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Dark_Arbron 10/09/23 4:32:23 AM #1:	Only a few more days. The referendum is about altering the constitution to recognise the First Peoples, and to form an advisory body that represents them in parliament. https://voice.gov.au/ Any other Australians on CE wanna share their thoughts? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976557177] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Only a few more days.The referendum is about altering the constitution to recognise the First Peoples, and to form an advisory body that represents them in parliament.https://voice.gov.au/Any other Australians on CE wanna share their thoughts? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rotterdammerung 10/09/23 4:46:26 AM #2:	Its made me realise how many Australians are at best ignorant, at worst downright racists. The sheer amount of repugnant, outright bigoted views and mendacious nonsense circulating in favour of the no vote is ridiculous. --- This space left intentionally blank <cite>Rotterdammerung posted [p:976557249] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Its made me realise how many Australians are at best ignorant, at worst downright racists.The sheer amount of repugnant, outright bigoted views and mendacious nonsense circulating in favour of the no vote is ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BurmesePenguin 10/09/23 4:46:59 AM #3:	From what I heard its not going to pass. --- Sigful User Logic <cite>BurmesePenguin posted [p:976557259] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>From what I heard its not going to pass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 1:44:25 AM #5:	Bump. https://shorturl.at/hkpBH That's an annotated transcript of the No pamphlet, and you can see the misinformation campaign on full display. Right there at the fucking start, "this would cover all areas of executive government, meaning *no issue is beyond its reach." Aside from being an outright lie, the way they phrase this shit to stir up fear among the ignorant is gross. "We dont know how it will work, we dont know who will be on it, but we do know it will permanently divide us as Australians." The classic "we don't know what will happen, but not all of us are gonna like it!"* nothing statements that get people worried and tempted to vote no to avoid the situation entirely. Seriously, does that sentence say anything of tangible value? Sure as fuck can't see it if so. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574078] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Bump.https://shorturl.at/hkpBHThat's an annotated transcript of the No pamphlet, and you can see the misinformation campaign on full display. Right there at the fucking start, "this would cover all areas of executive government, meaning no issue is beyond its reach."Aside from being an outright lie, the way they phrase this shit to stir up fear among the ignorant is gross."We dont know how it will work, we dont know who will be on it, but we do know it will permanently divide us as Australians."The classic "we don't know what will happen, but not all of us are gonna like it!" nothing statements that get people worried and tempted to vote no to avoid the situation entirely. Seriously, does that sentence say anything of tangible value? Sure as fuck can't see it if so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 10/10/23 1:50:31 AM #6:	How many times has 'You're the Voice' by John Farnham been used for this referendum? And I'm hearing the result is likely to be no. Is this true? --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976574111] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>How many times has 'You're the Voice' by John Farnham been used for this referendum?And I'm hearing the result is likely to be no. Is this true? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 1:58:54 AM #7:	ai123 posted... How many times has 'You're the Voice' by John Farnham been used for this referendum? And I'm hearing the result is likely to be no. Is this true? I don't really check polls and such ahead of time, so I don't know if they'd be any more or less accurate than polls predicting the primaries would be in the US. It wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't pass, though. But I guess in a few days we'll find out. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574169] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>How many times has 'You're the Voice' by John Farnham been used for this referendum?And I'm hearing the result is likely to be no. Is this true?</quote>I don't really check polls and such ahead of time, so I don't know if they'd be any more or less accurate than polls predicting the primaries would be in the US.It wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't pass, though. But I guess in a few days we'll find out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 10/10/23 1:59:18 AM #8:	For what it's worth, I plan on voting Yes. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:976574171] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>For what it's worth, I plan on voting Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 2:01:19 AM #9:	At any rate, nice to know that Republicans don't have the monopoly on blatant lying and misinformation. We have that issue here too. Paraphrased from a discussion I'm having with a (much better educated) friend of mine. CLAIM: "Decisions in relation to the economy, national security, infrastructure, health, education and more, would all be within its scope." REALITY: There is no obligation upon parliament or the executive government to respond to the representations [from the voice] or give effect to them. CLAIM:" If the Voice is not satisfied with the way it has been consulted, or a decision that is made, it could appeal to the courts. How long would this take?" REALITY: no obligation for parliament or government to respond to the voices representations, to engage in prior consultation, or to wait for representations from the voice before making decisions. It's an advisory body that can be 100,000% FUCKING IGNORED and implying anything else is straight up lying. Does that remind anyone else of how Republicans just blatantly lie? And how the media never seems to call them out on it despite fact-checking being a simple Google search away? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574186] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>At any rate, nice to know that Republicans don't have the monopoly on blatant lying and misinformation. We have that issue here too.Paraphrased from a discussion I'm having with a (much better educated) friend of mine.<quote>CLAIM: "Decisions in relation to the economy, national security, infrastructure, health, education and more, would all be within its scope."REALITY: There is no obligation upon parliament or the executive government to respond to the representations [from the voice] or give effect to them.CLAIM:" If the Voice is not satisfied with the way it has been consulted, or a decision that is made, it could appeal to the courts. How long would this take?"REALITY: no obligation for parliament or government to respond to the voices representations, to engage in prior consultation, or to wait for representations from the voice before making decisions.It's an advisory body that can be 100,000% FUCKING IGNORED and implying anything else is straight up lying.</quote>Does that remind anyone else of how Republicans just blatantly lie? And how the media never seems to call them out on it despite fact-checking being a simple Google search away? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/10/23 2:12:01 AM #10:	Dark_Arbron posted... At any rate, nice to know that Republicans don't have the monopoly on blatant lying and misinformation. We have that issue here too. They learned it from an Australian! Rupert Murdoch the owner of FOX and other right wing trash media around the world is an Australian. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976574257] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>At any rate, nice to know that Republicans don't have the monopoly on blatant lying and misinformation. We have that issue here too.</quote>They learned it from an Australian!Rupert Murdoch the owner of FOX and other right wing trash media around the world is an Australian. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 2:12:55 AM #11:	Torgo posted... They learned it from an Australian! Rupert Murdoch the owner of FOX and other right wing trash media around the world is an Australian. Sure, open that wound... ~~We're sorry, America, for giving you Rupert Murdoch. The genie won't go back in the bottle.~~ --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574262] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>They learned it from an Australian!Rupert Murdoch the owner of FOX and other right wing trash media around the world is an Australian.</quote>Sure, open that wound...We're sorry, America, for giving you Rupert Murdoch. The genie won't go back in the bottle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/10/23 2:19:48 AM #12:	Its Ronald Reagan's fault for inviting him to the US. I think Reagan gave him citizenship so he could set up shop here <cite>Zikten posted [p:976574303] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Its Ronald Reagan's fault for inviting him to the US. I think Reagan gave him citizenship so he could set up shop here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 10/10/23 2:25:09 AM #13:	Murdoch wouldn't have been able to cause so much damage if the Fairness Doctrine hadn't been revoked. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976574329] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Murdoch wouldn't have been able to cause so much damage if the Fairness Doctrine hadn't been revoked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 2:27:32 AM #14:	Zikten posted... Its Ronald Reagan's fault for inviting him to the US. I think Reagan gave him citizenship so he could set up shop here ai123 posted... Murdoch wouldn't have been able to cause so much damage if the Fairness Doctrine hadn't been revoked. Always comes back to goddamn Reagan doesn't it... --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574336] in (AUSTRALIA... [t:80588978]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Its Ronald Reagan's fault for inviting him to the US. I think Reagan gave him citizenship so he could set up shop here</quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>Murdoch wouldn't have been able to cause so much damage if the Fairness Doctrine hadn't been revoked.</quote>Always comes back to goddamn Reagan doesn't it... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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