Current Events > The Maine shooter tries to buy a suppressor

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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/alleged-maine-gunman-tried-buy-110039296.html

But he was thwarted by being in a mental hospital. Too bad they probably also sold him the gun like really " Oh your mentally incapable to get a silencer but her take this assault rifle!". Fuckin America man, I swear.

This video is the sound difference between suppressed and un-supresssed. While it doesn't make it silent like the movies, with crowds and the sound of chaos afterwards, could have made this way more deadly then what it already was.

https://youtu.be/DuS9XnY-IRA?si=YuikWTjM-b763Ws1

But he was thwarted by being in a mental hospital. Too bad they probably also sold him the gun like really " Oh your mentally incapable to get a silencer but her take this assault rifle!". Fuckin America man, I swear.

he didnt get the rifle there, the people in the store caught it when he wrote it on the application he was in a mental hospital.

It possible he went to a different location and omitted that detail, not sure it would have shown with a background check.

texanfan27 posted...

he didnt get the rifle there, the people in the store caught it when he wrote it on the application he was in a mental hospital.

It possible he went to a different location and omitted that detail, not sure it would have shown with a background check.

Okay that's fair. But yeah, that should definitely be shown in a background check. If we had proper red flag laws, no one would have been able to sell him this rifle with that. At least legally. Also considering he didn't get the suppressor, I doubt he went somewhere else that wouldn't have checked for that. Either they sold it to him or someone else didn't care. Gun stores and gun lobbies should be at fault for those deaths.

Tora_Sami posted...

Okay that's fair. But yeah, that should definitely be shown in a background check. If we had proper red flag laws, no one would have been able to sell him this rifle with that. At least legally. Also considering he didn't get the suppressor, I doubt he went somewhere else that wouldn't have checked for that. Either they sold it to him or someone else didn't care. Gun stores and gun lobbies should be at fault for those deaths.

And Baseball bat companies should be held responsible for all the people bludgeoned by baseball Bats.

Lokison posted...

And Baseball bat companies should be held responsible for all the people bludgeoned by baseball Bats.

wut

Jagr_68 posted...

wut

hes saying baseball bats are comparable to devices designed to murder people from long distances

Jagr_68 posted...

wut

I'm being facetious.

You can't hold the company responsible for what an invidual does with your product. You can argue that guns aren't for anything other than killing, but sport shooting exists. As a sport. As does baseball.

You'd be hard pressed to find language that specifically calls out strictly firearms without it potentially bleeding over into territory it shouldn't and being used as yet another tool for evil. I say all this as someone who owns no guns, but has had all the cub/boy scout training surrounding them.

Lokison posted...

I'm being facetious.

You can't hold the company responsible for what an invidual does with your product. You can argue that guns aren't for anything other than killing, but sport shooting exists. As a sport. As does baseball.

You'd be hard pressed to find language that specifically calls out strictly firearms without it potentially bleeding over into territory it shouldn't and being used as yet another tool for evil. I say all this as someone who owns no guns, but has had all the cub/boy scout training surrounding them.

When they actively lobby to lower regulations on their weapons and us emass shootings to market their weapons. Then yeah, they should be held liable.

Tora_Sami posted...

When they actively lobby to lower regulations on their weapons and us emass shootings to market their weapons. Then yeah, they should be held liable.

That's not attacking the core issue. I see where your coming from, but the issue there is them lobbying their agendas and being able to get away with it. They should he held responsible for that part, but not the part where someone managed to scam their way into getting a gun because of (probably) lazy employees and used it incorrectly.

Companies should not be allowed to use money for anything regarding active politics. Nor be able to bit more building property than they require to operate.

Lokison posted...

You can't hold the company responsible for what an invidual does with your product.

I'd definitely hold the vendor responsible if he was sold an assault rifle and it was known to the salesman that the buyer was a former patient in a psychiatric hospital.

Vampire_Chicken posted...

I'd definitely hold the vendor responsible if he was sold an assault rifle and it was known to the salesman that the buyer was a former patient in a psychiatric hospital.

That's the employee. Although the business DID hire that dipshit to operate as a face of the company, there's 100's of employees that would have done it right, but would be out a job because one dipshit fucked up. These days you can't do that, shits to hard for people. You gotta attack the core issue, and surgically remove the issues so the innocent don't get fucked.

Okay, so the employee who sold the rifle gets life (or death in prison) since the shooter killed himself.

Gotta have some accountability here, it's not the store or manufacturer's fault. Guns are primarily tools after all.

/s

ITT: People with shit knowledge of firearms and existing firearms laws

Jagr_68 posted...

Okay, so the employee who sold the rifle gets life (or death in prison) since the shooter killed himself.

Gotta have some accountability here, it's not the store or manufacturer's fault. Guns are primarily tools after all.

/s

I didn't say that, I was pointing out how stupid the whole thing is. Hence the baseball bat comment. If you're gonna do the whole "the store and manufacturer should be held liable", how for will does it go? Baseball Bats are one of the most used weapons in assaults. It would be absolutely stupid to try and go after those people for all the skull cracked, so why are we gonna jump on the gun manufacturer?

Honestly seems like you get my side.

Jeebus, my bad for even mentioning that shit. Cns we just about heo much worse it could have been if he had a suppressor?

Tora_Sami posted...

Jeebus, my bad for even mentioning that shit. Cns we just about heo much worse it could have been if he had a suppressor?

Suppressors aren't as quiet as Hollywood makes them out to be. Most bring the decibels down to just under the threshold of immediate damage. They're still loud as hell under most circumstances.

Also Maine has what's called Yellow Flag laws, which if I'm reading right means it can only be issue via law enforcement, then the state investigates the individual, then makes the call whether or not to remove the firearms from the person's home.

The thing is, they knew about this guy for months, and never issued the yellow flag. We can have all the laws we want, but if no one enforces them, it means nothing.

Baseball bats are built for the purpose of playing a sport. They can also be used as a weapon, a purpose they weren't designed for.

Guns are built for the purpose of killing another living creature. They can also be used in sports, a purpose they weren't designed for.

That's the key difference and where your comparison sucks.

Malcrasternus posted...

Suppressors aren't as quiet as Hollywood makes them out to be. Most bring the decibels down to just under the threshold of immediate damage. They're still loud as hell under most circumstances.

Also Maine has what's called Yellow Flag laws, which if I'm reading right means it can only be issue via law enforcement, then the state investigates the individual, then makes the call whether or not to remove the firearms from the person's home.

The thing is, they knew about this guy for months, and never issued the yellow flag. We can have all the laws we want, but if no one enforces them, it means nothing.

Wow, didn't know about yellow flag laws. This is actually the first time I heard of them, only hear about red. Yeah seems like this shit should have been prevented quite a while ago.

Also I would consider shooting in a unclosed space with people running and screaming to be not most circumstances. The sounds of his gun could have been masked and would have been much harder for people to pin point where he was coming from, not to mention how different a suppressed gun sounds. I would think typically people wouldn't have realized it was a gun at first. Since the sound would be different then what people are used to hearing and it isn't like the movies. Would also depend on the suppressor that he was gonna buy as well.

Tora_Sami posted...

Wow, didn't know about yellow flag laws. This is actually the first time I heard of them, only hear about red. Yeah seems like this shit should have been prevented quite a while ago.

Also I would consider shooting in a unclosed space with people running and screaming to be not most circumstances. The sounds of his gun could have been masked and would have been much harder for people to pin point where he was coming from, not to mention how different a suppressed gun sounds. I would think typically people wouldn't have realized it was a gun at first. Since the sound would be different then what people are used to hearing and it isn't like the movies. Would also depend on the suppressor that he was gonna buy as well.

Yeah, it's why I'm in support of red flag laws with due process, like this Yellow Flag law does. I'd alter it to allow immediate family to report behavior as well though, more opportunities to weed out these sick fucks.

Lokison posted...

I didn't say that, I was pointing out how stupid the whole thing is. Hence the baseball bat comment. If you're gonna do the whole "the store and manufacturer should be held liable", how for will does it go? Baseball Bats are one of the most used weapons in assaults. It would be absolutely stupid to try and go after those people for all the skull cracked, so why are we gonna jump on the gun manufacturer?

Honestly seems like you get my side.

A baseball bat exists to play baseball with. Sure you can assault someone with it, but you could assault someone with a sheet of A4 paper, humans are pretty inventive. The intended goal of this item is to play a game.

A gun exists solely to shoot something. Literally every function it has comes from the ability to fire a projectile with enough force to literally kill something. The intended goal of this item is to kill something.

You will notice that these are not the same.

In addition, there is already plenty of precedent for criminal levels of negligence. If you serve someone alcohol when they've clearly had enough, you can get done for that, especially if something ends up happening because of that level of intoxication. I don't know if you could get the weapons manufacturers (although morally they're absolutely responsible through lobbying) but you could absolutely go after stores not doing their due diligence.

reincarnator07 posted...

In addition, there is already plenty of precedent for criminal levels of negligence. If you serve someone alcohol when they've clearly had enough, you can get done for that, especially if something ends up happening because of that level of intoxication. I don't know if you could get the weapons manufacturers (although morally they're absolutely responsible through lobbying) but you could absolutely go after stores not doing their due diligence.

Also, on a simpler level, not checking ID before selling alcohol or tobacco to someone who looks underage.

Gun sellers should absolutely be civilly liable if they provided weapons to a unhinged person that when on to cause a mass shooting. Their products have such potential for harm that discretion is obligatory, and should legally be a responsibility. Bartenders can be sued if someone they've served gets in an accident or dies, even if the person got more drunk or high elsewhere. They have to make that judgement. It should be the same way for arms retailers.

Sure, some unfair lawsuits will happen. It's hardly enough to actually threaten the industry financially. And you bet your ass these sellers would become a lot more diligent. Even without red flag laws, more terrorists would be caught before they act.