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ColonizedMind
10/22/23 8:42:20 PM
#101:


Tony Stark had masters in at least two engineering degrees and owned a company that made some of the most advanced military equipment on the planet. He used that expertise and experience to get himself out of a bad situation and change his life. Its fat fetched and fantastical sure but its justified in the narrative and theres a beautiful dramatic irony to the arc (reactor).

Spider-Man needs to swing so come up with a way he invented it. I know, well just say hes a genius.
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Punished_Blinx
10/22/23 8:47:23 PM
#102:


Let's be honest.

Tony Stark is overall written a lot worse than Peter Parker inventing web shooters. He's a CEO, a mechanical engineer, a scientist, an inventor, an AI programmer and whatever else the plot needs him to be. On top of being a superhero.

It's not like there's a depiction of him hiring best and brightest who does most of this stuff for him. He is given all of the credit. At most he invented the AI who does a lot of stuff for him.

Most superhero writing is bad. They're perfect and talented at everything skill wise and their problems come from their relationships, trauma and villains. They're not depicted as people who actually have to work hard to learn things. They're smart because they don't have to learn. They just know.

You could make the argument that Peter Parker is supposed to be more relatable and mechanical web shooters isn't as effective at portraying that I suppose. But I think there's enough out there to get around that these days.

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cjsdowg
10/22/23 8:54:08 PM
#103:


The thing about the mechanical web shooters it no way in the world he could not make a million dollars off both the web shooters and the webbing. But yet 8 out 10 times he poor living as bum eating pork and beans in can.

The building, emergency services implementation could change the world.

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TheSavageDragon
10/22/23 8:55:06 PM
#104:


Punished_Blinx posted...
Let's be honest.

Tony Stark is overall written a lot worse than Peter Parker inventing web shooters.

Exactly. But apparently "he spend an extra 5 years in school" somehow negates all that for some. He's even treated like an expert in bio-engineering. I guess he picked that up from building missiles for most of his adult life.
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Punished_Blinx
10/22/23 8:56:59 PM
#105:


cjsdowg posted...
The thing about the mechanical web shooters it no way in the world he could not make a million dollars off both the web shooters and the webbing. But yet 8 out 10 times he poor living as bum eating pork and beans in can.

The building, emergency services implementation could change the world.

I suppose the thing is Peter Parker is often depicted as someone who would be remarkably successful if he wasn't Spider-man.

If he's out there selling what Spider-man is using it wouldn't exactly be hard to put two and two together. I suppose that enough is justification enough for why he doesn't.

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Guide
10/22/23 8:57:01 PM
#106:


Organic just makes more sense. It's so arbitrary for him to specifically invent that one thing and never expand on it beyond one-off issues that often never come up again.

In general it bugs me when the science guys don't make their stuff open sourced for a trusted pool of heroes. One of the nicer things about newer spideys is that this does happen to an extent.

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FurryPhilosifer
10/22/23 9:22:22 PM
#107:


Wtf what happened here

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TheSavageDragon
10/22/23 9:23:53 PM
#108:


FurryPhilosifer posted...
Wtf what happened here

Nerds happened. >_>
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Ratchetrockon
10/22/23 9:34:31 PM
#109:


i prefer mechanical webs but only if it results in spiderman getting beat tf up cuz he ran out of them

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Sufferedphoneix
10/22/23 9:35:59 PM
#110:


cjsdowg posted...
Him not having organic webbing is silly . He was bitten by a Spider and he has no uniquely spider traits. His poweset could be that of a any bug man. Heck he could be Ant-Man.

Crawls on walls.
And lift a lot compare to their size.
Seems to know where hits come before they come.

There you go he is ant man.

Beyond that if Peter can make his own webbing . His aunt/mom should not be worried about money every week.

Never had a ant dodge me easily.

Flys on the other hand...

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KitKats
10/22/23 9:36:17 PM
#111:


The real Spidey made his web shooter and other cool gadgets. Its an integral part of the character.

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Bass
10/22/23 9:36:35 PM
#112:


Organic and it isn't even close for me. If I'm bitten by a radioactive spider I want to shoot webs organically, damnit!

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Sufferedphoneix
10/22/23 9:37:44 PM
#113:


KitKats posted...
The real Spidey made his web shooter and other cool gadgets. Its an integral part of the character.

I think the hard part is believing he has access to the material to effectively stay stocked up.

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Zithers
10/22/23 9:38:03 PM
#114:


organic makes so much more sense

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Sufferedphoneix
10/22/23 9:39:05 PM
#115:


Theoretically couldn't he run out of organic too? It's not he magically conceives the shit his body has to produce it.

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AceMos
10/22/23 9:49:21 PM
#116:


Sufferedphoneix posted...
Theoretically couldn't he run out of organic too? It's not he magically conceives the shit his body has to produce it.
this is true but i just assume he eats more to compensate (which can add to his financial issues )

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EpicMickeyDrew
10/22/23 10:40:22 PM
#117:


People are missing the point. The reason no one else has made webbing is it has NO USE if you don't have spideys other powers. If me or you tried to swing fro a building we'd die or our arm would be tore off.

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EpicMickeyDrew
10/22/23 10:41:48 PM
#118:


@cjsdowg posted...
The building, emergency services implementation could change the world.
Used in building? They dissolve after a few hours. Not sure how the emergency services could use this either.

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Chicken
10/22/23 10:42:00 PM
#119:


Not the webussys

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cjsdowg
10/22/23 10:51:17 PM
#120:


EpicMickeyDrew posted...
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Used in building? They dissolve after a few hours. Not sure how the emergency services could use this either.

You can use it to secure things temporarily.
It can be use to left and move stuff.
Fix leaks until something better can come around.
The police could use this so they would not have to tell people.
Fire fighters could use them to help people get out a buildings.
Help save people drowning .


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EpicMickeyDrew
10/22/23 11:03:22 PM
#121:


cjsdowg posted...
You can use it to secure things temporarily.
It can be use to left and move stuff.
Fix leaks until something better can come around.
The police could use this so they would not have to tell people.
Fire fighters could use them to help people get out a buildings.
Help save people drowning .
Wrong

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FortuneCookie
10/22/23 11:12:11 PM
#122:


I prefer organic. Mechanical showcases his intelligence though and allows for those plot convenient "I'm out of web cartridges!" moments. It doesn't work the same for him to shout "I'm out of bodily fluids!"

On the other hand, having him invent a military-grade holding solution makes him a bit less relatable. And what materials did Peter use considering that he's just above poverty? And why can't people reverse-engineer it from samples? And if Peter tried to sell it to the military and they said no, why isn't there someone who remembers that sticky substance that one kid from the science fair sent to them? It's as stupid as nobody remembering that the Batmobile in the Nolanverse was a rejected military vehicle.

I guess it all comes down to what you're looking for in a hero. If you see Spider-Man as a relatable ordinary nerd who lucked out and got super powers, then organic is better. If you view Spider-Man as someone who was always destined for greatness, then go with the web cartridges.

For me personally, Spider-Man is the relatable superhero. I haven't been working on any military holding solutions, but I'd gladly accept super powers (and an attractive redhead) if they walked up and bit me.
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cjsdowg
10/22/23 11:12:19 PM
#123:


EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Wrong

He used his webbing to secure a broken bridge and prevent it from collapsing. Amazing Spider-Man #12. He held a boat togther Spider-Man Homecome.

He can lift cars with his webbing, that is how strong it is. All the time.

He fixed a leak in a water pipe by spraying web fluid over it Amazing Spider-Man #267

He made a rope out of webbing to save a woman who fell from a building Amazing Spider-Man # .

He saved a man from drowning by pulling him out of the water with his webbing Amazing Spider-Man #700.5

Here is him doing everything that I claimed could be done with them .

Also saying WRONG like that is fucking rude.

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Sufferedphoneix
10/22/23 11:19:05 PM
#124:


EpicMickeyDrew posted...
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Used in building? They dissolve after a few hours. Not sure how the emergency services could use this either.

Hell cops could use it as a way to detain people

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refmon
10/22/23 11:31:49 PM
#125:


cjsdowg posted...
Him not having organic webbing is silly . He was bitten by a Spider and he has no uniquely spider traits. His poweset could be that of a any bug man. Heck he could be Ant-Man.


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Ricemills
10/22/23 11:37:35 PM
#126:


Mechanical.
Unless organic is shot from the butt

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Rika_Furude
10/22/23 11:38:22 PM
#127:


Web canisters is boring
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FortuneCookie
10/22/23 11:40:24 PM
#128:


Ricemills posted...
Mechanical.
Unless organic is shot from the butt

I think these two covered that best:

https://youtu.be/a0PwgfTRiVI?t=88

If the time skip to 88 seconds doesn't work, they point out that a spider shoots web from their abdomen.
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Tora_Sami
10/22/23 11:41:10 PM
#129:


TheSavageDragon posted...
Have you even watched Spider-Man 2? That plot device is still very much a thing, just now paired with worse writing.

Yeah and that plot made me hate Spiderman 2 and it's worse then fuckin spiderman 3 because of it. "I can't shoot web cause MJ doesn't love me" boo fuckin hoo.

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dj1200
10/22/23 11:46:52 PM
#130:


I thought mechanical was cool.

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FuriousFox
10/23/23 12:00:39 AM
#131:


Spiderman needing a mechanical webshooter makes about as much sense to me as Superman needing a jetpack to fly. These are supposed to be their iconic abilities, it's underwhelming if it isn't part of their natural power set.

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Ricemills
10/23/23 12:03:24 AM
#132:


FuriousFox posted...
Spiderman needing a mechanical webshooter makes about as much sense to me as Superman needing a jetpack to fly. These are supposed to be their iconic abilities, it's underwhelming if it isn't part of their natural power set.

Funny since organic Spider-Man is movie's invention*.

*Not including man-spider

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StealThisSheen
10/23/23 12:14:52 AM
#133:


FuriousFox posted...
Spiderman needing a mechanical webshooter makes about as much sense to me as Superman needing a jetpack to fly. These are supposed to be their iconic abilities, it's underwhelming if it isn't part of their natural power set.

So iconic, he didn't have it as a natural power until 40 years after his debut.

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bfslick50
10/23/23 12:27:04 AM
#134:


FortuneCookie posted...
Mechanical showcases his intelligence though and allows for those plot convenient "I'm out of web cartridges!" moments. It doesn't work the same for him to shout "I'm out of bodily fluids!"

I mean your body can definitely underperform when stressed, tired, and over exerted. Weve all had moments where your mouth was dry because your body wasnt producing enough fluids. The plot point can work either way but its easy to make it gross when dealing with organic, so those writers are more likely to avoid it.

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KitKats
10/23/23 1:43:15 AM
#135:


StealThisSheen posted...
So iconic, he didn't have it as a natural power until 40 years after his debut.
Preach

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2001mark
10/23/23 1:52:57 AM
#136:


Sufferedphoneix posted...
Theoretically couldn't he run out of organic too? It's not he magically conceives the shit his body has to produce it.
Wasn't that Spider-Man 3?

Organic for me, yet mechanical doesn't bother me. Organic seems to make him more of a god-like superhero; mechanical more humanistic like Batman.
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MyMainAccount
10/23/23 2:05:16 AM
#137:


Mechanical, like the original comics.

If we are going full realism he would shoot the webs from his ass.

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Ratchetrockon
10/23/23 2:21:54 AM
#138:


2001mark posted...
Wasn't that Spider-Man 3?

Organic for me, yet mechanical doesn't bother me. Organic seems to make him more of a god-like superhero; mechanical more humanistic like Batman.

was spiderman 2 cuz he stopped believing in himself

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gnomefromnome
10/23/23 3:15:56 AM
#139:


the original mech

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Chicken
10/23/23 7:52:54 AM
#140:


I like the theory that he invented the web fluid formula because of an instinct that his spider powers gave him.

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LightHawKnight
10/23/23 8:36:06 AM
#141:


Mechanical. About half of spiders cant spin webs anyways. Also if it was organic, it wouldnt be coming from the wrists.

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Ricemills
10/23/23 8:44:50 AM
#142:


This topic makes me want to post that "Deadpool spiderman wrist" comic, but I'm really not sure if it's safe to post.

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Tanthalas
10/23/23 8:49:10 AM
#143:


Mechanical. Peter being a genius is an important part of his character.

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