote>What on Earth are you talking about? Like did you notice that friendly NPC's never actually walk? That the entire world is supposed to feel dead? It's remarkably obvious the shortcuts that they took in order to have the game they wanted to make. Absolutely none of which would apply to a remake of a PS1 JRPG that have numerous NPC's, towns and cities filled with life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HudGard 09/17/23 11:21:34 PM #358:	Doesnt matter. My oooonly concern would be if cool shit doesnt show up again. Like is the Nail Bat gone forever now or will you reacquire it. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>HudGard posted [p:976141107] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Doesnt matter. My oooonly concern would be if cool shit doesnt show up again. Like is the Nail Bat gone forever now or will you reacquire it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:22:52 PM #359:	hockeybub89 posted... Well when you've already made up your mind like this, I don't think any kind of expanded content would be acceptable to you. I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2. But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141135] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>Well when you've already made up your mind like this, I don't think any kind of expanded content would be acceptable to you.</quote>I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2.But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:23:42 PM #360:	PowerOats posted... And also, Remake is a Remade sequel, not a 1:1 remake, it doesn't have to follow any rules No silly. It has to follow every single individual rule that any given gamer has decided on, or else its anti-consumer cashgrab trash. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141151] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>PowerOats posted... </cite><quote>And also, Remake is a Remade sequel, not a 1:1 remake, it doesn't have to follow any rules</quote>No silly. It has to follow every single individual rule that any given gamer has decided on, or else its anti-consumer cashgrab trash. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:24:44 PM #361:	darkphoenix181 posted... I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2. But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things. Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141171] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2.But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things.</quote>Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:25:35 PM #362:	Zonbei posted... Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding. There is difference between "they did it this way because shareholders said 1 full game wouldn't make enough money!" and "it is too hard to make 3D environments like ps1 had!" <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141188] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Zonbei posted... </cite><quote>Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding.</quote>There is difference between "they did it this way because shareholders said 1 full game wouldn't make enough money!" and "it is too hard to make 3D environments like ps1 had!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/17/23 11:26:48 PM #363:	thronedfire2 posted... so what games are it because of? because FF16 is their only recent huge investment besides FF7:R which sold very well. Forspoken (which they called a failure despite it selling a million more copies than 16), and Avengers are two big ones. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976141209] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>so what games are it because of? because FF16 is their only recent huge investment besides FF7:R which sold very well.</quote>Forspoken (which they called a failure despite it selling a million more copies than 16), and Avengers are two big ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/17/23 11:28:31 PM #364:	Zonbei posted... Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding. This, honestly. It's seen as a waste of development time to make an entirely brand new environment with new assets that the player will only spend a minute or two in, unless you cut down your budget. This is what I mean by game development being more complicated and bigger-scale now than it used to be. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976141232] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Zonbei posted... </cite><quote>Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding.</quote>This, honestly. It's seen as a waste of development time to make an entirely brand new environment with new assets that the player will only spend a minute or two in, unless you cut down your budget. This is what I mean by game development being more complicated and bigger-scale now than it used to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:30:21 PM #365:	You know this just reminded me of something. Way back in 2015 or 2016 when we first got info on the parts, many people though part 1 was going to be a short game like an episode of a Telltale game. People though this was great and was so Square could sell it for like $20 and get their money fast for developing say Midgar. Later on the whole "each part is a full game!" was told. Then of course people shifted their mindsets to defend the why. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141264] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>You know this just reminded me of something. Way back in 2015 or 2016 when we first got info on the parts, many people though part 1 was going to be a short game like an episode of a Telltale game. People though this was great and was so Square could sell it for like $20 and get their money fast for developing say Midgar.Later on the whole "each part is a full game!" was told. Then of course people shifted their mindsets to defend the why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 09/17/23 11:32:36 PM #366:	darkphoenix181 posted... I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2. But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things. What padding? Side quests? Mini games? Reasons to to do anything beyond the main questline? In OG you go through all the BS to get Cloud in a dress. Is that padding? You can choose to take the stairs at shinra. Is that padding? There's like 3 whole side objectives to reach the upper floors, too,bus that padding. People complain when games are on rails the whole way through likev FFXIII. 13 had virtually no padding, no towns (padding), small side quests almost all at endgame, and a medium sized field for fights and exploration. And people HATED IT. On that note, I wouldn't have minded a OG world map in Rebirth and it zoomed in if a event or fight occured <cite>PowerOats posted [p:976141306] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite><quote>I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original. They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2.But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things.</quote>What padding? Side quests? Mini games? Reasons to to do anything beyond the main questline?In OG you go through all the BS to get Cloud in a dress. Is that padding?You can choose to take the stairs at shinra. Is that padding? There's like 3 whole side objectives to reach the upper floors, too,bus that padding.People complain when games are on rails the whole way through likev FFXIII. 13 had virtually no padding, no towns (padding), small side quests almost all at endgame, and a medium sized field for fights and exploration. And people HATED IT. On that note, I wouldn't have minded a OG world map in Rebirth and it zoomed in if a event or fight occured</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:33:40 PM #367:	PowerOats posted... What padding? This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141324] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>PowerOats posted... </cite><quote>What padding?</quote>This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 09/17/23 11:34:27 PM #368:	darkphoenix181 posted... You know this just reminded me of something. Way back in 2015 or 2016 when we first got info on the parts, many people though part 1 was going to be a short game like an episode of a Telltale game. People though this was great and was so Square could sell it for like $20 and get their money fast for developing say Midgar. Later on the whole "each part is a full game!" was told. Then of course people shifted their mindsets to defend the why. Is paying 20$ a year for 8 years that much different than paying 180-200 over 8 years <cite>PowerOats posted [p:976141335] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite><quote>You know this just reminded me of something. Way back in 2015 or 2016 when we first got info on the parts, many people though part 1 was going to be a short game like an episode of a Telltale game. People though this was great and was so Square could sell it for like $20 and get their money fast for developing say Midgar.Later on the whole "each part is a full game!" was told. Then of course people shifted their mindsets to defend the why.</quote>Is paying 20$ a year for 8 years that much different than paying 180-200 over 8 years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 09/17/23 11:34:41 PM #369:	darkphoenix181 posted... This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7? 9 was my first in 2000, played 7 in like 2012 <cite>PowerOats posted [p:976141341] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite><quote>This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7?</quote>9 was my first in 2000, played 7 in like 2012</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:35:13 PM #370:	darkphoenix181 posted... There is difference between "they did it this way because shareholders said 1 full game wouldn't make enough money!" and "it is too hard to make 3D environments like ps1 had!" Nobody said that second thing. You need to learn to read. Anyways, youre correct there is a difference. The whole issue here is that youre assuming that first thing is the truth, despite the fact you have zero evidence of that. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141348] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>There is difference between "they did it this way because shareholders said 1 full game wouldn't make enough money!" and "it is too hard to make 3D environments like ps1 had!"</quote>Nobody said that second thing. You need to learn to read. Anyways, youre correct there is a difference. The whole issue here is that youre assuming that first thing is the truth, despite the fact you have zero evidence of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lukey_Bug 09/17/23 11:37:01 PM #371:	darkphoenix181 posted... This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7? You can't be serious cause apparently you stopped reading his post after "what padding?" --- I don't want this man's life, I want his sandwiches. <cite>Lukey_Bug posted [p:976141389] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7?</quote>You can't be serious cause apparently you stopped reading his post after "what padding?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kurt_Russel 09/17/23 11:37:12 PM #372:	Wow, it doesnt? That sucks. I put some effort into getting the summons and whatnot. Sorry, its news to me. Been at work all day. --- You gonna do something or just stand there and bleed? <cite>Kurt_Russel posted [p:976141392] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Wow, it doesnt? That sucks. I put some effort into getting the summons and whatnot. Sorry, its news to me. Been at work all day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:39:20 PM #373:	Kurt_Russel posted... Wow, it doesnt? That sucks. I put some effort into getting the summons and whatnot. Sorry, its news to me. Been at work all day. You get Leviathan and I think Ramuh if you have a FF7 Remake save, if that helps. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141423] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Kurt_Russel posted... </cite><quote>Wow, it doesnt? That sucks. I put some effort into getting the summons and whatnot. Sorry, its news to me. Been at work all day.</quote>You get Leviathan and I think Ramuh if you have a FF7 Remake save, if that helps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:40:06 PM #374:	But here, this is padding. ~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr9YUoDlQE~~ It is a fetch quest that exists for one thing only, to pad how long they can say part 1 is. It could not exist and they wouldn't have had to waste time to develop it and used that time to get the Remake remade quicker. And this how a 4 hour segment in OG FF7 became a "50 hour game". Like I would be ok with that part getting a bit longer, but doing that through forgettable fetch quests, that is objectively padding. And it is just one of many. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141436] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>But here, this is padding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr9YUoDlQEIt is a fetch quest that exists for one thing only, to pad how long they can say part 1 is. It could not exist and they wouldn't have had to waste time to develop it and used that time to get the Remake remade quicker.And this how a 4 hour segment in OG FF7 became a "50 hour game". Like I would be ok with that part getting a bit longer, but doing that through forgettable fetch quests, that is objectively padding. And it is just one of many.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/17/23 11:41:34 PM #375:	PraetorXyn posted... Forspoken (which they called a failure despite it selling a million more copies than 16), and Avengers are two big ones. Where are you getting that Forspoken sold 4 million? When did it reach that figure? --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976141460] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Forspoken (which they called a failure despite it selling a million more copies than 16), and Avengers are two big ones.</quote>Where are you getting that Forspoken sold 4 million? When did it reach that figure? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lukey_Bug 09/17/23 11:42:11 PM #376:	darkphoenix181 posted... But here, this is padding. ~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr9YUoDlQE~~ It is a fetch quest that exists for one thing only, to pad how long they can say part 1 is. It could not exist and they wouldn't have had to waste time to develop it and used that time to get the Remake remade quicker. And this how a 4 hour segment in OG FF7 became a "50 hour game". Like I would be ok with that part getting a bit longer, but doing that through forgettable fetch quests, that is objectively padding. Then don't do them? They're entirely optional. You know like every other sidequest in every other rpg. --- I don't want this man's life, I want his sandwiches. <cite>Lukey_Bug posted [p:976141469] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>But here, this is padding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr9YUoDlQEIt is a fetch quest that exists for one thing only, to pad how long they can say part 1 is. It could not exist and they wouldn't have had to waste time to develop it and used that time to get the Remake remade quicker.And this how a 4 hour segment in OG FF7 became a "50 hour game". Like I would be ok with that part getting a bit longer, but doing that through forgettable fetch quests, that is objectively padding.</quote>Then don't do them? They're entirely optional. You know like every other sidequest in every other rpg. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:45:15 PM #377:	Lukey_Bug posted... Then don't do them? They're entirely optional. You know like every other sidequest in every other rpg. I participate in society. How curious! Glad you supported my argument. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141505] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Lukey_Bug posted... </cite><quote>Then don't do them? They're entirely optional. You know like every other sidequest in every other rpg.</quote>I participate in society. How curious!Glad you supported my argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 09/17/23 11:48:59 PM #378:	I have no idea why TC's opinion has warranted almost 400 posts of heated debate. <cite>MrMallard posted [p:976141552] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>I have no idea why TC's opinion has warranted almost 400 posts of heated debate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lukey_Bug 09/17/23 11:49:35 PM #379:	darkphoenix181 posted... I participate in society. How curious! Glad you supported my argument. Okay...not sure what Im supposed to take away from that but you do you buddy. Have fun --- I don't want this man's life, I want his sandwiches. <cite>Lukey_Bug posted [p:976141561] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>I participate in society. How curious!Glad you supported my argument.</quote>Okay...not sure what Im supposed to take away from that but you do you buddy. Have fun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VirtuousWrath 09/17/23 11:50:38 PM #380:	Paying $180 to do the same fetch quests 3 times --- "I sung of chaos and eternal night, taught by the heav'nly muse to venture down the dark descent, and up to reascend... <cite>VirtuousWrath posted [p:976141578] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Paying $180 to do the same fetch quests 3 times </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:50:50 PM #381:	Lukey_Bug posted... Okay...not sure what Im supposed to take away from that but you do you buddy. Have fun Your response wasn't "that is not padding!" but instead "don't do them then!" So they are padding but you want me to not do them. Yes I participate in society. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141582] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Lukey_Bug posted... </cite><quote>Okay...not sure what Im supposed to take away from that but you do you buddy. Have fun</quote>Your response wasn't "that is not padding!" but instead "don't do them then!" So they are padding but you want me to not do them. Yes I participate in society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/17/23 11:52:09 PM #382:	Punished_Blinx posted... Where are you getting that Forspoken sold 4 million? When did it reach that figure? I heard someone say it sometime in the last week and believed it. That doesnt seem to be the case, so thats my bad. I cant find any numbers whatsoever, so I think it may stem from this article: https://tinyurl.com/4f9b6rcv When I googled Forspoken 4 million units I found this, which lists it as an estimated figure for Sonic Frontiers and talks about Forspoken in the same article. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976141599] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Punished_Blinx posted... </cite><quote>Where are you getting that Forspoken sold 4 million? When did it reach that figure?</quote>I heard someone say it sometime in the last week and believed it. That doesnt seem to be the case, so thats my bad.I cant find any numbers whatsoever, so I think it may stem from this article:https://tinyurl.com/4f9b6rcvWhen I googled Forspoken 4 million units I found this, which lists it as an estimated figure for Sonic Frontiers and talks about Forspoken in the same article. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:52:50 PM #383:	VirtuousWrath posted... Paying $180 to do the same fetch quests 3 times Part 1: $60 Dlc: $20 Part 2: $70 Dlc2: $30 Part 3: $80 Dlc3: $40 Part 4: ?? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141612] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>VirtuousWrath posted... </cite><quote>Paying $180 to do the same fetch quests 3 times</quote>Part 1: $60 Dlc: $20 Part 2: $70 Dlc2: $30 Part 3: $80 Dlc3: $40 Part 4: ??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:54:05 PM #384:	darkphoenix181 posted... I participate in society. How curious! Glad you supported my argument. You are not using that meme correctly. Which at this point isnt very surprising. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141640] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>I participate in society. How curious!Glad you supported my argument.</quote>You are not using that meme correctly. Which at this point isnt very surprising. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:54:34 PM #385:	Zonbei posted... You are not using that meme correctly. Which at this point isnt very surprising. So you don't understand it. Gotcha. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141648] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Zonbei posted... </cite><quote>You are not using that meme correctly. Which at this point isnt very surprising.</quote>So you don't understand it. Gotcha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lukey_Bug 09/17/23 11:55:45 PM #386:	darkphoenix181 posted... Your response wasn't "that is not padding!" but instead "don't do them then!" So they are padding but you want me to not do them. Yes I participate in society. I don't want you to not do them I want you to shut up about "padding" Just cause early nes/snes/PS1 Rpgs didnt have a lot that was only because of storage limitations. You can bet your ass if FF7 released on PS2 or later it would've had all kinds of pointless sidequests. Also wtf does "I participate in society" even fucking mean? You keep saying it but it makes no sense in this discussion. --- I don't want this man's life, I want his sandwiches. <cite>Lukey_Bug posted [p:976141662] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Your response wasn't "that is not padding!" but instead "don't do them then!" So they are padding but you want me to not do them. Yes I participate in society.</quote>I don't want you to not do them I want you to shut up about "padding" Just cause early nes/snes/PS1 Rpgs didnt have a lot that was only because of storage limitations. You can bet your ass if FF7 released on PS2 or later it would've had all kinds of pointless sidequests.Also wtf does "I participate in society" even fucking mean? You keep saying it but it makes no sense in this discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/17/23 11:55:49 PM #387:	PraetorXyn posted... I heard someone say it sometime in the last week and believed it. That doesnt seem to be the case, so thats my bad. I cant find any numbers whatsoever, so I think it may stem from this article: https://tinyurl.com/4f9b6rcv When I googled Forspoken 4 million units I found this, which lists it as an estimated article for Sonic Fromtiers and talks about Forspoken in the same article. The only way it outsold FFXVI is if it was sold at bargain bin prices. FFXVI has already made more money than Forspoken in the US. https://twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1702685057658524135 --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976141663] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>I heard someone say it sometime in the last week and believed it. That doesnt seem to be the case, so thats my bad.I cant find any numbers whatsoever, so I think it may stem from this article:https://tinyurl.com/4f9b6rcvWhen I googled Forspoken 4 million units I found this, which lists it as an estimated article for Sonic Fromtiers and talks about Forspoken in the same article.</quote>The only way it outsold FFXVI is if it was sold at bargain bin prices. FFXVI has already made more money than Forspoken in the US. https://twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1702685057658524135 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/17/23 11:57:31 PM #388:	darkphoenix181 posted... So you don't understand it. Gotcha. No, I fully understand the meme, which is why Im telling you youre using it wrong. That meme is for when someone doesnt have a real choice except to participate in the thing theyre saying is bad. It cant be used for OPTIONAL sidequests. Fucking obviously. The irony of you claiming I dont understand it while you blatantly misuse it while missing the entire point of the meme is hilarious. And you didnt even say it right, smdh. And you said it from the perspective of the person whos wrong in the meme? I dunno its a fucking mess of a post. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141687] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>So you don't understand it. Gotcha.</quote>No, I fully understand the meme, which is why Im telling you youre using it wrong. That meme is for when someone doesnt have a real choice except to participate in the thing theyre saying is bad. It cant be used for OPTIONAL sidequests. Fucking obviously. The irony of you claiming I dont understand it while you blatantly misuse it while missing the entire point of the meme is hilarious. And you didnt even say it right, smdh. And you said it from the perspective of the person whos wrong in the meme? I dunno its a fucking mess of a post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/17/23 11:59:50 PM #389:	Lukey_Bug posted... I don't want you to not do them I want you to shut up about "padding" Just cause early nes/snes/PS1 Rpgs didnt have a lot that was only because of storage limitations. You can bet your ass if FF7 released on PS2 or later it would've had all kinds of pointless sidequests. Also wtf does "I participate in society" even fucking mean? You keep saying it but it makes no sense in this discussion. Fetchquests in those old RPGs would not be called padding because they were not purposely taking content that was only 4 hours long and trying their hardest to make it last 50 hours so they could claim it was a full standalone game. Participate in society is when someone criticizes something and someone goes "Yet you partake of the thing you are critical of!" because in order to live in society they have no other choice. Here the point is as an FF7 fan who longed for a remake I can criticize it and still play the game. And no me boycotting it won't change it as another smart aleck said vote with your wallet. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141714] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Lukey_Bug posted... </cite><quote>I don't want you to not do them I want you to shut up about "padding" Just cause early nes/snes/PS1 Rpgs didnt have a lot that was only because of storage limitations. You can bet your ass if FF7 released on PS2 or later it would've had all kinds of pointless sidequests.Also wtf does "I participate in society" even fucking mean? You keep saying it but it makes no sense in this discussion.</quote>Fetchquests in those old RPGs would not be called padding because they were not purposely taking content that was only 4 hours long and trying their hardest to make it last 50 hours so they could claim it was a full standalone game.Participate in society is when someone criticizes something and someone goes "Yet you partake of the thing you are critical of!" because in order to live in society they have no other choice. Here the point is as an FF7 fan who longed for a remake I can criticize it and still play the game. And no me boycotting it won't change it as another smart aleck said vote with your wallet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/17/23 11:59:58 PM #390:	Punished_Blinx posted... The only way it outsold FFXVI is if it was sold at bargain bin prices. FFXVI has already made more money than Forspoken in the US. https://twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1702685057658524135 Made more money, sure. Probably sold more. The figure just stuck in my head because I thought it was funny they said a game that sold 4 million flopped and a much bigger game that sold 3 million met expectations. But it didnt sell 4 million it seems, so thats moot. Im more impressed Elden airing is still that high. Good for FromSoft. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976141717] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Punished_Blinx posted... </cite><quote>The only way it outsold FFXVI is if it was sold at bargain bin prices. FFXVI has already made more money than Forspoken in the US. https://twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1702685057658524135</quote>Made more money, sure. Probably sold more. The figure just stuck in my head because I thought it was funny they said a game that sold 4 million flopped and a much bigger game that sold 3 million met expectations. But it didnt sell 4 million it seems, so thats moot.Im more impressed Elden airing is still that high. Good for FromSoft. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/18/23 12:00:20 AM #391:	darkphoenix181 posted... Fetchquests in those old RPGs would not be called padding because they were not purposely taking content that was only 4 hours long and trying their hardest to make it last 50 hours so they could claim it was a full standalone game. Participate in society is when someone criticizes something and someone goes "Yet you partake of the thing you are critical of!" because in order to live in society they have no other choice. Here the point is as an FF7 fan who longed for a remake I can criticize it and still play the game. And no me boycotting it won't change it as another smart aleck said vote with your wallet. Note the words no choice in your own fucking explanation. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141720] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Fetchquests in those old RPGs would not be called padding because they were not purposely taking content that was only 4 hours long and trying their hardest to make it last 50 hours so they could claim it was a full standalone game.Participate in society is when someone criticizes something and someone goes "Yet you partake of the thing you are critical of!" because in order to live in society they have no other choice. Here the point is as an FF7 fan who longed for a remake I can criticize it and still play the game. And no me boycotting it won't change it as another smart aleck said vote with your wallet.</quote>Note the words no choice in your own fucking explanation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/18/23 12:01:25 AM #392:	Yes Zonbei, I participate in society. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141730] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Yes Zonbei, I participate in society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/18/23 12:02:47 AM #393:	darkphoenix181 posted... Yes Zonbei, I participate in society. but you have a choice to not play the sidequests. So it isnt applicable I swear to god youre just trying to bait me into insulting you at this point. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141751] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Yes Zonbei, I participate in society.</quote> but you have a choice to not play the sidequests. So it isnt applicable I swear to god youre just trying to bait me into insulting you at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/18/23 12:04:03 AM #394:	Zonbei posted... but you have a choice to not play the sidequests. So it isnt applicable I swear to god youre just trying to bait me into insulting you at this point. Whether I do them or not I paid for them in the price of the game or it wouldn't have been sold to me piece-meal. So yes, how curious, I participate in society. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141767] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Zonbei posted... </cite><quote> but you have a choice to not play the sidequests. So it isnt applicable I swear to god youre just trying to bait me into insulting you at this point.</quote>Whether I do them or not I paid for them in the price of the game or it wouldn't have been sold to me piece-meal.So yes, how curious, I participate in society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VirtuousWrath 09/18/23 12:04:29 AM #395:	Why simp so hard for bad game design? Zonbei has 291 active posts and it's all arguing inane points aggressively --- "I sung of chaos and eternal night, taught by the heav'nly muse to venture down the dark descent, and up to reascend... <cite>VirtuousWrath posted [p:976141771] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Why simp so hard for bad game design?Zonbei has 291 active posts and it's all arguing inane points aggressively </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/18/23 12:05:58 AM #396:	darkphoenix181 posted... Whether I do them or not I paid for them in the price of the game or it wouldn't have been sold to me piece-meal. So yes, how curious, I participate in society. That isnt.. good lord dude. You responded to someone saying dont play the sidequests. Now youve somehow twisted yourself into a pretzel trying to say well it makes sense because I bought the game so clearly Im forced into all of this. You were never going to get it non-piecemeal. The fucking meme doesnt apply here dude. Nobody and nothing made you do anything in any way. Just take the L. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141798] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Whether I do them or not I paid for them in the price of the game or it wouldn't have been sold to me piece-meal.So yes, how curious, I participate in society.</quote>That isnt.. good lord dude. You responded to someone saying dont play the sidequests. Now youve somehow twisted yourself into a pretzel trying to say well it makes sense because I bought the game so clearly Im forced into all of this. You were never going to get it non-piecemeal. The fucking meme doesnt apply here dude. Nobody and nothing made you do anything in any way. Just take the L. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/18/23 12:06:57 AM #397:	VirtuousWrath posted... Why simp so hard for bad game design? Zonbei has 291 active posts and it's all arguing inane points aggressively Its weird that you apparently read 291 of my posts, including the ones from months ago, but I guess sort of gratifying. I dont really simp for anything other than people not being wrong and not saying ridiculous shit unchallenged. Which is likely what all those posts are about. Equally weird to try to insult me for being consistent. Sorry my behavior isnt erratically dictated by how annoyed someone will be by any given thing I do like half the people on here. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141814] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>VirtuousWrath posted... </cite><quote>Why simp so hard for bad game design?Zonbei has 291 active posts and it's all arguing inane points aggressively</quote>Its weird that you apparently read 291 of my posts, including the ones from months ago, but I guess sort of gratifying. I dont really simp for anything other than people not being wrong and not saying ridiculous shit unchallenged. Which is likely what all those posts are about. Equally weird to try to insult me for being consistent. Sorry my behavior isnt erratically dictated by how annoyed someone will be by any given thing I do like half the people on here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/18/23 12:08:26 AM #398:	Zonbei posted... That isnt.. good lord dude. You responded to someone saying dont play the sidequests. Now youve somehow twisted yourself into a pretzel trying to say well it makes sense because I bought the game so clearly Im forced into all of this. You were never going to get it non-piecemeal. The fucking meme doesnt apply here dude. Nobody and nothing made you do anything in any way. Just take the L. Their response was, to me proving it was padded, by showing an example. I didn't take an L you guys did. You tried to argue with me this and that and that, and then I show the padding and the random guy who wasn't even with you guys comes in an goes "SO WHAT! JUST DON'T DO IT THEN!" That is beside the point and proves it is padding. But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:976141838] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>Zonbei posted... </cite><quote>That isnt.. good lord dude. You responded to someone saying dont play the sidequests. Now youve somehow twisted yourself into a pretzel trying to say well it makes sense because I bought the game so clearly Im forced into all of this. You were never going to get it non-piecemeal. The fucking meme doesnt apply here dude. Nobody and nothing made you do anything in any way. Just take the L.</quote>Their response was, to me proving it was padded, by showing an example. I didn't take an L you guys did. You tried to argue with me this and that and that, and then I show the padding and the random guy who wasn't even with you guys comes in an goes "SO WHAT! JUST DON'T DO IT THEN!"That is beside the point and proves it is padding. But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zonbei 09/18/23 12:10:02 AM #399:	darkphoenix181 posted... Their response was, to me proving it was padded, by showing an example. I didn't take an L you guys did. You tried to argue with me this and that and that, and then I show the padding and the random guy who wasn't even with you guys comes in an goes "SO WHAT! JUST DON'T DO IT THEN!" That is beside the point and proves it is padding. But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade. I mean I dont think so dont do it then is a great argument. I just think it was ridiculous for you to respond with essentially well I have to, so youre the asshole for suggesting I dont! Which is what that meme basically means. The fact is you.. dont have to. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:976141857] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>Their response was, to me proving it was padded, by showing an example. I didn't take an L you guys did. You tried to argue with me this and that and that, and then I show the padding and the random guy who wasn't even with you guys comes in an goes "SO WHAT! JUST DON'T DO IT THEN!"That is beside the point and proves it is padding. But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade.</quote>I mean I dont think so dont do it then is a great argument. I just think it was ridiculous for you to respond with essentially well I have to, so youre the asshole for suggesting I dont! Which is what that meme basically means. The fact is you.. dont have to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VirtuousWrath 09/18/23 12:10:42 AM #400:	darkphoenix181 posted... But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade. Yeah, I'm super bummed about how bad the remake is turning out to be. No idea why people are defending SE so hard here but meh --- "I sung of chaos and eternal night, taught by the heav'nly muse to venture down the dark descent, and up to reascend... <cite>VirtuousWrath posted [p:976141867] in Progress n... [t:80569101]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite><quote>But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade.</quote>Yeah, I'm super bummed about how bad the remake is turning out to be. No idea why people are defending SE so hard here but meh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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