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God is real and he loves all of you.

John 3:16

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RyukSan posted...

I have plenty of understanding of the great Book of Contradictions.

As for babbling in circles, the irony.

"I know you are but what am I"

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Sure thing

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

The Bible

NittanyLions23 posted...

God is real and he loves all of you.

John 3:16

Because a book written by men says so? Sorry, thats not proof.

What made me tired with "it's all in God's plan" folks is that they don't realize that God's plan is including free will, which mean people are mostly responsible on what happens.

Anyone that says to find the info in the bible, and then disappears is clearly trolling. That book is full of straight-out-of-fiction stories. Nothing scientific about it.

Ricemills posted...

What made me tired with "it's all in God's plan" folks is that they don't realize that God's plan is including free will, which mean people are mostly responsible on what happens.

This is a really good point.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Anyone that says to find the info in the bible, and then disappears is clearly trolling. That book is full of straight-out-of-fiction stories. Nothing scientific about it.

Calls me a troll for not quoting scripture on GameFAQs.Gamespot.com then literally trolls. Thanks bud.

In a thread about "if the Christian God is real" you're really gonna pop in with "it's all fiction"? Smart.

How the fuck do you walk into a thread about "if the Christian God were real" and with a straight face say "the Bible isn't scientific", like you didn't walk in here intending to troll.

This is getting funny. Post the bible scriptures or get out. You made the claim about the bible having the answers, so you need to provide the sources. The onus is on you.

SocialistGamer posted...

nuclear war was about to happen?

Indeed men are fortunate that God can still be found these days. Because the Devil is down on earth, and his angels with him, tempting men.

Men cry out when bad things start happening, but do they question why these things are happening?

God declared the end from the beginning, so we're just living out the story really.

Pikachuchupika posted...

This is getting funny. Post the bible scriptures or get out. You made the claim about the bible having the answers, so you need to provide the sources. The onus is on you.

No, it's actually not on me at all to read the Bible to you. This is not a high school debate. You came into this thread with shitty intentions, so you can leave with them too.

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Im not posting scripture on GameFAQs, and I'd have no idea how to distill the Bible and its parables down like that. Thats definitely not a skill of mine.

Ive gotta say I apologize if your initial ask was sincere. I assumed you were copping the same ignorant attitude as some others in the thread when you asked me to post "the text", because the way we both phrased it has you asking me to post the whole Bible. Sorry for the misunderstanding on that.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

No, it's actually not on me at all to read the Bible to you. This is not a high school debate. You came into this thread with shitty intentions, so you can leave with them too.

The bible is freaking huge. How are we supposed to know which part you're claiming about?

Pikachuchupika posted...

The bible is freaking huge. How are we supposed to know which part you're claiming about?

You're definitely supposed to know about what you go into a topic to rail against, yeah. We've got a whole generation of GOPers playing that game. If you take on that task youre unprepared for then that's on you.

You're not trying to learn anything anyways, so troll away, bro bro.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

You're definitely supposed to know about what you go into a topic to rail against, yeah. We've got a whole generation of GOPers playing that game. If you take on that task youre unprepared for then that's on you.

You're not trying to learn anything anyways, so troll away, bro bro.

Uh yeah, I AM trying to learn stuff. But you're the one being vague and disingenuous about all of this. I love how you got all defensive after I called you a troll, and now you're acting like a 12 year old "No you're the troll lolol". Now that I think about it...I doubt you've even read the bible yourself.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Uh yeah, I AM trying to learn stuff. But you're the one being vague and disingenuous about all of this. I love how you got all defensive after I called you a troll, and now you're acting like a 12 year old "No you're the troll lolol". Now that I think about it...I doubt you've even read the bible yourself.

Dude

Pikachuchupika posted...

That book is full of straight-out-of-fiction stories. Nothing scientific about it.

Shut up lol

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Dude

Shut up lol

No you shut up lol.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

What made you come to this conclusion? If you don't have free will, you believe in determinism. Which means this entire argument is pointless. So why the fuck are you engaging in it other than your direct path was to be as unavoidably obtuse and annoying as possible?

Here's a thought experiment. What aspects of free will would you remove from the equation that would prevent your loaded example? How do you logically go about doing that? And if free will doesn't exist, the philosophical question becomes - does it even matter? That's a pretty cynical outlook.

There is nothing in the scientic method that eliminates the possibility of "God", or the explanation thereof of how things came to be and if there are higher entities outside this universe. You can believe in science while simultaneously believing in God if you should choose. You could also believe in something totally different. None of it is verifiably correct or can be proven. That's the whole idea of faith and spirituality.

I'm not talking about determinism. I'm talking about my autism, my brain. I don't want to hear shit about my parents' DNA having free will or something. I am literally incapable of choosing to believe in the irrational. I don't give a damn if doing that magically becomes "annoying" and "trolling" when we apply rationality and science to spirituality. I have no logical reason to value a deity anymore than anything else that isn't proven to exist.

There is no point in faith and spirituality. Why would anyone want to believe in something unfalsifiable that they can't even sense? "Science doesn't disprove deities because they exist outside of science" is just a copout. Why should we believe anything exists outside of science and the laws of the universe everything else follows? Why can't absence of evidence suggest gods don't exist? Why do they get to ignore the rules?

You keep talking about free will, but then when God's nature kills someone it's "Well tumors have free will too so oh well. Unimaginable pain and suffering are a small price to pay for true free will." Schmackledorfs don't exist and we still supposedly have free will, so God could have created the world without cancer or child molestation from the get-go and no one would have known the difference. You can't lose free will if certain things never existed in the universe in the first place. God can keep his fucking unchecked free will if the cost is this high. I didn't volunteer to suffer for everyone else's benefit and neither did the billions who have had it far worse than me. He's supposedly much smarter than us. He could have figured it out if he existed.

The God you have described does not just sound cold, but incomprehensibly evil. There couldn't be a more hopeless scenario than anything you describe existing.

I don't think God or the Creator gives a damn either way.

Life is what it is.

This topic should removed for trolling.

I already obliterated TC on page 2.

Theres no reason this topic should still be open.

hockeybub89 posted...

I'm not talking about determinism. I'm talking about my autism, my brain. I don't want to hear shit about my parents' DNA having free will or something. I am literally incapable of choosing to believe in the irrational. I don't give a damn if doing that magically becomes "annoying" and "trolling" when we apply rationality and science to spirituality. I have no logical reason to value a deity anymore than anything else that isn't proven to exist.

There is no point in faith and spirituality. Why would anyone want to believe in something unfalsifiable that they can't even sense? "Science doesn't disprove deities because they exist outside of science" is just a copout. Why should we believe anything exists outside of science and the laws of the universe everything else follows? Why can't absence of evidence suggest gods don't exist? Why do they get to ignore the rules?

You keep talking about free will, but then when God's nature kills someone it's "Well tumors have free will too so oh well. Unimaginable pain and suffering are a small price to pay for true free will." Schmackledorfs don't exist and we still supposedly have free will, so God could have created the world without cancer or child molestation from the get-go and no one would have known the difference. You can't lose free will if certain things never existed in the universe in the first place. God can keep his fucking unchecked free will if the cost is this high. I didn't volunteer to suffer for everyone else's benefit and neither did the billions who have had it far worse than me. He's supposedly much smarter than us. He could have figured it out if he existed.

The God you have described does not just sound cold, but incomprehensibly evil. There couldn't be a more hopeless scenario than anything you describe existing.

You do realize constantly shitting on people who use faith and spirituality to become better people and calm their anxieties is a really shitty thing to do? You can have your own opinion about God or spirituality, no matter how cynical or vindictive. But we are talking about people itt that don't subscribe to the Christian god, they subscribe to what gives them hope and comfort.

Making a point to shit on that is pretty despicable. Using your autism as an excuse is even worse. There are plenty of autistic people who choose to be spiritual. There's nothing wrong with that.

You can continue doing whatever makes you happy. But don't start making others feel bad because of your own views. It is no different than evangelicals who constantly berate others that they are going to hell for the simplest things.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

You do realize constantly shitting on people who use faith and spirituality to become better people and calm their anxieties is a really shitty thing to do? You can have your own opinion about God or spirituality, no matter how cynical or vindictive. But we are talking about people itt that don't subscribe to the Christian god, they subscribe to what gives them hope and comfort.

Making a point to shit on that is pretty despicable. Using your autism as an excuse is even worse. There are plenty of autistic people who choose to be spiritual. There's nothing wrong with that.

You can continue doing whatever makes you happy. But don't start making others feel bad because of your own views. It is no different than evangelicals who constantly berate others that they are going to hell for the simplest things.

But when I laugh at Zak Bagans, no one calls me cynical and vindictive for disrespecting paranormal believers.

It is not wrong for me to say it isn't real, and I never said people are bad people for being spiritual.

hockeybub89 posted...

But when I laugh at Zak Bagans, no one calls me cynical and vindictive for disrespecting paranormal believers.

It is not wrong for me to say it isn't real, and I never said people are bad people for being spiritual.

You are increasingly hovering over the line when you make bad faith statements like "God invented child molestation and cancer" and "I'm suffering for your benefit".

You are being incredibly vindictive when you constantly come into these topics and start making statements like that. If you want to go ahead and say those things against evangelicals who preach hate? By all means, more power to you. But there are people who genuinely use faith and spirituality for positivity. Stop shitting on that.

Comparing God to an elf like you did earlier in this topic is even worse. It's disingenuous and shows you aren't actually taking the time to read what people say. You'd rather shout your take over and over again until someone feels as bad as you do about God and denounces him. It ain't going to work chief.

The problem arises when if there's a tragedy people say things like "it's all part of god's plan for you/them." And will often use it as a recruitment argument by saying something like "turn to god and he'll help you through this. He can give you everything you want."

Some people fall for it, others understandably say "can he really? If this is all part of his plan what can he give me to make up for it?" This is often met by "he can give you his love".

So with that, if pain, loss and/or suffering is all part of his grand plan for us it stands to reason that it is caused by god himself and is a means to get us to conform and align ourselves with him.

Some people take issue with that.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

You are increasingly hovering over the line when you make bad faith statements like "God invented child molestation and cancer" and "I'm suffering for your benefit".

You are being incredibly vindictive when you constantly come into these topics and start making statements like that. If you want to go ahead and say those things against evangelicals who preach hate? By all means, more power to you. But there are people who genuinely use faith and spirituality for positivity. Stop shitting on that.

Comparing God to an elf like you did earlier in this topic is even worse. It's disingenuous and shows you aren't actually taking the time to read what people say. You'd rather shout your take over and over again until someone feels as bad as you do about God and denounces him. It ain't going to work chief.

This is what I'm talking about. It's just supposed to be "obvious" to me why believing in God is different than elves, or how God obviously didn't invent cancer and can't get rid of it. But it isn't obvious to me. No one actually tries to explain it. No one shows empirical evidence. And then it's all "even if there was proof, you wouldn't believe it". I wouldn't have to believe then. It would just be.

It doesn't even make sense for you to say it would be okay for me to question the validity of religions if I was talking to some hateful evangelical, but rude and unacceptable anywhere else. It's okay to insult religions if you do it to bad people?

I live in a country that was conquered culturally and religiously many times. Islam is now on its way to become the latest largest and most influential religion. After that another one will follow. Why should I pick out the bible specifically as the book that has the true word?

Zwijn posted...

I live in a country that was conquered culturally and religiously many times. Islam is now on its way to become the latest largest and most influential religion. After that another one will follow. Why should I pick out the bible specifically as the book that has the true word?

"The Bible is true because the Bible tells us so!" Pure circular logic.

I dont see in religion evidence of the mystery of the incarnation, but rather the mystery of social order. Religion associates heaven with an idea of equality that keeps the rich from being massacred by the poor.

- Napoleon Bonaparte

He had it right. Its some nice stories that are ultimately a tool of control.

Imagine learning a form of propaganda from your parents, then passing it down to your child that is meant to keep you in a state of suffering so that your 'betters' can exploit you. It lets them get away with things like dumping cancerous chemicals everywhere and blaming your cancer on you and your relationship with god, instead of the fact that they poisoned you. It lets them send you off to war to die by the millions so they can enrich themselves.

The irony about the Bible and other holy texts, is that they were actually really expensive to produce in their time. This means that it was literally the rich who wrote and distributed them.

TyVulpine posted...

"The Bible is true because the Bible tells us so!" Pure circular logic.

The Quran says that the Bible is both correct and corrupt.

Foppe posted...

The Quran says that the Bible is both correct and corrupt.

Wonder why so many kings felt the need to edit it after the fact