Current Events > rowling says she would hapilly do prison time over her bigotry

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Guys, be honest with me. Have I done enough to be allowed to exist and not get my shit kicked in by transphobes?

evilpresident posted...

Guys, be honest with me. Have I done enough to be allowed to exist and not get my shit kicked in by transphobes?

I don't know. Have you considered the arguments of the people who want to see you dead of why the want to kick your shit in? After all, if you just call people who want to kill you for existing bad then that makes you the real transphobe for not being willing to argue with them in good faith.

GranAures posted...

I don't know. Have you considered the arguments of the people who want to see you dead of why the want to kick your shit in? After all, if you just call people who want to kill you for existing then that makes you the real transphobe for not being willing to argue with them in good faith.

My god, you're right. I will try to be better.

Can't believe I forgot the most important word.

Bad.

GranAures posted...

I don't know. Have you considered the arguments of the people who want to see you dead of why the want to kick your shit in? After all, if you just call people who want to kill you for existing bad then that makes you the real transphobe for not being willing to argue with them in good faith.

I just feel this will lead to nothing. An atheist will never be able to debate a religious person because from their point of view an atheist is delusional and in need of saving. Theyre like different animals that cannot understand eachothers body language. I think the same way of transphobes. Sure there are people who might see reason (whose reason? Mine? What about theirs that I also will never get?) but they come from such a different approach I dont feel I have to have any debate. I dont see the need to explain the reason for my existence when the other treats it as a mental illness. Like above transphobes to me are in such a different mental space they might as well be aliens.

GranAures posted...

What ever most denies trans women. "Civilly."

I just wanna hear it. I wanna know how many cis women being excluded from womanhood is acceptable to them in order to exclude trans women

Cemith posted...

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His post is giving Graham energy.

Yup. Exactly the same vibe

Zwijn posted...

I just feel this will lead to nothing. An atheist will never be able to debate a religious person because from their point of view an atheist is delusional and in need of saving. Theyre like different animals that cannot understand eachothers body language.

Atheists understand religion just fine. They just see have enough critical thinking ability to see its logical fallacies. It isnt two sides of the same coin.

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I guess he didn't put enough effort in to keeping his account.

Interesting, didn't notice The_Apologist is suspended. Wonder what got him since he ignored me.

Cemith posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/4/3/AAYRiWAAE-Jn.jpg
His post is giving Graham energy.

Shame Linehan went mad with transphobia. He wrote or co-wrote three of the greatest sitcoms in history.

PBusted posted...

Interesting, didn't notice The_Apologist is suspended. Wonder what got him since he ignored me.

Multiple posts since it seems the mods finally got around to it. The for sure earliest one I saw from broken quotes was the "you haven't put enough effort in to gaining support" nonsense.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Atheists understand religion. They just see its logical fallacies. It isnt two sides of the same coin.

There are sides to religion an atheist doesnt understand at the core level. Fervor is a hell of a drug for example.

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Yes. This is why its potentially useful to debunk shitposters. People not so educated on a subject who might have been lurking and prone to buying their propaganda can instead see that propaganda debunked.

GranAures posted...

Multiple posts since it seems the mods finally got around to it. The for sure earliest one I saw from broken quotes was the "you haven't put enough effort in to gaining support" nonsense.

Ah, good. They were up long enough that I thought they would've been one of those vague sea lion posts that were innocuous enough to tow the line despite his history.

You might disagree with her opinions, but you can't say she isn't dedicated. :v She's made it her life's mission to safeguard the women's loo.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Atheists understand religion just fine. They just see have enough critical thinking ability to see its logical fallacies. It isnt two sides of the same coin.

Atheists often don't take faith into account. They think they can 'logic and science' people out of belief.

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ai123 posted...

Atheists often don't take faith into account. They think they can 'logic and science' people out of belief.

They also don't take into account that religious gathering places are some of the few remaining places of local community available to the average person.

They can go on about the evils of religion all they want, but it is immeasurably good for people to have access to community and a place of good in a world that does it's best to destroy communities.

AnsestralRecall posted...

They also don't take into account that religious gathering places are some of the few remaining places of local community available to the average person.

They can go on about the evils of religion all they want, but it is immeasurably good for people to have access to community and a place of good in a world that does it's best to destroy communities.

Depends on the religious community tbh.

Yeah we aren't ever required to entertain these clown shows of bigotry masquerading as intellectual debate. Especially once they reveal themselves to not be operating in good faith, or coming from a place of learning and understanding, making it blatantly apparent fighting oppression is of no concern to them. Stepping back to create space from emotionally draining people is not a failure to stand up for our rights.
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Yes, and this is another factor why we may engage at our discretion.

ai123 posted...

Atheists often don't take faith into account. They think they can 'logic and science' people out of belief.

Faith is arbitrary. You can have faith in anything.

FunWithAFryPan posted...

Faith is arbitrary. You can have faith in anything.

Yes.

Doesn't affect my point.

PBusted posted...

Ah, good. They were up long enough that I thought they would've been one of those vague sea lion posts that were innocuous enough to tow the line despite his history.

I can't imagine anybody with a functioning brain thinking "you haven't worked hard enough for rights" is anything said in good faith.

Some of the folks boohooing about "different opinions?" Sure. But those don't operate in good faith either.

indica posted...

This topic has become an echo chamber

I'm curious what you think is missing from the conversation here.

ai123 posted...

Yes.

Doesn't affect my point.

Thats why they discount it. It gets factored out quickly because it doesnt amount to anything.

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Dark_Arbron posted...

Yes. This is why its potentially useful to debunk shitposters. People not so educated on a subject who might have been lurking and prone to buying their propaganda can instead see that propaganda debunked.

Fully agreed.

FunWithAFryPan posted...

Thats why they discount it. It gets factored out quickly because it doesnt amount to anything.

It leaves them with nothing relevant to say to a person of faith. Which is fine, but most atheists don't seem to realize.

KitKats posted...

I'm curious what you think is missing from the conversation here.

Look, are we really being fair and unbiased if we don't entertain every viewpoint on every subject? If I go tell my professor that Newton's laws are all bullshit, he and the class should have to entertain me because there's nothing worse than an echo chamber, apparently.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Gob has deserved a full-on ban for almost 10 years now.

Nah, I'm okay.

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I echo this.

ai123 posted...

It leaves them with nothing relevant to say to a person of faith. Which is fine, but most atheists don't seem to realize.

I have faith that the great Cosmic Chocolate Chip Cookie Lord will destroy the earth and all humanity in a flood of scalding hot fudge if you don't stop treating LGBTQ people as sinners... your Jesus is the evil figure in my religion, and his followers must be silenced and punished for their transgressions.*

Don't like it?
That's my faith... deal with it!

-*- This should be taken as obvious metaphor and hyperbole meant to demonstrate a point, and is not my actual belief, nor would I suggest silencing and punishing individuals for their faith. Anyone that thinks this is mistaken or being obtuse in their dishonesty.

Torgo posted...

I have faith that the great Cosmic Chocolate Chip Cookie Lord will destroy the earth and all humanity in a flood of scalding hot fudge if you don't stop treating LGBTQ people as sinners... your Jesus is the evil figure in my religion, and his followers must be silenced and punished for their transgressions.*

Don't like it?
That's my faith... deal with it!

-*- This should be taken as obvious metaphor and hyperbole meant to demonstrate a point, and is not my actual belief, nor would I suggest silencing and punishing individuals for their faith. Anyone that thinks this is mistaken or being obtuse in their dishonesty.

I get what you mean.

I'm just saying atheists cannot 'logic and science' a person out of unquestioning belief. Those things don't play together.

It doesn't matter if someone says they believe in the Christian god or the Lord of all the Cookies. It's the degree of sincerity of their belief that makes them impervious to logic, or not.

ai123 posted...

I get what you mean.

I'm just saying atheists cannot 'logic and science' a person out of unquestioning belief. Those things don't play together.

It doesn't matter if someone says they believe in the Christian god or the Lord of all the Cookies. It's the degree of sincerity of their belief that makes them impervious to logic, or not.

You do know that many atheists were once devoutly religious, dont you? How does work with your theory?

FunWithAFryPan posted...

You do know that many atheists were once devoutly religious, dont you? How does work with your theory?

I don't see the relevance. I never stated that people cannot lose faith (or gain faith for that matter).

Just that you cannot logic someone out of a belief that is not based in logic.

ai123 posted...

I don't see the relevance. I never stated that people cannot lose faith (or gain faith for that matter).

Just that you cannot logic someone out of a belief that is not based in logic.

This is not only something you can do, its something that happens all the time.

Mostly been taking breaks from these topics so when I do post, my points will hopefully come in clear and at least considered if not agreed on.

Mainly this is about Rowling and why I argue she isn't really well meaning or why her concerns might not hold up but also the discussion outside her:

1. The whole thought policing kind a true, but if we can agree for example that race isn't something you choose being born into right?

So why is identity/race policing for example treated with less severity when it is proven to be a thing? I don't have the intellectual authority to declare the other situations by choice, but racism and sexism prove that serious legal decisions have been made for unworthy reasons.

And I feel it is disingenuous to make bigotry akin to hating a pizza topping, ice cream flavor and so on.

2. Disregard if inaccurate, but doesn't she fund Anti-Trans groups? Or is friends with Greg Ellis who was say making revenge porn toward his wife? If it is a concern of hers to protect Non-Trans Women then why is she a friend with someone who has done wrong towards a woman VS ones who haven't at all?

Or cause I'm concerned (Hopefully wrong), does she believe Non-Trans who are Anti-Trans are on the up and up? How would she take to a woman preying on a young boy or another girl?

Kind of like well Boys Beware omitting women predators cause it wouldn't aid in the proof of gays being evil.

3. I recall the 259th post bringing up concerns that she was afraid of becoming trans? Like with a hetero person fearing they'll turn gay, really sounds more like the usual bigotry born from insecurity.

And sometimes I get the feeling bigotry is cause people feel like being on the proverbial winning team precludes them from failure or moral failings.

4. The bathroom concern. Wanting space from those who would be attracted to you, fair enough I suppose.

Predatory behavior, really more from say parents expecting troublesome behavior to leave their kids with age (Boys will be Boys and such) or victim blaming gender dynamic regardless.

Discouraging that from kids and not making predators out to be misguided souls sound like a better option.

5. And even if arrest is too much, it's why I feel tolerance for the intolerant isn't good.

Like with the bathroom concern, you act like it's a definite fact that a trans is a predator you're the first to forgo good faith, so why are you owed any?

And to make an analogy some do act like a bully who goes first is more needing of sympathy than the person who fights back who otherwise would have left the bully be.

But yeah whether it's dating the same sex or becoming trans those things are possible without ill motives whereas hating someone by certain defaults are immediately ill intended. Arguably even thought policing and projecting first.

6. Or the concern of it undermining feminism?

Seems more like those who feel it wrong if a Non-Trans woman does want to be a home maker or other jobs and hobbies that were (and by some probably still) associated with women.

Or mostly gender equality stories that will have the cast excepting a woman taking on the "man" stuff, but seldomly the reverse.

Or usually for lack of a better descriptor, the tomboy VS girly girl stuff in stories.

Best I can put forth.

Antiyonder posted...

The bathroom concern. Wanting space from those who would be attracted to you, fair enough

It's not even about attraction, it's purely just fear mongering to justify othering as many trans men are attracted to women and trans women attracted to men, not even getting into gay and lesbian attraction.. It is a narrative purely to equate being trans to being a rapist or even at the most benign trying to paint that accepting trans individuals, primarily trans women, will make it easier for some dude to pretend to be trans to rape somebody.

Before anyone gets too far down the rabbit hole of thought policing and bigotry, it is my understanding that what JKR actually said was that she would do time for misgendering.

Which as pointed out by others earlier, is her appropriation of the oppressed here and playing the victim.

What actually can or should happen, and has happened before, are people losing their jobs for intentional misgendering by creating a hostile environment, particularly with students as a teacher or a position of authority over others.

Being arrested would be more along the lines of policing hate crimes, which is not thought policing by any fair accounting.

And the people the loudest about "thought policing" are also the ones trying to present Rowling's bigotry as a "different opinion" as ifbir is just as valid an acceptable for her to equate trans individuals with rapists.

And as you said, multiple times it has been pointed out she isn't getting locked up so their fake concern isn't even over a valid concern.

GranAures posted...

And the people the loudest about "thought policing" are also the ones trying to present Rowling's bigotry as a "different opinion" as ifbir is just as valid an acceptable for her to equate trans individuals with rapists.

And as you said, multiple times it has been pointed out she isn't getting locked up so their fake concern isn't even over a valid concern.

Oh yeah. Theres several posts in this thread clutching pearls hard about fascism.

GranAures posted...

And the people the loudest about "thought policing" are also the ones trying to present Rowling's bigotry as a "different opinion" as ifbir is just as valid an acceptable for her to equate trans individuals with rapists.

And as you said, multiple times it has been pointed out she isn't getting locked up so their fake concern isn't even over a valid concern.

The current government actively supports her hate as well, so she's really just crying about nothing.

Funkydog posted...

The current government actively supports her hate as well, so she's really just crying about nothing.

She just really, really wants to be oppressed. But like, not the bad things that come with being oppressed. Just the attention.

Antiyonder posted...

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3. I recall the 259th post bringing up concerns that she was afraid of becoming trans? Like with a hetero person fearing they'll turn gay, really sounds more like the usual bigotry born from insecurity.

And sometimes I get the feeling bigotry is cause people feel like being on the proverbial winning team precludes them from failure or moral failings.
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I think you misunderstood this.
She was saying that some young people are confused, don't understand who they are and may be vulnerable into being pressured into medically transitioning and later regret this when they better understand themselves. She suspects this might have happened to her if the trans movement was as strong when she was young as they are now so imagines that there are people like her who may be being persuaded into making a mistake with their bodies.
As there are instances of this (reportedly, especially from gay boys) it cannot be dismissed entirely.
Whether the number of instances is enough for concern is open to debate or argument

@GetMagnaCarter
Well like I said before, she did friend Greg Ellis who did engage in predatory behavior towards his wife.

And as I touched on, it's like Boys Beware lacked any scenarios of women preying on young boys cause such cases wouldn't aid in slamming the gay community.

Kind of supporting my thought (possibly) on how it gives one like Rowling the impression that her own designated kind is seldomly capable of being threatening.

I imagine there is enough to prove that the Anti-LGBT community has many people who have been just as dangerous as some of the LGBT community.