Current Events > Ebay sued for selling "coal rolling" devices. Faces up to $2B fine

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brestugo
10/12/23 6:01:30 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/11/doj-sues-ebay-for-rolling-coal-devices-fines-could-hit-2-billion.html

Ebay could be on the hook for as much as $2 billion in fines for allegedly allowing hundreds of thousands of rolling coal pollution devices and other products that violate environmental laws to be sold on its platform.

Rolling coal is the practice of installing a tampering device to pump more diesel into a vehicles engine than it can handle, leading it to spew out sooty black clouds of exhaust that pollute the air.

The practice is sometimes used as a form of anti-environmental protest. Coal rollers, or the drivers who engage in the action, may intentionally target Teslas, Priuses or other electric or hybrid vehicles.

The Department of Justice, on behalf of the Environmental Protection Agency, filed a lawsuit claiming that the e-commerce giant enabled the sale of more than 343,000 rolling coal devices. Each sale could spur a fine of up to $5,580 under the Clean Air Act.

Ebay denied the charges in a public statement, saying it has blocked more than 99.9% the listings for the products cited by the DOJ, including millions of listings each year.

And eBay has partnered closely with law enforcement, including the DOJ, for over two decades on identifying emerging risks and assisting with prevention and enforcement, the online retailer said.

The DOJs 61-page complaint included screenshots of emissions tampering devices that were listed on eBays platform.

Rolling coal devices are among several tools that can be used to disable or tamper with a vehicles pre-installed emissions control systems, which the EPA requires of all vehicles.

Under the Clean Air Act, tampering with a vehicles emissions control systems and selling those tampering tools are illegal. Only some states, like New Jersey, Maryland and Maine, have banned the practice in their own jurisdictions.

In addition to rolling coal products, prosecutors argue that eBay allowed the sale of more than 5,600 dangerous methylene chloride paint removers and at least 23,000 prohibited pesticide products, both of which the EPA banned for their safety hazards.

eBay has the power, the authority, and the resources to stop the sale of these illegal, harmful products on its website. It has chosen not to, prosecutors said in the filing.

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Dark_Arbron
10/12/23 6:05:57 AM
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Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Pun intended.

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tripleh213
10/12/23 6:07:44 AM
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itachi15243
10/12/23 6:09:55 AM
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Do people still roll coal?

That was a dumb idea 10 years ago, nowadays, it's probably one of the dumbest things you can do. Climate change denial is getting to be up there with flat earthing.

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brestugo
10/12/23 6:36:36 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
Do people still roll coal?


Yes?

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TimeForAction
10/12/23 6:37:23 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
Do people still roll coal?

a couple weeks ago I witnessed a a guy change lanes to the curb lane and rolled coal next to a couple of Indian guys walking on the sidewalk and then he changed lanes to where he was.

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Ricemills
10/12/23 6:43:30 AM
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Of all the dumbest things Americans do, this is one of the top of the dumbest.

Those coal rollers should've been locked up in a room with a coal runner running.

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texanfan27
10/12/23 6:44:29 AM
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Its a bad practice, but sadly I know one guy at work who planned to do something similar to his truck as well.

Some people just dont understand the effects of their actions.


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ZaruenKosai
10/12/23 6:45:16 AM
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Ebay that has no issues with people selling destroyed ipods as slightly used?
I highly doubt Ebay cares about people selling illegal things on Ebay, until Ebay gets caught and/or sued.


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Turbam
10/12/23 6:46:02 AM
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brestugo posted...
anti-environmental protest
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/5/AAeolZAAD61D.png

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Giacomo_Hawkins
10/12/23 6:46:43 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Of all the dumbest things Americans do, this is one of the top of the dumbest.

Those coal rollers should've been locked up in a room with a coal runner running.

I don't know about a top dumb thing. It's really dumb, and really American, but the list is so extensive it's hard to say whether it's one of the top.

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Dark_Arbron
10/12/23 6:47:11 AM
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Turbam posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/5/AAeolZAAD61D.png

I protest the continued existence of the environment. Something must be done!

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Ricemills
10/12/23 6:51:19 AM
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Giacomo_Hawkins posted...
I don't know about a top dumb thing. It's really dumb, and really American, but the list is so extensive it's hard to say whether it's one of the top.

It's top dumb because it's pure dumbassery.
Other dumb things Americans did at least has an excuse despite being a wrong excuse. This one is real stupidity and pettiness.
Even being anti-environmental, they know that the smog is a harmful pollution.

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brestugo
10/12/23 6:55:42 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
Ebay that has no issues with people selling destroyed ipods as slightly used?
I highly doubt Ebay cares about people selling illegal things on Ebay, until Ebay gets caught and/or sued.

$2B ought to get their attention. We'll see.

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Rika_Furude
10/12/23 6:55:51 AM
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Just lock up any coal rollers for a decade and revoke their licence permanently even after they exit prison
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LeoRavus
10/12/23 7:25:34 AM
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I always wondered why some trucks put out a lot of clouds. Never knew it was intentional. What a dumb thing to do.

So, did eBay actually allow these to be sold, or were they just sold without being reported? I mean when you list an item on there, no one reviews the listing before it's posted. I know that things bypassing emission controls are prohibited.

I guess they'll be hitting sellers with another price hike after this.

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brestugo
10/12/23 9:39:48 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Just lock up any coal rollers for a decade and revoke their licence permanently even after they exit prison

There ought to be some action possible by a state's DMV. There's no Constitutional right to coal roll last I checked.

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streamofthesky
10/12/23 9:55:35 AM
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Eh... I guess it's better than nothing, but hitting Ebay will just hurt all of us.
I'd much rather see governments stop treating coal rollers like a joke. They're the absolute fucking scum of the earth.
Throw them in prison for a long time and fine them into lifelong poverty!

I luckily haven't been "coal rolled" yet, but I've seen vehicles with the modification while driving. I like to walk and have respiratory health issues. I'm always wary some day I'm going to be assaulted by one of these fucking bastards, because they like to target pedestrians and cyclists because, "lol, why u no drive? herp derp!"

Blasting people with massive amounts of smog and obstructing view of the road w/ the plumes, or even just the conspiracy to commit since it requires a conscious illegal mod to set up on your vehicle, should be a felony.
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SaikyoStyle
10/12/23 9:57:13 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I protest the continued existence of the environment. Something must be done!
Breathable air is woke and therefore gay.

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boomgetchopped3
10/12/23 9:58:13 AM
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TIL what coal rolling is. The fuck
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theAteam
10/12/23 9:59:29 AM
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I see them around here once in a while. Really the environmental impact is basically nothing (not that I want them doing it), but it should be some kind of low level assault charge if you pull over to specifically roll into a pack of bicyclists or pedestrians or something.

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ai123
10/12/23 9:59:31 AM
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How dogshit dumb do you have to be to be 'anti' your own environment?

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Tyranthraxus
10/12/23 10:01:03 AM
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ai123 posted...
How dogshit dumb do you have to be to be 'anti' your own environment?

It owns the libs tho

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ai123
10/12/23 10:02:00 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It owns the libs tho
I repeat: dogshit dumb.

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Devilanse333
10/12/23 10:04:21 AM
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Still see it every once in awhile. Used to be really bad. There was a social club of coal rollers here. They all even had custom K-Valley Coal Rollers stickers on their trucks.


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Dakimakura
10/12/23 10:04:23 AM
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343000 x 5580 = 2000000000?

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Heineken14
10/12/23 10:06:49 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
Do people still roll coal?

That was a dumb idea 10 years ago, nowadays, it's probably one of the dumbest things you can do. Climate change denial is getting to be up there with flat earthing.


Of course they do. They are also the same type of assholes that will turn around and cry that Biden is purposely raising gas prices.

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modena
10/12/23 10:09:14 AM
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boomgetchopped3 posted...
TIL what coal rolling is. The fuck
I'm seeing a few just sitting outside on my break....TX....

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variasuite
10/12/23 10:09:28 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/6/AAWhExAAEzAO.jpg

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Were_Wyrm
10/12/23 10:10:58 AM
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These people should have their vehicles impounded until they meet emission requirements, if only someone had a list of buyers...

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ai123
10/12/23 10:11:49 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
Of course they do. They are also the same type of assholes that will turn around and cry that Biden is purposely raising gas prices.
All those silly pro-Trump flags hurt their fuel economy too.

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Nunyobidness
10/12/23 10:12:17 AM
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They should just confiscate these trucks, undo the modification at the owners expense and then sell the vehicle at auction.
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aarrgus
10/12/23 10:14:34 AM
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tripleh213 posted...
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Ricemills
10/12/23 10:26:53 AM
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Dakimakura posted...
343000 x 5580 = 2000000000?

Rounded up, yes.

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brestugo
10/12/23 11:42:01 AM
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Nunyobidness posted...
They should just confiscate these trucks, undo the modification at the owners expense and then sell the vehicle at auction.

It's not really a thing in SoCal, but if law enforcement can be such assholes over tinted windows like they are here, they can be tougher on coal rolling modifications.

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C_Pain
10/12/23 11:49:35 AM
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I thought these kind of sites are protected because they aren't selling it, it's the users.

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pedro45
10/12/23 11:52:02 AM
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C_Pain posted...
I thought these kind of sites are protected because they aren't selling it, it's the users.

That's what i was thinking. I could see ebay changing policy or something and the fine being much smaller.
End of the day, i see a ton of bootlegs on there, but the sellers disappear I'm sure.
They should go after the sellers.
Then again, I'm biased towards ebay. I love shopping there

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Ricemills
10/12/23 11:53:56 AM
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C_Pain posted...
I thought these kind of sites are protected because they aren't selling it, it's the users.

I'm pretty sure that didn't cover illegal stuffs.

Edit: wtf, it's only illegal in 6 states?

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brestugo
10/12/23 11:57:04 AM
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Ricemills posted...
I'm pretty sure that didn't cover illegal stuffs.

Edit: wtf, it's only illegal in 6 states?

And federally.

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Tyranthraxus
10/12/23 11:58:27 AM
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Ricemills posted...
I'm pretty sure that didn't cover illegal stuffs.

Edit: wtf, it's only illegal in 6 states?

Most states figured they'd catch you in the emissions inspection. They didn't quite anticipate people would make computer devices that could flip a switch between "roll coal" and "don't roll coal" as needed just to piss people off, destroy the environment, and pass emissions inspections all at the same time.

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Questionmarktarius
10/12/23 11:59:23 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Most states figured they'd catch you in the emissions inspection.
Anyone dumb enough to not take it back out for an emissions test, deserves whatever punishment there is.
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NoxObscuras
10/12/23 12:02:52 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Do people still roll coal?

That was a dumb idea 10 years ago, nowadays, it's probably one of the dumbest things you can do. Climate change denial is getting to be up there with flat earthing.
In 2021, I saw a lifted pickup truck with one in the flatbed. It was pumping black smoke straight up into the air. It was my one and only time seeing one though. Never knew what they were called until now

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Amakusa
10/12/23 12:07:01 PM
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Ricemills posted...
It's top dumb because it's pure dumbassery.
Other dumb things Americans did at least has an excuse despite being a wrong excuse. This one is real stupidity and pettiness.
Even being anti-environmental, they know that the smog is a harmful pollution.
Remembering what Los Angeles looked like 30 years ago I'm certain there's an entire generation of idiots who don't know what a smoggy environment looks like.

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Tyranthraxus
10/12/23 12:08:17 PM
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Amakusa posted...
Remembering what Los Angeles looked like 30 years ago I'm certain there's an entire generation of idiots who don't know what a smoggy environment looks like.
With the kinds of forest fires we have these days people are getting some sobering reminders.

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brestugo
10/12/23 5:51:33 PM
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ai123 posted...
All those silly pro-Trump flags hurt their fuel economy too.


IIRC, the big ass tires do too.

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Cocytus
10/12/23 5:53:06 PM
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That's a huge fine.

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Null_Gain
10/12/23 5:53:39 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Do people still roll coal?

That was a dumb idea 10 years ago, nowadays, it's probably one of the dumbest things you can do. Climate change denial is getting to be up there with flat earthing.

Do you even Texas?

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Powdered_Toast
10/12/23 5:55:22 PM
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There's no way there were actually 350,000 of them sold, right?

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Robot2600
10/12/23 6:22:34 PM
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Powdered_Toast posted...
There's no way there were actually 350,000 of them sold, right?

/insert anakin and padme meme

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