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CyricZ 10/24/23 7:50:30 PM #301: |
Ooo that's a good feeling.
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The_Apologist 10/24/23 7:56:18 PM #302: |
People are always welcome to block me if they feel that they need to. But I'm willing (and would prefer) to have a civil conversation with anyone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dj1200 10/24/23 8:05:12 PM #303: |
KitKats posted...
She got too much money and too much free timeSrsly. Live and let live. If you dont like trans people, dont date them. Who cares. --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/24/23 11:23:09 PM #305: |
The_Apologist posted... What about some sort of biological definition that amounts to saying that women are biologically female adult humans? you'd better be able to define what it is to be biologically female and start by leaving your 5th grade biology education at the door ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/24/23 11:24:20 PM #306: |
The_Apologist posted... But I'm willing (and would prefer) to have a civil conversation with anyone. not willing to have a good faith conversation though ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cemith 10/24/23 11:24:40 PM #307: |
AnsestralRecall posted...
you'd better be able to define what it is to be biologically female and start by leaving your 5th grade biology education at the door https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/4/3/AAYRiWAAE-Jn.jpg His post is giving Graham energy. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/24/23 11:37:50 PM #308: |
AnsestralRecall posted... you'd better be able to define what it is to be biologically female and start by leaving your 5th grade biology education at the door Yes, the biological conception of gender needs there to be a definition of 'female'. And there is, isn't there? I'd link the Wikipedia article, but there's nudity. AnsestralRecall posted... not willing to have a good faith conversation though That's my preference, actually. But I'm still willing to argue with dishonest people as long as they stay on topic and don't make it personal. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/24/23 11:58:24 PM #310: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] What's even stupider is the sentiment that there's no point in having a better case to make than the opposing side. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:03:16 AM #312: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Since no one denies their existence. But there are those who deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as, and it's important for pro-trans people to 1) engage with the debate and 2) win the debate. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:06:32 AM #314: |
The_Apologist posted... Since no one denies their existence. But there are those who deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as, and it's important for pro-trans people to 1) engage with the debate and 2) win the debate. There is an entire political ideology that wants to deny us our existence. It is not important to debate our existence. It is important to seize it and get rid of those who stand in the way. Debating bigots has never done anything of value. Defiance and forcing them to shut the fuck up is tried and true. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KitKats 10/25/23 12:12:12 AM #315: |
Still carrying water for transphobia
There is no trans debate, and shame on you for trying to afford some degree of validity or legitimacy to the hateful bigoted rhetoric from people who want to eradicate us. --- her/she ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:14:59 AM #316: |
AnsestralRecall posted... There is an entire political ideology that wants to deny us our existence. What you mean is that they want to deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as. AnsestralRecall posted... It is important to seize it and get rid of those who stand in the way. 'Might makes right' is a losing strategy. But if you want to go full nihilist, I can't stop you. AnsestralRecall posted... Debating bigots has never done anything of value. It's changed hearts and minds. It's won support for anti-bigotry causes. AnsestralRecall posted... Defiance and forcing them to shut the fuck up is tried and true. Citation needed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:19:04 AM #317: |
KitKats posted... There is no trans debate, In saying this, you're carrying water for transphobia. You're ceding ground for the transphobes to stand on by forfeiting the argument. Let's hope trans rights carry the day in spite of the cowardice of your approach to the issue. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:20:05 AM #318: |
What I mean is they want to exterminate us. They want us dead. I will not debate people who want me dead. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:20:39 AM #319: |
No one has ever won their rights and legal protections through debate and talking nice. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:21:18 AM #320: |
Anyways, fuck out of here. Goddamned sealion bullshit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:21:57 AM #321: |
AnsestralRecall posted... No one has ever won their rights and legal protections through debate and talking nice. They've won their rights by persuading the general public. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:24:41 AM #323: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You should feel embarrassed for enabling a mindset that undermines a just cause. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:25:08 AM #324: |
The_Apologist posted... They've won their rights by persuading the general public. I will not be reduced to a fucking lapdog for the status quo just to appease a cisheteronormative society that wants us dead. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:30:31 AM #326: |
AnsestralRecall posted... I will not be reduced to a fucking lapdog for the status quo just to appease a cisheteronormative society that wants us dead. Even if that would work? I'm trying to understand your priorities. Suppose enshrining trans rights required you to do something you thought was beneath you, like entertain an opposing perspective in polite dialogue. And suppose that this would actually succeed, and you'll have defeated transphobia if you do this. Would you do it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:46:18 AM #327: |
The_Apologist posted... Even if that would work? It won't work. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/25/23 12:47:42 AM #328: |
If kind words and debates fixed things Stonewall would have been a conversation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 10/25/23 12:48:31 AM #329: |
Recommend you just report and block that user. Their name alone should tell you what they're about.
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The_Apologist 10/25/23 12:53:38 AM #330: |
AnsestralRecall posted... It won't work. And you're confident enough in this claim to stake the entire cause of trans rights on it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 10/25/23 3:11:33 AM #331: |
AnsestralRecall posted...
There is an entire political ideology that wants to deny us our existence. --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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indica 10/25/23 4:07:18 AM #332: |
This topic has become an echo chamber
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Zwijn 10/25/23 4:12:33 AM #333: |
Good for you lady. I will continue to not think about you at all while you lose sleep over imaginary bullies. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 10/25/23 4:42:16 AM #334: |
I expect she's thinking about the Martha Stewart treatment.
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Alchemist_Emil 10/25/23 4:48:32 AM #335: |
There's nothing they can do to take away Rowlings achievements and contributions.
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ai123 10/25/23 5:34:03 AM #336: |
Alchemist_Emil posted...
There's nothing they can do to take away Rowlings achievements and contributions.True. She will always have her insanely popular, yet derivative and old fashioned, fantasy fiction. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 6:03:07 AM #337: |
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Well he's already talked down to her about her own existence and has insisted that she hasn't put in enough effort for her right to exist so it was only a matter of time before we reached "You're the real transphobe for not engaging my bullshit." I guess you heard him. We now all have to go full fucking genocide because cishet genius The_"what if you had to sacrifice a toddler for an abortion and child rapists don't have free will"Apologist has dictated that none of you have done enough to earn the respect of your identity and he clearly knows how much effort you have all put into achieving your rights and has found you wanting amd to be the real transphobes. Giant pile of /s right there. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 10/25/23 6:07:28 AM #338: |
Must be so nice for Apologist to treat someone's civil rights and existence as a spirited debate of ideas given he has no real stake in the matter.
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GranAures 10/25/23 6:10:19 AM #339: |
CyricZ posted...
Must be so nice for Apologist to treat someone's civil rights and existence as a spirited debate of ideas given he has no real stake in the matter.Like I said prior. We all know how much effort he has put into gaining his rights. Yet to think he has grounds to tell anybody else that they haven't put in enough effort is absolutely laughable --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zwijn 10/25/23 6:14:49 AM #340: |
The_Apologist posted... Since no one denies their existence. But there are those who deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as, and it's important for pro-trans people to 1) engage with the debate and 2) win the debate.You wont change peoples minds. This is largely an ideological issue between people who wont agree with eachother and a waste of time for everyone involved. I dont give a fuck about deniers, society will change without their approval. Its like debating religious people, you will never agree on stuff and society is becoming more secular no matter what they do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 6:18:49 AM #341: |
Maybe you should try living the life of the people you say haven't put in enough effort for their rights. What if you tried being ridiculed as a groomer and deviant for existing before thinking you know something they don't.
That's a great hypothetical. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zwijn 10/25/23 6:22:13 AM #342: |
GranAures posted... Maybe you should try living the life of the people you say haven't put in enough effort for their rights. What if you tried being ridiculed as a groomer and deviant for existing before thinking you know something they don't.Sorry but was this directed to the post above or a general reply? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 6:29:07 AM #343: |
Yes, we know. You just want to have a "civil debate" over whether certain people deserve rights. Like telling somebody they haven't done enough to have the right to exist can ever be "civil."
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Zwijn 10/25/23 6:33:36 AM #344: |
GranAures posted... Yes, we know. You just want to have a "civil debate" over whether certain people deserve rights. Like telling somebody they haven't done enough to have the right to exist can ever be "civil."Oh, ok youre strawmanning me. I dont want debate at all. I dont give a flying fuck about deniers since those idiots arent worth debating and society is changing without their goodsay anyway. I also dont say this from an outside perspective, Ive been part of said group of certain people since I knew something was different about me when I was 10 years old. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 6:56:17 AM #345: |
I just don't think you've put enough effort in to deserve respect.
Maybe you should prove you deserve respect like you think KitKats and AncestralRecall need to prove they deserve rights. Or you can cede the argument because you believe basic respect should be assumed just like everyone other than you thinks the rights of trans individuals should be. Maybe you can do something beneath you, the same what if you demand of others. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zwijn 10/25/23 6:57:39 AM #346: |
what ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 10/25/23 6:58:40 AM #347: |
The_Apologist posted...
What about some sort of biological definition that amounts to saying that women are biologically female adult humans?And that definition would be...what exactly? "Biologically female" isn't gonna cut it either, since trans women who medically transition have bodies that operate nearly identically to cis women. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 7:02:44 AM #348: |
Gwynevere posted...
And that definition would be...what exactly?What ever most denies trans women. "Civilly." --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 10/25/23 7:33:21 AM #349: |
GranAures posted... I just don't think you've put enough effort in to deserve respect. I think you mistook them for Apologist. They weren't agreeing with Apologist, they were refuting him, saying there's realistically no point in trying to engage with conversation with hardcore bigots. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 10/25/23 8:09:24 AM #350: |
PBusted posted...
I think you mistook them for Apologist. They weren't agreeing with Apologist, they were refuting him, saying there's realistically no point in trying to engage with conversation with hardcore bigots.Yeah, I'm just treating missing posts as that homeslice peddling their bad takes. So apologies to whoever that actually was. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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