Current Events > High schools need to push trade schools, not college

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Euripides posted...

So not free

Nope, completely free.

Agonized_rufous posted...

They're making it harder in some places to hit journeyman level though. It's like 800 school hours and 8000 on the job hours in some places. L

Artificial scarcity also drives up prices.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Artificial scarcity also drives up prices.

fwiw, you don't have to join the union to make good money in the trades.

Euripides posted...

So not free

Society at large foots the bill because society at large benefits. Thats precisely how taxation is supposed to work.

AlBundy33 posted...

Unless youre going to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, or engineer, a college degree for the most part isnt worth the paper its printed on.

Unfortunately kids these days think trade jobs are below them(you work at Starbucks lmfao)

This is why I have ZERO sympathy for people who claim they dont make a living wage, because theyd rather complain about it than do something about it

Bad faith topic. But regardless, trades arent for everyone either. Not everyone wants to live to work, no matter how well it pays.

Euripides posted...

So not free

Better those taxes be used to facilitate educating the nation than to bombing brown people in some desert.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Artificial scarcity also drives up prices.

Missing out on work from not having bodies costs the same people money as well

Talking to some of the GCs in the area, apparently it's been harder getting works from Mexico this year as well. Makes you wonder while the housing market goes insane

Necronmon posted...

https://fortune.com/2023/06/03/early-childhood-skills-are-more-important-than-college-degrees/?queryly=related_article

Thigns like this seem to indicate that with robots/ AI taking more and more jobs being Charismatic or social skills will matter more then anything.

AKA Introverts are living in a world that's more and more were only a few of them will have any careers that they can thrive in while more will have a world that looks like hell where most won't want them.

That is why I love my job, my job is 100% impossible to automate

A_Good_Boy posted...

Better those taxes be used to facilitate educating the nation than to bombing brown people in some desert.

I agree, but it would be "free" like universal medicare would be "free"

Euripides posted...

I agree, but it would be "free" like universal medicare would be "free"

And there's nothing wrong with that. You just have to accept that everyone pays for it, and not just "the billionaires".

When I went to college, my minor required me to take courses at a trade school.

So I basically did both simultaneously.

Questionmarktarius posted...

And there's nothing wrong with that. You just have to accept that everyone pays for it, and not just "the billionaires".

I'd be fine with it.

But if you think the "no one forgave MY student loans" people are bad, just wait for the "no one paid for MY college" assholes who will vote against this until they die

Euripides posted...

I'd be fine with it.

But if you think the "no one forgave MY student loans" people are bad, just wait for the "no one paid for MY college" assholes who will vote against this until they die

nobody should care about what assholes think

assholes vote too

They vote conservative for a reason

Euripides posted...

I'd be fine with it.

But if you think the "no one forgave MY student loans" people are bad, just wait for the "no one paid for MY college" assholes who will vote against this until they die

To be fair, nobody paid my student loans, including me.

AlBundy33 posted...

That is why I love my job, my job is 100% impossible to automate

What is your job?

My high school had a vocational building on campus that pushed heavily to take classes there. It had welding, construction, farming, automotive repair, electronics, etc. Almost every student took more than one class there.

The problem with this logic is you need to educate 1 million people to raise 100 geniuses. Who are the geniuses among them? Educating the masses must be done. If not college then some other means. But human knowledge has to keep advancing for civilization to continue at our population levels.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

The problem with this logic is you need to educate 1 million people to raise 100 geniuses.

But, you get 900000 "competent"

TC is a strange dude

An educated populace would mean fewer cultists

ArkhamOrigins posted...

What is your job?

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Don't expect an answer.

GeraldDarko posted...

TC is a strange dude

It's CE. We all are.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's CE. We all are.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/1/AAeowgAAE3hr.jpg

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's CE. We all are.

or are people like you a certain breed? hmm

personally im of the belief that not everybody will post "HOW DARE YOU talk about gun control!" after a child gets shot, like you did, but hey what do i know

StealThisSheen posted...

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Don't expect an answer.

Shoe salesman, obviously

GeraldDarko posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/1/AAeowgAAE3hr.jpg

why does his mustache always look weighted down and sopping

People really should have not responded to the topic seriously when the topic post whined about "kids these days" thinking jobs are beneath them and then immediately mocked them for having jobs the TC thinks are beneath them.

KI_Simpson posted...

People really should have not responded to the topic seriously when the topic post whined about "kids these days" thinking jobs are beneath them and then immediately mocking them for having jobs the TC thinks are beneath them.

to be fair if people didnt respond then how else would we get people like questionmarktarius who cant help but answer the bait and run to the defense of obvious trolls like tc?

TC didn't you say that rail is useless because everything ends up on a truck at some point? Sounds like you should have paid more attention in school

High Schools should push both.

Gwynevere posted...

TC didn't you say that rail is useless because everything ends up on a truck at some point? Sounds like you should have paid more attention in school

It's only because he's a truck driver. If he were a security guard or clerk, they would be super important. Not that driving truck isn't important, but it's just a classic egocentric worldview.

AlBundy33 posted...

Im not saying college isnt a viable path for anyone, all Im saying is all these people saying you cant have a good life without a college degree(for example, everyone told me growing up if I didnt go to college I would only ever make minimum wage, I make close to $40 an hour right now, and it will only go up)

Thats quite the hourly wage for a shoe salesman.

pnut027 posted...

Thats quite the hourly wage for a shoe salesman.

tc sure spends a lot of time on here for somebody who makes 40 an hour

AlBundy33 posted...

Unless youre going to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, or engineer, a college degree for the most part isnt worth the paper its printed on.

Actually more jobs than ever are requiring college degrees. At my last job they wouldn't promote anyone to a management type position without papers even if they were there for over 20 years and had to train the new supervisors.

It's a stupid trend. If someone has the knowhow and experience to do a job, there shouldn't be some expensive requirement just because some corporate goon says so.

Ferroseed posted...

personally im of the belief that not everybody will post "HOW DARE YOU talk about gun control!" after a child gets shot, like you did, but hey what do i know

to be fair, that's a collision of nihilism and anarchism.

Also I don't think I ever posted "how dare you?!", just that it would be pointless and counter-productive.

Questionmarktarius posted...

to be fair, that's a collision of nihilism and anarchism.

Also I don't think I ever posted "how dare you?!", just that it would be pointless and counter-productive.

look all im saying is that you are mainly known for doing two things:

1. pretty much telling us how turned on you are by guns in certain topics
2. attempting to shame people from talking about gun control in topics about shootings

Ferroseed posted...

look all im saying is that you are mainly known for doing two things:

1. pretty much telling us how turned on you are by guns in certain topics
2. attempting to shame people from talking about gun control in topics about shootings

I'm pretty sure that's someone else. That's not me.

Replace "guns" with "reaganomics", and you're pretty close.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm pretty sure that's someone else. That's not me.

Replace "guns" with "reaganomics", and you're pretty close.

nah that was definitely you

Ferroseed posted...

nah that was definitely you

show me where, on the "log" site we're not supposed to mention. (also you have to that in PMs, since the log site is forbidden here)
I know I'm absurdly-right by CE standards, but largely indifferent about guns.

I live in the bum fuck middle of nowhere on the edge of Appalachia and I push students to whatever theyre best suited towards. I work at a combined middle school/high school and talk to my students about whether they should go to a vocational school or collegeeven though Im not a guidance counselor. Good teachers will always care about their students and foster their growth.

The area is also EXTREMELY poor. However, students that are smart and/or talented enough can even start college or trade school early through government programs. Given how poor my area is, Im betting most other districts have that option. Hell, I started college at 15.

So the options for both are there, and responsible teachers will help their students explore their various options. I havent seen much you have to go to college mentality (if any) from my colleagues. Ive suffered through some really excruciatingly awful jobs that were a terrible fit for me, so I encourage kids to do what makes them happy.

As a university professor, I can say that college isn't for everyone.

And despite the narrative that "high schools push everyone to go to college", the truth is that only ~35% of high school graduates go to college in the U.S.

But I've had a handful of students who were wholly unqualified for college and I'm not sure how they got through the enrollment process.

Euripides posted...

But I've had a handful of students who were wholly unqualified for college and I'm not sure how they got through the enrollment process.

Easy student loans. That's why.

I flunked out of two colleges, did night classes in a third, and finally got a degree in the fourth. Easy student loans did that.

Ferroseed posted...

tc sure spends a lot of time on here for somebody who makes 40 an hour

Tbf I make $38 an hour with my second shift differential.

But my job is also fairly complicated.

I really wish my highschool actually prepped me to be a successful adult by actually helping with stuff like college, getting a job, and a resume. Instead my counselor was like I see you put down those for your college list, and it was over. I really could have used some kind of help. I certainly wasn't getting it at home.

High schools in general should be used to get teenagers ready for the real world with real world skills. By the time someone leaves high school, they should be more than capable for applying for 1 step higher than retail jobs without needing prior experience. So if retail pays lets say 20k a year, then they should be able to apply for positions paying 30k a year.

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I have zero sympathy for people who say they have zero sympathy for others

Euripides posted...

So not free

You should know better than to make that kind of bad, dismissive argument.