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Inohira 10/23/23 8:28:14 PM #151:	JK Rowling's beliefs are bad but they shouldn't be illegal. Only good thing about America compared to other 1st world countries is the free speech. --- 1 line break(s), 121 characters allowed <cite>Inohira posted [p:976824261] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>JK Rowling's beliefs are bad but they shouldn't be illegal.Only good thing about America compared to other 1st world countries is the free speech. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/23/23 8:28:54 PM #152:	Inohira posted... they shouldn't be illegal. yes they should, they lead to violence against us. free speech absolutism is naive af <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976824276] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Inohira posted... </cite><quote>they shouldn't be illegal.</quote>yes they should, they lead to violence against us. free speech absolutism is naive af</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 10/23/23 8:28:56 PM #153:	Gobstoppers12 posted... I mean, it is *definitely* a political view. I agree with it, personally, but it is absolutely a political issue. It's not as simple as declaring that a subject "isn't political," because if another viewpoint strongly disagrees and significant political discourse centers around the matter, it is undeniably a political issue. The very definitions of words like man, woman, gender, etc. have become frequent topics of political debate over the last couple of decades. It was a big topic of debate in Germany in the 1930s and we all know how that turned out The Forgotten History of the Worlds First Trans Clinic The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadnt fallen victim to Nazi ideology https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/ <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:976824279] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>I mean, it is definitely a political view. I agree with it, personally, but it is absolutely a political issue.It's not as simple as declaring that a subject "isn't political," because if another viewpoint strongly disagrees and significant political discourse centers around the matter, it is undeniably a political issue.The very definitions of words like man, woman, gender, etc. have become frequent topics of political debate over the last couple of decades.</quote>It was a big topic of debate in Germany in the 1930s and we all know how that turned outThe Forgotten History of the Worlds First Trans ClinicThe Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadnt fallen victim to Nazi ideologyhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 10/23/23 8:34:33 PM #154:	I seriously doubt she gives a shit about people burning HP books and merchandise. She already got paid for them and has enough money to be set for 3 lifetimes. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976824379] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>I seriously doubt she gives a shit about people burning HP books and merchandise. She already got paid for them and has enough money to be set for 3 lifetimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/23/23 8:44:17 PM #155:	GranAures posted... "Jail me for hating trans people." JK Rowling "Okay. Bye Felicia." - Everybody else "You guys are fucked." - Way too may people who think they deserve to be taken seriously I'm sure next will get a "difference of opinion" post from somebody And sure enough we got the last part too. Raise your hand if your surprised? Some people wanting trans people to die is totally just a "difference of opinion." --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976824559] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>"Jail me for hating trans people." JK Rowling"Okay. Bye Felicia." - Everybody else"You guys are fucked." - Way too may people who think they deserve to be taken seriouslyI'm sure next will get a "difference of opinion" post from somebody</quote>And sure enough we got the last part too.Raise your hand if your surprised?Some people wanting trans people to die is totally just a "difference of opinion." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ninjaluver 10/23/23 8:46:19 PM #156:	Humble_Novice posted... What did transgender people ever do to her to begin with? She's a TERF. Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Her belief is that treating transgender women as women undercuts the ideals of feminism. Whereas feminism seeks to establish that gender norms shouldn't exist and that women and men are equals with no differences except biological ones, she believes the concept of transgenderism undercuts that notion and reinforces gender norms. Absolutely no way she'd ever actually go to prison for 2 years though. A billionaire could never accept prison for their principles. <cite>Ninjaluver posted [p:976824601] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>What did transgender people ever do to her to begin with?</quote>She's a TERF. Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Her belief is that treating transgender women as women undercuts the ideals of feminism. Whereas feminism seeks to establish that gender norms shouldn't exist and that women and men are equals with no differences except biological ones, she believes the concept of transgenderism undercuts that notion and reinforces gender norms. Absolutely no way she'd ever actually go to prison for 2 years though. A billionaire could never accept prison for their principles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/23/23 8:51:19 PM #157:	Don't worry. It's okay. Poor JK Rowling isn't going to sing sing dispite her insistence that she would be totally happy too. You have nothing to worry about. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976824709] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Don't worry. It's okay. Poor JK Rowling isn't going to sing sing dispite her insistence that she would be totally happy too.You have nothing to worry about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KitKats 10/23/23 8:55:06 PM #158:	Gobstoppers12 posted... I mean, it is *definitely* a political view. I agree with it, personally, but it is absolutely a political issue. lol no. Thats like saying the earth is flat is a political view, or that vaccines cause autism is a political view. Do you consider these to be political views that you disagree with? My existence is not up for debate and trans people are not political ideology. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/8/AAcv9ZAAEfSs.jpg [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Thank you <3 GranAures posted... And sure enough we got the last part too. Raise your hand if your surprised? Some people wanting trans people to die is totally just a "difference of opinion." Yup yup --- her/she <cite>KitKats posted [p:976824771] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>I mean, it is definitely a political view. I agree with it, personally, but it is absolutely a political issue.</quote>lol no. Thats like saying the earth is flat is a political view, or that vaccines cause autism is a political view. Do you consider these to be political views that you disagree with? My existence is not up for debate and trans people are not political ideology.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/8/AAcv9ZAAEfSs.jpg <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Thank you <3GranAures posted... </cite><quote>And sure enough we got the last part too.Raise your hand if your surprised?Some people wanting trans people to die is totally just a "difference of opinion."</quote>Yup yup </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/23/23 8:57:23 PM #159:	GATTJT posted... Imagine being willing to go to prison because you can't get over your irrational hatred for a group of people JK Rowling knows she will never personally go to prison for her speech, even if she were to directly incite violence she will personally never face consequences for her speech whether you believe she deserves them, or if people in less of a privileged position would actually be jailed for breaking similar speech laws. She's trying to play the victim and use the language of the oppressed while literally being the oppressor. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976824815] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>GATTJT posted... </cite><quote>Imagine being willing to go to prison because you can't get over your irrational hatred for a group of people</quote>JK Rowling knows she will never personally go to prison for her speech, even if she were to directly incite violence she will personally never face consequences for her speech whether you believe she deserves them, or if people in less of a privileged position would actually be jailed for breaking similar speech laws. She's trying to play the victim and use the language of the oppressed while literally being the oppressor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spartan_Jedi117 10/23/23 9:00:56 PM #160:	Hmm...TC got suspended. Can't how or why that happened. Gonna guess it was trying to support, defend, and justify fascism when it supports their political views --- WELL, SWEET MOTHER THERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES-BENZ!!! <cite>Spartan_Jedi117 posted [p:976824898] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Hmm...TC got suspended. Can't how or why that happened. Gonna guess it was trying to support, defend, and justify fascism when it supports their political views </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trivialbeing 10/23/23 9:02:34 PM #161:	she ain't going to prison although I'm sure some people would like that <cite>trivialbeing posted [p:976824922] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>she ain't going to prison although I'm sure some people would like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 9:23:58 PM #162:	KitKats posted... vaccines cause autism is a political view I mean...that is also definitely a political view. Yes, there is plenty of data to prove it wrong. There is also some research data to either cast doubt or outright support the theory (even if that data is incredibly flawed and most intelligent people will know it's faulty)...More specifically, the belief that the statement is true informs people's political views. Vaccines are a huge political issue. KitKats posted... My existence is not up for debate No, you definitely exist. But gender politics are definitely real. These political debates won't disappear just because you don't think they should be considered political issues. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976825300] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>KitKats posted... </cite><quote>vaccines cause autism is a political view</quote>I mean...that is also definitely a political view. Yes, there is plenty of data to prove it wrong. There is also some research data to either cast doubt or outright support the theory (even if that data is incredibly flawed and most intelligent people will know it's faulty)...More specifically, the belief that the statement is true informs people's political views.Vaccines are a huge political issue.KitKats posted... </cite><quote>My existence is not up for debate</quote>No, you definitely exist. But gender politics are definitely real. These political debates won't disappear just because you don't think they should be considered political issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 10/23/23 9:47:10 PM #164:	GranAures posted... "Jail me for hating trans people." JK Rowling "Okay. Bye Felicia." - Everybody else "You guys are fucked." -C_Pain I'm sure next will get a "difference of opinion" post from somebody Like fucking clockwork --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976825706] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>"Jail me for hating trans people." JK Rowling"Okay. Bye Felicia." - Everybody else"You guys are fucked." -C_PainI'm sure next will get a "difference of opinion" post from somebody</quote>Like fucking clockwork </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/23/23 9:51:03 PM #165:	"Gender politics" and the "debates" concerning them only exist because people want an excuse to hate others and tell them they don't deserve to exist. Totally just a "difference of opinion." I highly doubt those happy to downplay it as such would be as happy if their existence became target of political debate over if they should be allowed to exist. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976825775] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>"Gender politics" and the "debates" concerning them only exist because people want an excuse to hate others and tell them they don't deserve to exist.Totally just a "difference of opinion." I highly doubt those happy to downplay it as such would be as happy if their existence became target of political debate over if they should be allowed to exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 10:43:31 PM #166:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I'm going to use a rather controversial example here, but please understand I'm only referencing it as a counterpoint. There are widely-known and oft-discussed crime statistics out there which attribute 50% of all murders and violent crime in America to the African American population. Are those statistics political or not? --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976826600] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I'm going to use a rather controversial example here, but please understand I'm only referencing it as a counterpoint. There are widely-known and oft-discussed crime statistics out there which attribute 50% of all murders and violent crime in America to the African American population. Are those statistics political or not? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KitKats 10/23/23 10:52:15 PM #167:	The Washington Times published an opinion piece by Cheryl K. Chumley and essentially calls for execution: (trigger warning) An 11-year-old boy pretending to be a girl - because, in large part, his parents have pushed him to believe that - donned a flowery princess gown and served as the grand marshal of Orlandos pride parade to the clapping and cheering of a crowd of thousands. These sick, evil people, along with the boys sick, evil parents, will one day face an unimaginable wrath. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea, Matthew 18:6 states. This is the kind of stuff transphobic conservatives are promoting. --- her/she <cite>KitKats posted [p:976826717] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>The Washington Times published an opinion piece by Cheryl K. Chumley and essentially calls for execution:(trigger warning)<quote>An 11-year-old boy pretending to be a girl - because, in large part, his parents have pushed him to believe that - donned a flowery princess gown and served as the grand marshal of Orlandos pride parade to the clapping and cheering of a crowd of thousands. These sick, evil people, along with the boys sick, evil parents, will one day face an unimaginable wrath.But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea, Matthew 18:6 states.</quote>This is the kind of stuff transphobic conservatives are promoting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:00:16 PM #169:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] So you would say that the statistics can be a political issue despite being, on their face, factual? Those statistics do exist, and they can be cited and validated in their methodology. Factors such as bias, disproportionate sentencing, etc. can be used as counterpoints, but the fact that an argument against a statistic exists at all serves as proof that a "fact" can still be a subject of heated political debate. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976826845] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> So you would say that the statistics can be a political issue despite being, on their face, factual? Those statistics do exist, and they can be cited and validated in their methodology. Factors such as bias, disproportionate sentencing, etc. can be used as counterpoints, but the fact that an argument against a statistic exists at all serves as proof that a "fact" can still be a subject of heated political debate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/23/23 11:04:55 PM #171:	Whether trans women are women depends on what gender is. Some conceptions of gender (eg, those holding that gender has a biological basis independent of culture) imply that trans women are (or can be, depending on their biology) women, whereas other conceptions of gender (eg, the second-wave feminist/TERF position that gender is entirely a social construct) imply that trans women aren't women. So the question is whether we should consider "What is gender?" a political question or not. It seems to have direct political implications, and people's engagement with it often seems politically motivated, but I dunno. It's complicated. <cite>The_Apologist posted [p:976826926] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Whether trans women are women depends on what gender is. Some conceptions of gender (eg, those holding that gender has a biological basis independent of culture) imply that trans women are (or can be, depending on their biology) women, whereas other conceptions of gender (eg, the second-wave feminist/TERF position that gender is entirely a social construct) imply that trans women aren't women.So the question is whether we should consider "What is gender?" a political question or not. It seems to have direct political implications, and people's engagement with it often seems politically motivated, but I dunno. It's complicated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:08:28 PM #172:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] ...So you're saying it's a political issue because one side tends to interpret the data in one way while another side tends to interpret it in a different way? That's exactly what happens with gender politics, too. Both sides think they're correct. If you want to say an issue is "not political" then you'd have to get both sides to agree that it's not political. Otherwise, it's definitely political even if you don't believe it should be. Believing it shouldn't be political is a very different thing from deciding that it isn't political. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827012] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> ...So you're saying it's a political issue because one side tends to interpret the data in one way while another side tends to interpret it in a different way?That's exactly what happens with gender politics, too. Both sides think they're correct. If you want to say an issue is "not political" then you'd have to get both sides to agree that it's not political. Otherwise, it's definitely political even if you don't believe it should be. Believing it shouldn't be political is a very different thing from deciding that it isn't political. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/23/23 11:16:55 PM #174:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If gender is a social construct, then a person's gender is whatever gender is attributed to them by society. Being a man/woman means nothing more or less than being viewed by others as a man/woman. So if a trans woman passes flawlessly, I guess the social constructionist view would imply that she's a woman. But the social constructionist view straightforwardly denies the possibility of someone having a 'true' underlying gender that differs from how others perceive the person. <cite>The_Apologist posted [p:976827191] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If gender is a social construct, then a person's gender is whatever gender is attributed to them by society. Being a man/woman means nothing more or less than being viewed by others as a man/woman.So if a trans woman passes flawlessly, I guess the social constructionist view would imply that she's a woman. But the social constructionist view straightforwardly denies the possibility of someone having a 'true' underlying gender that differs from how others perceive the person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:21:16 PM #175:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This is where it becomes political. You think there is only one valid way to interpret the issue. That is your opinion on the matter. You can provide arguments to support this opinion. On the other hand, the other side can also provide arguments to support their opinion. Whether or not you agree with those arguments is irrelevant, because the very existence of those arguments is what makes the matter political. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] And both sides are pretty sure they're correct and would say the exact same thing, but they would mean opposite things. I think you understand what a political issue is. Feeling strongly about an issue is not enough to make it apolitical. In fact, the reason it's political in the first place is because people with multiple different viewpoints of the issue feel very strongly about their viewpoint. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] According to some people, yes. According to others, no. It's all up to interpretation and individual expressions. Political issues are not simple. Political issues are not black and white. People get very invested in political issues because they feel so strongly that they're in the right and their opposition is wrong. It's disingenuous to say that gender identity is not a political issue. Without a shred of doubt, it's a political issue. It's the subject of political discussion, debate, lawmaking, campaign platforms, etc. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827253] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This is where it becomes political. You think there is only one valid way to interpret the issue. That is your opinion on the matter. You can provide arguments to support this opinion.On the other hand, the other side can also provide arguments to support their opinion. Whether or not you agree with those arguments is irrelevant, because the very existence of those arguments is what makes the matter political.<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And both sides are pretty sure they're correct and would say the exact same thing, but they would mean opposite things.I think you understand what a political issue is. Feeling strongly about an issue is not enough to make it apolitical. In fact, the reason it's political in the first place is because people with multiple different viewpoints of the issue feel very strongly about their viewpoint.<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> According to some people, yes. According to others, no. It's all up to interpretation and individual expressions. Political issues are not simple. Political issues are not black and white. People get very invested in political issues because they feel so strongly that they're in the right and their opposition is wrong. It's disingenuous to say that gender identity is not a political issue. Without a shred of doubt, it's a political issue. It's the subject of political discussion, debate, lawmaking, campaign platforms, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 10/23/23 11:21:38 PM #176:	Southernfatman posted... Imagine having so much hatred in your heart for a group of innocent people that already faces so much hatred and bigotry to where you're fine with prison time for your beliefs. She and people like her are shit. --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:976827257] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>Imagine having so much hatred in your heart for a group of innocent people that already faces so much hatred and bigotry to where you're fine with prison time for your beliefs. She and people like her are shit.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:43:51 PM #178:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I can see we're not going to gain anything from arguing this any further. I've said what I intended to say and you've had your chance to do the same. Respectfully, I still disagree with you. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827588] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I can see we're not going to gain anything from arguing this any further. I've said what I intended to say and you've had your chance to do the same. Respectfully, I still disagree with you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Apologist 10/23/23 11:44:03 PM #179:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Do you grant that "How should society work?" is a political question? And that proposed answers express political positions? I'm trying to understand what you mean by the adjective 'political'. <cite>The_Apologist posted [p:976827593] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Do you grant that "How should society work?" is a political question? And that proposed answers express political positions? I'm trying to understand what you mean by the adjective 'political'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Apologist 10/23/23 11:45:14 PM #180:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I think you're interpreting it backwards, though. The point is supposed to be that both cases are political, not that neither is. <cite>The_Apologist posted [p:976827606] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I think you're interpreting it backwards, though. The point is supposed to be that both cases are political, not that neither is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:46:39 PM #182:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I'm not a Republican anymore. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827625] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I'm not a Republican anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:51:37 PM #185:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I'm also not trying to say Republicans are "right" about their views on gender identity, don't forget. For the most part they're absolutely wrong. All I've been trying to say is that yes, clarifying the meaning and usage of certain words can absolutely be a political issue. There's a reason political debates get so heated. Neither side thinks they're wrong, and when one side declares themselves to be "objectively right" it just widens the gap between sides. It doesn't erase the argument, it just makes it more intense. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827683] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I'm also not trying to say Republicans are "right" about their views on gender identity, don't forget. For the most part they're absolutely wrong. All I've been trying to say is that yes, clarifying the meaning and usage of certain words can absolutely be a political issue. There's a reason political debates get so heated. Neither side thinks they're wrong, and when one side declares themselves to be "objectively right" it just widens the gap between sides. It doesn't erase the argument, it just makes it more intense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KitKats 10/23/23 11:59:05 PM #187:	Gobstoppers12 posted... That's exactly what happens with gender politics, too. Both sides think they're correct. oh boy --- her/she <cite>KitKats posted [p:976827785] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>That's exactly what happens with gender politics, too. Both sides think they're correct. </quote>oh boy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/23/23 11:59:47 PM #188:	KitKats posted... oh boy Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct? --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827793] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>KitKats posted... </cite><quote>oh boy</quote>Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Apologist 10/23/23 11:59:47 PM #189:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] There are some perspectives on race and sex that shouldn't be on the table as viable options; I agree. But this doesn't mean that there's no room at all for different positions on race and sex in civic discourse. The fact of the matter is that there's a variety of intellectually respectable philosophical theories regarding the nature of race and sex (and gender, and lots of other things), as evidenced by the debate over whether--or to what extent--gender is a social construct. (An analogous debate exists for race as well.) <cite>The_Apologist posted [p:976827794] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> There are some perspectives on race and sex that shouldn't be on the table as viable options; I agree.But this doesn't mean that there's no room at all for different positions on race and sex in civic discourse. The fact of the matter is that there's a variety of intellectually respectable philosophical theories regarding the nature of race and sex (and gender, and lots of other things), as evidenced by the debate over whether--or to what extent--gender is a social construct. (An analogous debate exists for race as well.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/24/23 12:03:27 AM #190:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] The difference between a political activist and a crackpot comes down to how many people they can convince to agree with them. This theory is very unlikely to be accepted by a significant number of people, and though it might be classified as a political issue, it's really not going to gain any prominence because most people aren't going to argue about it. For example, if someone were to protest outside a water treatment plant with a sign saying "Stop dumping water from the sky!!" then it would be a political issue because they're trying to change something about society as they perceive it (whether that's really how it is or not). The fact that they're mistaken does not make it less of a political issue. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827843] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> The difference between a political activist and a crackpot comes down to how many people they can convince to agree with them. This theory is very unlikely to be accepted by a significant number of people, and though it might be classified as a political issue, it's really not going to gain any prominence because most people aren't going to argue about it. For example, if someone were to protest outside a water treatment plant with a sign saying "Stop dumping water from the sky!!" then it would be a political issue because they're trying to change something about society as they perceive it (whether that's really how it is or not). The fact that they're mistaken does not make it less of a political issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BearlyWilling 10/24/23 12:04:33 AM #191:	Humble_Novice posted... What did transgender people ever do to her to begin with? They had the audacity to exist. Fuck her. --- Hmm... <cite>BearlyWilling posted [p:976827867] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>What did transgender people ever do to her to begin with?</quote>They had the audacity to exist. Fuck her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/24/23 12:05:10 AM #192:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct? The difference is one side is correct. People who are wrong should be publicly shamed and belittled if they refuse to choose to be correct. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976827873] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct?</quote>The difference is one side is correct. People who are wrong should be publicly shamed and belittled if they refuse to choose to be correct. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/24/23 12:08:23 AM #194:	hockeybub89 posted... The difference is one side is correct. People who are wrong should be publicly shamed and belittled if they refuse to choose to be correct. Okay but we're talking in circles because the other side would say the exact same thing, and they will have exactly the same degree of certainty that you do in the belief that they are in the right. I'm not saying they are right, but they do believe they're right. Hence, it's a big political issue. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827919] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>The difference is one side is correct. People who are wrong should be publicly shamed and belittled if they refuse to choose to be correct.</quote>Okay but we're talking in circles because the other side would say the exact same thing, and they will have exactly the same degree of certainty that you do in the belief that they are in the right.I'm not saying they are right, but they do believe they're right. Hence, it's a big political issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/24/23 12:09:00 AM #195:	Fuck everyone fucking person on Earth who has made being correct a political stance. There is a singular objective reality and everything else is a delusion. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976827922] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Fuck everyone fucking person on Earth who has made being correct a political stance. There is a singular objective reality and everything else is a delusion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 10/24/23 12:09:08 AM #196:	Feel like calling someone's very existence a "political issue" is just a way to justify any bigotry towards them as a 'personal opinion'. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:976827926] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Feel like calling someone's very existence a "political issue" is just a way to justify any bigotry towards them as a 'personal opinion'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/24/23 12:10:23 AM #197:	hockeybub89 posted... There is a singular objective reality and everything else is a delusion. You know what's kinda funny about this? I've seen that exact same phrase posted on r/The_Donald back in the day when I was a hardcore Trump supporter. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827938] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>There is a singular objective reality and everything else is a delusion.</quote>You know what's kinda funny about this?I've seen that exact same phrase posted on r/The_Donald back in the day when I was a hardcore Trump supporter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KitKats 10/24/23 12:10:44 AM #198:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct? I think you are conflating some things with respect to political ideology and views, and issues that exist in politics, with some legitimacy or lack thereof in the mix. You argued that trans women are women is a political view, which is honestly wrong and dangerous to marginalized and vulnerable minorities. --- her/she <cite>KitKats posted [p:976827940] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>Am I wrong? Am I lying when I say that both sides think they're correct?</quote>I think you are conflating some things with respect to political ideology and views, and issues that exist in politics, with some legitimacy or lack thereof in the mix. You argued that trans women are women is a political view, which is honestly wrong and dangerous to marginalized and vulnerable minorities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/24/23 12:11:01 AM #199:	Umbreon posted... Feel like calling someone's very existence a "political issue" is just a way to justify any bigotry towards them as a 'personal opinion'. I'm not calling a person's existence a political issue, I'm saying that the exact definition of words like "man," "woman," and "gender" have become political issues. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827946] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>Feel like calling someone's very existence a "political issue" is just a way to justify any bigotry towards them as a 'personal opinion'.</quote>I'm not calling a person's existence a political issue, I'm saying that the exact definition of words like "man," "woman," and "gender" have become political issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/24/23 12:12:24 AM #200:	KitKats posted... You argued that trans women are women is a political view, which is honestly wrong and dangerous to marginalized and vulnerable minorities. It is definitely a political issue. It can be political and also dangerous at the same time. Many political debates deal with serious issues like gun violence, healthcare, etc. Who said a thing can't be political and dangerous at the same time? --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976827957] in rowling sa... [t:80597755]...</cite> <quote>KitKats posted... </cite><quote>You argued that trans women are women is a political view, which is honestly wrong and dangerous to marginalized and vulnerable minorities.</quote>It is definitely a political issue. It can be political and also dangerous at the same time. Many political debates deal with serious issues like gun violence, healthcare, etc.Who said a thing can't be political and dangerous at the same time? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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