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Yo_D_oY
10/17/23 8:35:59 PM
#249:


The amount of anti-Israel and blame-Israel-first I see in this thread... and everywhere else on the internet sure explains to me how Hitler's genocide came to be in the first place.

Hamas are literally terrorists that committed a terrorist attack half the size of 9/11 on the holiest day for Jews, they are using Palestinians as human shields, they have no care in the world other than killing Jews, and so many of you are on the cusp of backing them. It's asinine.

Wars are incredibly difficult to document factually on the spot. There's a lot of misinformation in this very thread that's been debunked since this incident. But the fact of the matter is that one side are literal terrorists and the other is retaliating to a massive terrorist attack and many of you are blaming Israel every chance you get. It's unreal.

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 8:40:12 PM
#250:


Yo_D_oY posted...
and the other is retaliating to a massive terrorist attack

wwwwith terrorists attacks. And at a scale that completely overshadows the other.
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LaManoNeraII
10/17/23 8:40:19 PM
#251:


ClayGuida posted...
Defend it all you want, it's a barbaric statement to make that shows not a single ounce of care or compassion for innocent lives. If that's cool with you, so be it. It's deplorable to every sane, rational human being though.

Its barbaric to use civilians as a shield for your ethnic cleansing and terrorism. Its equally barbaric to defend those actions as well, which is what youre doing.

You apparently want peace, but Hamas doesnt. Whats your solution?

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 8:43:06 PM
#252:


LaManoNeraII posted...
You apparently want peace, but Hamas doesnt. Whats your solution?

Hamas was willing to give up all hostages for a cease fire. Israel gave the middle finger and launched missiles.

What does that say about them and the value of those hostages?
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Da-Etiquette
10/17/23 8:44:38 PM
#253:


Yo_D_oY posted...


Hamas are literally terrorists that committed a terrorist attack half the size of 9/11 on the holiest day for Jews, they are using Palestinians as human shields, they have no care in the world other than killing Jews, and so many of you are on the cusp of backing them. It's asinine.

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GranAures
10/17/23 8:45:54 PM
#254:


Today I learned being against bombing hospitals and using white phosphorous mean supporting Hamas and being someone who would support Hitler.

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Enclave
10/17/23 8:45:57 PM
#255:


Yo_D_oY posted...
The amount of anti-Israel and blame-Israel-first I see in this thread... and everywhere else on the internet sure explains to me how Hitler's genocide came to be in the first place.

Literally no need to read the rest of your post. Equating Israel with Jewish people is pretty damn offensive. Do better.

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LaManoNeraII
10/17/23 8:46:27 PM
#256:


TheNextLink posted...
Hamas was willing to give up all hostages for a cease fire. Israel gave the middle finger and launched missiles.

What does that say about them and the value of those hostages?

What reality did this happen?

Because in this reality, Israel said they would resume power to Gaza if the hostages were released. Hamas did not release hostages. And Israel still restored power.

Anyway, they have the receipts

https://x.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1714431902373892400?s=20

Anymore proof uncovered showing Israel is responsible?

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Yo_D_oY
10/17/23 8:48:20 PM
#257:


TheNextLink posted...
wwwwith terrorists attacks. And at a scale that completely overshadows the other.
If you call what Israel is doing is terrorism, then every war must be terrorism to you.

What would you do if you were Netanyahu? Sit on your hands and hope Hamas surrenders? I swear you all probably never were educated on this conflict before this attack.

One side beheads and rapes babies and murders their innocent familes. Guess which side that is?

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 8:49:02 PM
#258:


I am not inclined to believe the claims of a CNN reporter as they are incentivized to solely detail pro-Israel sentiment so they don't get fired.

Yo_D_oY posted...
then every war must be terrorism to you.

No way, ya think????
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Antifar
10/17/23 8:49:38 PM
#259:


Yo_D_oY posted...
What would you do if you were Netanyahu?
The majority of Israeli citizens want him to resign.

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Enclave
10/17/23 8:49:52 PM
#260:


Yo_D_oY posted...
If you call what Israel is doing is terrorism, then every war must be terrorism to you.

What would you do if you were Netanyahu? Sit on your hands and hope Hamas surrenders? I swear you all probably never were educated on this conflict before this attack.

One side beheads and rapes babies and murders their innocent familes. Guess which side that is?

Do you really want to compare which side in this conflict has killed more babies and murdered innocent families over the years? This isn't a comparison that looks particularly good on Israel you know.

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 8:51:10 PM
#261:


Yo_D_oY posted...
The amount of anti-Israel and blame-Israel-first I see in this thread... and everywhere else on the internet sure explains to me how Hitler's genocide came to be in the first place.

Hamas are literally terrorists that committed a terrorist attack half the size of 9/11 on the holiest day for Jews, they are using Palestinians as human shields, they have no care in the world other than killing Jews, and so many of you are on the cusp of backing them. It's asinine.

Wars are incredibly difficult to document factually on the spot. There's a lot of misinformation in this very thread that's been debunked since this incident. But the fact of the matter is that one side are literal terrorists and the other is retaliating to a massive terrorist attack and many of you are blaming Israel every chance you get. It's unreal.

No one's backing Hamas here. We're just not turning a blind eye to Israel terrorism either. What debunked information btw? I only know of Israel constantly walking back their propaganda after being proven lies. Who do you think has more capabilities to push out false information between Hamas and Israel? Think, bro. Also, do some history research. If you truly think that the side mostly likely of genocide are the ones standing by Palestinians, then you haven't been paying attention.
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GranAures
10/17/23 8:51:46 PM
#262:


So Israel had no choice but to use white phosphorous?


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PballDepot
10/17/23 8:52:02 PM
#263:


Yo_D_oY posted...
If you call what Israel is doing is terrorism, then every war must be terrorism to you.

How about calling them war crimes?


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modena
10/17/23 8:53:06 PM
#264:


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LaManoNeraII
10/17/23 8:54:16 PM
#265:


PballDepot posted...
How about calling them war crimes?

Hamas is not a sovereign nation and they themselves are not abiding by the rules of war or any international accords. THEY ARE TERRORISTS

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Intro2Logic
10/17/23 8:55:16 PM
#266:


I'm afraid that the line between terrorists and state actors is thinner than you want it to be.

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Strider102
10/17/23 8:55:30 PM
#267:


Yo_D_oY posted...
If you call what Israel is doing is terrorism, then every war must be terrorism to you.

What would you do if you were Netanyahu? Sit on your hands and hope Hamas surrenders? I swear you all probably never were educated on this conflict before this attack.

One side beheads and rapes babies and murders their innocent familes. Guess which side that is?

It's ironic to say no one else is educated when Israel has been doing the exact same thing as Hamas for decades, they're both monsters, they're both terrorists.

The only ones that are innocent are the ones caught in the middle, the people who have to suffer this.

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 8:56:15 PM
#268:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Hamas is not a sovereign nation and they themselves are not abiding by the rules of war or any international accords. THEY ARE TERRORISTS

And I suppose because of that brand, you consider them more evil than warmongering nations with far more power than they do?
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Enclave
10/17/23 8:56:15 PM
#269:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Hamas is not a sovereign nation and they themselves are not abiding by the rules of war or any international accords. THEY ARE TERRORISTS

So Israel bombing civilians isn't war crimes because of this reason then that means they're doing terrorism, yeah? Or what? Do you think bombing refugees fleeing Northern Gaza like Israel told them to along a route Israel said they should use is just fine?

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Tom_Joad
10/17/23 8:56:22 PM
#270:


GranAures posted...
So Israel had no choice but to use white phosphorous?

There are actual legitimate uses for white phosphorous artillery shells. So you can't simply equate white phosphorous with bad.

Not without more information. Which is sorely lacking.

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LaManoNeraII
10/17/23 8:56:34 PM
#271:


Enclave posted...
Do you really want to compare which side in this conflict has killed more babies and murdered innocent families over the years? This isn't a comparison that looks particularly good on Israel you know.

Hamas builds their HQ, bunkers, tunnels, and stockpiles in heavily populated civilian areas, including hospitals and schools, to deliberately maximize civilian casualties when Israel attacks them. This is literally a war crime. Do you condone it?

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Strider102
10/17/23 8:59:08 PM
#272:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Hamas builds their HQ, bunkers, tunnels, and stockpiles in heavily populated civilian areas, including hospitals and schools, to deliberately maximize civilian casualties when Israel attacks them. This is literally a war crime. Do you condone it?

No one is saying they condone it. That doesn't excuse the fact that Israel is knowingly and willingly killing innocent people, just as they've been doing for decades.

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 8:59:31 PM
#273:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Do you condone it?

Do you condone Israel leveling Gaza? Or the decades long terrorism they've participated in on Palestinians?
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ZaruenKosai
10/17/23 9:00:55 PM
#274:


IDF propaganda network is out in full force tonight.

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Enclave
10/17/23 9:00:56 PM
#275:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Hamas builds their HQ, bunkers, tunnels, and stockpiles in heavily populated civilian areas, including hospitals and schools, to deliberately maximize civilian casualties when Israel attacks them. This is literally a war crime. Do you condone it?

Like that time Israel blew up a building that the AP and other reporters were using because Hamas was in there even though the investigative reporters using the building every day said they saw no signs of Hamas in there?

Israel likes to claim Hamas is everywhere at all times.

I don't support Hamas in the slightest but holy shit that doesn't mean I'm going to shill for a terrorist state like Israel.

Now please, answer my question, if bombing civilians evacuating from Northern Gaza along routes Israel told them to use isn't a war crime then what is it? Stop your deflection and answer the question. Is it a war crime or is it terrorism or is it justified? Or will you continue to deflect instead of actually answering the question? I know it's a hard question because the only real choices are choices you probably don't want to put on Israel because you support them so much.

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ClayGuida
10/17/23 9:01:17 PM
#276:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Its barbaric to use civilians as a shield for your ethnic cleansing and terrorism. Its equally barbaric to defend those actions as well, which is what youre doing.

You apparently want peace, but Hamas doesnt. Whats your solution?
Israel clearly doesn't want peace or they would have adhered to the warnings from Egypt, they also wouldn't fund Hamas and say it's important. They also wouldn't lie incessantly when they murder journalists intentionally. They also wouldn't bomb schools, hospitals, and shelters.

If Israel wanted peace, they know what the solution is. They don't want peace. They want to exterminate the opposition and are willing to do everything they can to do it, like killing thousands of children.

"But 40 beheaded children" - Yea, that's absolutely disgusting if true
"What about the thousand dead Palestinian children that Israel has killed in response" - Absolute fucking crickets from your kind.

The point is, there's one right answer to this conflict, and it isn't murdering innocent civilians forced to travel hours from their home on foot, while getting bombed by a fascist regime.

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Intro2Logic
10/17/23 9:02:18 PM
#277:


LaManoNeraII posted...
Hamas builds their HQ, bunkers, tunnels, and stockpiles in heavily populated civilian areas, including hospitals and schools, to deliberately maximize civilian casualties when Israel attacks them.

Gaza is two million people in a piece of land smaller than Denver. It's all a heavily populated civilian area.

Also, there is one really neat trick to not look bad for causing civilian casualties.

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Yo_D_oY
10/17/23 9:03:43 PM
#278:


Strider102 posted...
It's ironic to say no one else is educated when Israel has been doing the exact same thing as Hamas for decades, they're both monsters, they're both terrorists.

The only ones that are innocent are the ones caught in the middle, the people who have to suffer this.
Please show me evidence of Israel beheading and raping babies. Show me the evidence that Israel uses their own civilians as human shields. Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

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hockeybub89
10/17/23 9:04:03 PM
#279:


Intro2Logic posted...
Gaza is two million people in a piece of land smaller than Denver. It's all a heavily populated civilian area.

Also, there is one really neat trick to not look bad for causing civilian casualties.
Chuds be like "You can't not bomb terrorists just because they hide among millions of innocent people in a heavily populated area. Are you supposed to do nothing?"

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hockeybub89
10/17/23 9:04:45 PM
#280:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.
*points to Israel*

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Intro2Logic
10/17/23 9:04:53 PM
#281:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.
It's happening right now
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/fears-grow-people-are-dehydrating-to-death-in-gaza-as-clean-water-runs-out

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 9:05:02 PM
#282:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Please show me evidence of Israel beheading and raping babies

As soon as you do the other
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Shadow_Don
10/17/23 9:07:32 PM
#283:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

There's a ton of videos of them stealing land and murdering people in the West Bank.

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DUKLegend
10/17/23 9:07:47 PM
#284:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

Time to do some research, buddy.

Sure, if you don't trust information of the past week, look into history which is far more set in stone at this point.
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Yo_D_oY
10/17/23 9:09:07 PM
#285:


TheNextLink posted...
As soon as you do the other
I'd post a video that one of the terrorists took but it'd obviously get me banned. And all the evidence you can find quickly with a google search you'd already denounce as 'propaganda' or some shit.

https://twitter.com/idf/status/1712282365924343910?s=46
https://twitter.com/lmgaveriaux/status/1711809397297430936
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-babies-killed-hamas-terror-attack-kibbutz-kfar-aza-first-responders-say/
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-says-hamas-took-children-bound-them-up-burned-them-and-executed-them/news-story/b9e1044ee61ceaa9ce27806a69227f51
https://www.worldopress.com/post/tragic-discovery-in-israel-babies-and-toddlers-were-found-with-heads-decapitated

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FlyEaglesFly24
10/17/23 9:09:47 PM
#286:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Please show me evidence of Israel beheading and raping babies. Show me the evidence that Israel uses their own civilians as human shields. Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

I wouldnt bother with these people. Theyve already made up their minds.


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10/17/23 9:10:07 PM
#287:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

People still really think all this shit just happened out of nowhere huh? Nevermind the endless provocation and mistreatment that went on this year alone in the West Bank with not a single news report. Does it justify terrorism? No, but Israel is not innocent.
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hockeybub89
10/17/23 9:10:16 PM
#288:


GranAures posted...
Today I learned being against bombing hospitals and using white phosphorous mean supporting Hamas and being someone who would support Hitler.
I'm sure these same people were crying about the left "letting terrorists burn down entire cities without repercussion" during the BLM protests.

But a fascist government literally continues to commit human rights atrocities for YEARS and it's some "Oh so Jews need to just suffer and go extinct instead of standing up for themselves?" concern troll.

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 9:10:21 PM
#289:


You kicked off that post with a tweet from IDF???


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hockeybub89
10/17/23 9:11:35 PM
#290:


Yo_D_oY posted...
I'd post a video that one of the terrorists took but it'd obviously get me banned. And all the evidence you can find quickly with a google search you'd already denounce as 'propaganda' or some shit.

https://twitter.com/idf/status/1712282365924343910?s=46
https://twitter.com/lmgaveriaux/status/1711809397297430936
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-babies-killed-hamas-terror-attack-kibbutz-kfar-aza-first-responders-say/
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-says-hamas-took-children-bound-them-up-burned-them-and-executed-them/news-story/b9e1044ee61ceaa9ce27806a69227f51
https://www.worldopress.com/post/tragic-discovery-in-israel-babies-and-toddlers-were-found-with-heads-decapitated
Cool. Everyone here already knows Hamas is bad. Sucks that Israel isn't any better than them.

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ClayGuida
10/17/23 9:12:03 PM
#291:


Yo_D_oY posted...
I'd post a video that one of the terrorists took but it'd obviously get me banned. And all the evidence you can find quickly with a google search you'd already denounce as 'propaganda' or some shit.

https://twitter.com/idf/status/1712282365924343910?s=46
https://twitter.com/lmgaveriaux/status/1711809397297430936
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-babies-killed-hamas-terror-attack-kibbutz-kfar-aza-first-responders-say/
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-says-hamas-took-children-bound-them-up-burned-them-and-executed-them/news-story/b9e1044ee61ceaa9ce27806a69227f51
https://www.worldopress.com/post/tragic-discovery-in-israel-babies-and-toddlers-were-found-with-heads-decapitated
https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1524279111547596805

Yea, Israel lies. Constantly. Innocent entities don't need to lie 24/7.

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GranAures
10/17/23 9:12:31 PM
#292:


Cool.

Fuck Hamas for killing babies and hiding behind human shields.

Fuck Israel for using white phosphorus, bombing a hospital, and actively positing that they want to drop hundreds of tons of explosive on Gaza, all of which will predominately kill civilians who have no part in the conflict.

And fuck anybody who thinks that pointing out that the leaders of both sides have no concern for the civilian cost means being a nazi.

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Strider102
10/17/23 9:12:38 PM
#293:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
I wouldnt bother with these people. Theyve already made up their minds.

Yep that's why I'm out. Even if you showed them proof they'd just deny it.


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KTG2
10/17/23 9:15:27 PM
#294:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
I wouldnt bother with these people. Theyve already made up their minds.

Well yeah, our minds actually work and choose to see an ethnic cleansing in progress and an Israeli regime that lies *constantly*

You guzzle propaganda at an alarming rate

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FlyEaglesFly24
10/17/23 9:15:49 PM
#295:


Strider102 posted...
Yep that's why I'm out. Even if you showed them proof they'd just deny it.

Theres a reason why this conflict continues to go around in circles. Hamas greatest weapon right now is misinformation and social media. These toxic conversations are exactly what they want.

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GranAures
10/17/23 9:15:50 PM
#296:


Yes. It is pretty easy to have a made up mind of realizing both sides' leaders are happily willing to keep killing civilians so long as they can pretend they're hurting the "other" while feeling for the people in the middle losing their lives.

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TheNextLink
10/17/23 9:16:51 PM
#297:


Are we at that "both sides" stage, now?
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ZaruenKosai
10/17/23 9:17:07 PM
#298:


Yo_D_oY posted...
Please show me evidence of Israel beheading and raping babies.
propaganda... it was debunked several times and is now used as juicy propaganda by the ignorant to say palestine deserves to be genocided,
because hamas beheds babies, etc , etc. .. which already means equating all palestinians to hamas terrorists, and most definitely does not give Israel the right to than commit far worse atrocities.

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