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StealThisSheen posted...

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Don't expect an answer.

I already know his job is scheduled for automation

ArkhamOrigins posted...

What is your job?

Truck Driver, it can never be automated, no matter how much they try, there is a reason all the companies working on this bullshit have either shut down, or are beginning the process of shutting down

Allow me to prove it: There is a place I go almost everyday, I have to go under a train trussle, it is 136 going in, and 131 going out, you can not get out without driving on the wrong side of the road, which requires police, is a computer going to knowingly drive on the wrong side of the road?

AlBundy33 posted...

Truck Driver, it can never be automated, no matter how much they try,

Bro you're, like, next in line for the chopping block. Self driving trucks that don't need to stop for sleep or bathroom breaks and take the most efficient route every time? AI is gonna revolutionize the shipping industry and it's people with college degrees that are out there making it happen.

Can confirm.
Went to university. Am grocery store clerk.
Brother went to trade school for welding. Got hired immediately after by, and still works for, a local construction company.

AlBundy33 posted...

Truck Driver, it can never be automated, no matter how much they try, there is a reason all the companies working on this bullshit have either shut down, or are beginning the process of shutting down

I work in an AI adjacent field. Trust me, truck drivers most certainly are going to be replaced.

Hell, the only thing keeping me employed is that AI isnt the best at using outside the box methods of troubleshooting. Not yet, that is.

ZMythos posted...

Bro you're, like, next in line for the chopping block. Self driving trucks that don't need to stop for sleep or bathroom breaks and take the most efficient route every time? AI is gonna revolutionize the shipping industry and it's people with college degrees that are out there making it happen.

Its really not, even if it were possible(its not), I will be long dead before they are mainstream, they cant even make GPS that works correctly, you think theyre gonna make 80,000 lb rolling death machines with no one in the drivers seat? Its a pipe dream on its very best day

AlBundy33 posted...

Its really not, even if it were possible(its not), I will be long dead before they are mainstream, they cant even make GPS that works correctly, you think theyre gonna make 80,000 lb rolling death machines with no one in the drivers seat? Its a pipe dream on its very best day

And horses are never gonna be replaced by these new fangled "automobiles"

gamerofNS posted...

Can confirm.
Went to university. Am grocery store clerk.
Brother went to trade school for welding. Got hired immediately after by, and still works for, a local construction company.

You left out very important piece of information. What is your degree in?

I find it hard to believe you went to medical school, law school, or got a engineering/analytics, and couldnt find work.

Blazingly hot take from TC

People are still talking about trade schools as if it's some hidden secret? Everyone knows about them as an option. Tons of Zoomers skipped college, and a huge chunk of them went trades. The job market isn't much better for most of them. Jobs that just need associate degrees are where the money's at right now. Give it another 5 years and things will change again.

"Just go to trade school" is a tired phrase. It's not 2006 anymore.

It's also a dogwhistle for the growing trend of anti-intellectualism by the right. Associating college education with liberalism/leftism and broadly painting it as wasteful or harmful is straight out of the conservative pundit's playbook.

ZMythos posted...

And horses are never gonna be replaced by these new fangled "automobiles"

The only people who think automation can replace a truck driver have never even seen the inside of a truck, let alone driven one

Is a computer going to hook up air lines?
is a computer going to be able to raise trailer landing gear?
What about fueling?
What about having to get out and put chains on the tires when the roads are bad?
What about having to go onto roads theyre not supposed to be on?
Driving on the wrong side of the road?(its mandatory sometimes)

Not to mention, for autonomous trucks to be a thing, shippers and receivers would have to spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS(with a B) to update their docks to be read by a truck computer

Long story short, people who think autonomous trucks will ever happen are morons

The companies that were claiming to be working on autonomous trucks before they all shut down were scamming money out of investors, nothing more.

Oh shit, TC is also pushing truck driving? An industry that's arguably even more predatory than universities?

The only people who think automobiles can replace a coachmen have never seen a horse, let alone driven one.

Is an engine going to hook up reigns?
Is an engine going to be able to attach a carriage?
What about feeding?
What about having to get out and balance the carriage to ford a river?
What about having to go onto cobblestone paths and mud they're not supposed to be on?
Driving on the wrong side of the road?

Not to mention, for automobiles to be a thing, shippers and receivers would have to spend THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS (with a TH) to update their stables

Long story short, people who think mechanical horses will ever happen are morons

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Maybe not entirely, but you can bet that by 2050 self-driving trucks will be a significant part of the shipping industry.

AlBundy33 posted...

The only people who think automation can replace a truck driver have never even seen the inside of a truck, let alone driven one

Is a computer going to hook up air lines?
is a computer going to be able to raise trailer landing gear?
What about fueling?
What about having to get out and put chains on the tires when the roads are bad?
What about having to go onto roads theyre not supposed to be on?
Driving on the wrong side of the road?(its mandatory sometimes)

Not to mention, for autonomous trucks to be a thing, shippers and receivers would have to spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS(with a B) to update their docks to be read by a truck computer

Long story short, people who think autonomous trucks will ever happen are morons

The companies that were claiming to be working on autonomous trucks before they all shut down were scamming money out of investors, nothing more.

1. This will be done by a service team member at the location who makes minimum wage.
2. Yes, actually.
3. This will be done at a docking station where a robot arm will connect the hose and an inert gas (nitrogen) will be used to disconnect the line. A servo driven reel system will be used to stow the hose.
4. A sophisticated route scheduling system coupled with a contract to a service company will ensure that a service member will meet the truck at a pre determined location to put chains on the tires.
5. The truck will remain on roads they are supposed to be
6. An algorithm will perform the necessary calculations for risk management. If a human must take the controls, a remote driver will be given the controls, akin to UAV pilots in the USAF and Navy.

As far a costs, many companies will do a cost benefit analysis It will cost them less to updrade than it will to maintain a manual fleet with unreliable human operators who need to sleep, use the bathroom, eat, take sick days, and have families.

AlBundy33 posted...

Truck Driver, it can never be automated, no matter how much they try, there is a reason all the companies working on this bullshit have either shut down, or are beginning the process of shutting down

Allow me to prove it: There is a place I go almost everyday, I have to go under a train trussle, it is 136 going in, and 131 going out, you can not get out without driving on the wrong side of the road, which requires police, is a computer going to knowingly drive on the wrong side of the road?

Are you fucking high? Truck driver is like the first job to become fully automated

ZMythos posted...

Maybe not entirely, but you can bet that by 2050 self-driving trucks will be a significant part of the shipping industry.

Also, to go along with that, and this is something I heard from my cousins husband who is a truck driver, they are really pushing the industry into automated log books. Long story short, before this they would manually write down when they would take their breaks, sleep, if they got stuck in traffic, etc, which let them get a delivery done much quicker than these days. Now they want to automate this so that, in his words not mine, they screw over the driver behind the wheel. Because he has to drive when they tell him to drive, take breaks when they tell him to take breaks. So even if he isn't tired, he's forced to pull over else he'll get fined, or his truck will remotely shut off.

Which in term screws him over, because sometimes he'll be going through a city like LA and he knows he can get through it at 2 in the morning, but instead is forced to pull over which could put him in heavy traffic, thus preventing him from making his delivery on time.

ArkhamOrigins posted...

Are you fucking high? Truck driver is like the first job to become fully automated

Highway driving, yeah. But once you get off into urban areas, there's still an immense amount of work to be done. The liability is just too high

But most CDL work going to shift from big rigs to just heavy machinery operations in general. The cushy gigs will be the guys that will get hired to be like pilots. Just worry about take off and touch down- and if you have to do anything in-between, that's where you'll earn your pay lol

Ivany2008 posted...

Also, to go along with that, and this is something I heard from my cousins husband who is a truck driver, they are really pushing the industry into automated log books. Long story short, before this they would manually write down when they would take their breaks, sleep, if they got stuck in traffic, etc, which let them get a delivery done much quicker than these days. Now they want to automate this so that, in his words not mine, they screw over the driver behind the wheel. Because he has to drive when they tell him to drive, take breaks when they tell him to take breaks. So even if he isn't tired, he's forced to pull over else he'll get fined, or his truck will remotely shut off.

Which in term screws him over, because sometimes he'll be going through a city like LA and he knows he can get through it at 2 in the morning, but instead is forced to pull over which could put him in heavy traffic, thus preventing him from making his delivery on time.

Theyre not pushing electronic logs, theyve been in use for over 40 years, you only use paper logs if the ELD isnt working

And if the last part is true, he needs to learn to plan better

pnut027 posted...

1. This will be done by a service team member at the location who makes minimum wage.
2. Yes, actually.
3. This will be done at a docking station where a robot arm will connect the hose and an inert gas (nitrogen) will be used to disconnect the line. A servo driven reel system will be used to stow the hose.
4. A sophisticated route scheduling system coupled with a contract to a service company will ensure that a service member will meet the truck at a pre determined location to put chains on the tires.
5. The truck will remain on roads they are supposed to be
6. An algorithm will perform the necessary calculations for risk management. If a human must take the controls, a remote driver will be given the controls, akin to UAV pilots in the USAF and Navy.
As far a costs, many companies will do a cost benefit analysis It will cost them less to updrade than it will to maintain a manual fleet with unreliable human operators who need to sleep, use the bathroom, eat, take sick days, and have families.

1. While this is possible, the service team member isnt going to care if its leaking, and if it comes off or starts leaking due to a bad seal on the road? A human can fix it in 30 seconds, last time I had a breakdown, it took 5 hours for someone to get to me to fix the issue, if every truck was autonomous, trucks would be sitting on the road for days. A lot more goes into this than you think
2. No, actually. As no trailer currently in use as far as Im aware, has automatic landing gear legs, and if that breaks as all computers do? You arent going anywhere if you cant lift or lower the legs
3. This would cost an astronomical amount of money, if it even worked properly, which it would take about a week before it was broken, the truck stops arent gonna pony up the millions of dollars for this
4. GPS doesnt work correctly about 85% of the time, half the time the roads Im on the GPS isnt aware a road even exists there, so the truck would send out useless signals
5. Not possible, as quite a few shippers and receivers are located on roads with weight limits(I deliver to a place on a daily basis on a 3 ton weight limit road, and most of my stops are on roads with 10 ton weight limits)
6. Only a possibility on paper, because we have to actually get out of the truck and look/assess the situation, isnt possible if you arent physically there

AlBundy33 posted...

Theyre not pushing electronic logs, theyve been in use for over 40 years, you only use paper logs if the ELD isnt working

And if the last part is true, he needs to learn to plan better

They are pushing electronic logs in his company. They were using manual logs up until 2021, they only started using electronic logs the past 2 years. You do realize that not every company follows the same structure.... right? I'm not talking about a company just logging their hours electronically.... I'm talking about a company electronically telling you when your allowed to take breaks, when your allowed to sleep.

That's what I'm referring to. The guy has been doing that job for 20 years, 18 of which were manual logged. I think I trust him more than a random person on the internet. Because I'll be honest, I don't know shit outside what I'm being told, but I do know what happened when they tried to force my last company to use an electronic time sheet, it failed miserably. Because the owner of the company didn't always show up when he was supposed to, which screwed the rest of us up and we were docked pay outside of our control.

AlBundy33 posted...

Theyre not pushing electronic logs, theyve been in use for over 40 years, you only use paper logs if the ELD isnt working

And if the last part is true, he needs to learn to plan better

1. While this is possible, the service team member isnt going to care if its leaking, and if it comes off or starts leaking due to a bad seal on the road? A human can fix it in 30 seconds, last time I had a breakdown, it took 5 hours for someone to get to me to fix the issue, if every truck was autonomous, trucks would be sitting on the road for days. A lot more goes into this than you think
2. No, actually. As no trailer currently in use as far as Im aware, has automatic landing gear legs, and if that breaks as all computers do? You arent going anywhere if you cant lift or lower the legs
3. This would cost an astronomical amount of money, if it even worked properly, which it would take about a week before it was broken, the truck stops arent gonna pony up the millions of dollars for this
4. GPS doesnt work correctly about 85% of the time, half the time the roads Im on the GPS isnt aware a road even exists there, so the truck would send out useless signals
5. Not possible, as quite a few shippers and receivers are located on roads with weight limits(I deliver to a place on a daily basis on a 3 ton weight limit road, and most of my stops are on roads with 10 ton weight limits)
6. Only a possibility on paper, because we have to actually get out of the truck and look/assess the situation, isnt possible if you arent physically there

The reason I gave very specific examples about how these automated systems would work is because I spent 16 years as a military avionics systems tech. These systems have existed for decades on aircraft and I repair them. Well At least I did lol. I guess on paper, I still do, but as a reservist now.

With my civilian employer, Im laying the foundation to make these systems more robust.

Trust me, just as traditional pilots are going away, so will all commercial vehicle operators, to include taxis, bus drivers, and truckers.

pnut027 posted...

You left out very important piece of information. What is your degree in?

I find it hard to believe you went to medical school, law school, or got a engineering/analytics, and couldnt find work.

It was in journalism/communications. And I didn't graduate. So, no degree. I said I went to university, not that I completed it. Completely as a result of my own stupidity.

How about we make a High School diploma worth more than just a lousy prerequisite?