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Chicken
11/12/23 2:52:10 AM
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Tyranthraxus
11/12/23 3:13:27 AM
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I don't even know what pro Israel means. Like pro what about Israel? Just anything the government says? Or does it mean something like Zionism?

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TheJustice
11/12/23 3:27:00 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't even know what pro Israel means.

"Right? Soooooooooo confusing. What's pro? Like a professional? A professional what? And Isreal? Is what real? Sounds like something made up. So there's no way anybody here is pro-Israel. Definitely." *wink*

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 3:31:17 AM
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I don't care about either side. I say let them go at it.

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Rotterdammerung
11/12/23 3:33:35 AM
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I am pro-Israel inasmuch as I believe that Israel should continue to exist.

That said, I have nothing but the utmost disgust for Israels actions over the last 20 years, and in particular over the last month.

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Zikten
11/12/23 3:58:22 AM
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In this situation, pro Israel means supporting the Israeli government and believing everything they say in regards to their war against Hamas (and mistreatment of the normal Palestinian civilians)

Basically pro Israel people think that the Israeli government is telling the truth about trying not to kill any civilians. And saying things like "Israel has the right to defend itself " in response to news reports of 10,000 civilians (possibly half of those being kids) being killed
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TheJustice
11/12/23 4:03:22 AM
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Zikten posted...
In this situation, pro Israel means supporting the Israeli government and believing everything they say in regards to their war against Hamas (and mistreatment of the normal Palestinian civilians)

Basically pro Israel people think that the Israeli government is telling the truth about trying not to kill any civilians. And saying things like "Israel has the right to defend itself " in response to news reports of 10,000 civilians (possibly half of those being kids) being killed

Not to mention the dozens of journalists they have assassinated to keep as much truth out of the world's eye as they can.

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1337toothbrush
11/12/23 4:38:25 AM
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Rotterdammerung posted...
I am pro-Israel inasmuch as I believe that Israel should continue to exist.

That said, I have nothing but the utmost disgust for Israels actions over the last 20 years, and in particular over the last month.
Why do you think a genocidal ethnostate with decades of horrific actions, which you yourself admit disgusts you, should continue to exist?

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
11/12/23 5:27:46 AM
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I see mostly either Pro-hamas or Pro-don't-want-to-deal-with-either.

And even among the remainder, they are basically "Israel was attacked and is now attacking back, and frankly there is no good guy so let them fight till one is gone. Which will be Hamas because Israel has tons of cool weapons."

The slight remainder is NCD fellows, who are mostly fawning over the new stealth bomber at the moment and trying to invent some way to sexualize it.


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Zwijn
11/12/23 5:34:44 AM
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I wish the west was less invested in this emotionally. Half our last D&D session consisted of some people screaming death to Jews with the other half yelling nuke Palestine. People went absolutely nuts.
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Zikten
11/12/23 5:53:35 AM
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Zwijn posted...
I wish the west was less invested in this emotionally. Half our last D&D session consisted of some people screaming death to Jews with the other half yelling nuke Palestine. People went absolutely nuts.
I wouldn't keep playing dnd with people like that
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CanadianMafK
11/12/23 6:12:36 AM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I don't care about either side. I say let them go at it.

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DnDer
11/12/23 6:14:18 AM
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Zwijn posted...
I wish the west was less invested in this emotionally. Half our last D&D session consisted of some people screaming death to Jews with the other half yelling nuke Palestine. People went absolutely nuts.

(1) I'm not one to say which people at a table are having #badwrongfun... but your entire table is having #badwrongfun. Find a new group.

(2) You're missing a month of karma on a 4-month-old account and you have 600 active posts. What the fuck?

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Zwijn
11/12/23 6:48:51 AM
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DnDer posted...
(1) I'm not one to say which people at a table are having #badwrongfun... but your entire table is having #badwrongfun. Find a new group.

(2) You're missing a month of karma on a 4-month-old account and you have 600 active posts. What the fuck?
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Tyranthraxus
11/12/23 9:40:25 AM
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Zikten posted...
In this situation, pro Israel means supporting the Israeli government and believing everything they say in regards to their war against Hamas (and mistreatment of the normal Palestinian civilians)

Basically pro Israel people think that the Israeli government is telling the truth about trying not to kill any civilians. And saying things like "Israel has the right to defend itself " in response to news reports of 10,000 civilians (possibly half of those being kids) being killed

I can't imagine just believing anything the Israeli government says. Netanyahu is under like 4 indictments or something like that. He's like a mini-Trump.

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ooger
11/12/23 9:43:04 AM
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Unsurprisingly, TC has not come back to shed knowledge on what they meant.

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Chicken
11/12/23 2:54:24 PM
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ooger posted...
Unsurprisingly, TC has not come back to shed knowledge on what they meant.
What more would you want to hear? Millions of people around the world from every culture are waving flags in protest.

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Bigpapaplut
11/12/23 3:19:50 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I don't care about either side. I say let them go at it.


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FortuneCookie
11/12/23 3:26:56 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I don't care about either side. I say let them go at it.

"Fuck dying people in other countries."
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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 3:58:28 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
"Fuck dying people in other countries."

We've got enough people dying in our own country along with plenty of other problems we should focus on first.

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Chicken
11/12/23 4:07:42 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
We've got enough people dying in our own country along with plenty of other problems we should focus on first.
Are you also saying we should have ignored the holocaust because we had our own problems to deal with at the time?

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/12/23 4:09:10 PM
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And all it took was a massacre of 1200 Israelis and 239 people being kidnapped for people to march.

What a wonderful world we live in.

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DUKLegend
11/12/23 4:18:05 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
And all it took was a massacre of 1200 Israelis and 239 people being kidnapped for people to march.

What a wonderful world we live in.

I'd probably say the 10,000+ Palestinians killed are probably the reason for that.

These people marching aren't celebrating those killed in 10/7. Watch less Fox news please.
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Trumble
11/12/23 4:19:05 PM
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DUKLegend posted...
I'd probably say the 10,000+ Palestinians killed are probably the reason for that.
That user is one of the most aggressive Israel shills on here. Not even worth engaging him at this point, he's clearly either an Israeli supremacist or on their payroll; just mark him and move on.

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hockeybub89
11/12/23 4:20:46 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
We've got enough people dying in our own country along with plenty of other problems we should focus on first.
Yeah, like how we should have let Russia take Ukraine, since we don't live in a global society with a global economy.

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TheJustice
11/12/23 4:21:31 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
And all it took was a massacre of 1200 Israelis and 239 people being kidnapped for people to march.

What a wonderful world we live in.

1200 dead Israelis: A massacre.

10,000 dead Palestinians: They were all Hamas!

What a shitty world we live in.

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hockeybub89
11/12/23 4:22:09 PM
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Zwijn posted...
I wish the west was less invested in this emotionally. Half our last D&D session consisted of some people screaming death to Jews with the other half yelling nuke Palestine. People went absolutely nuts.
What the fuck kind of losers do you hang out with?

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hockeybub89
11/12/23 4:23:09 PM
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TheJustice posted...
1200 dead Israelis: A massacre.

10,000 dead Palestinians: They were all Hamas!

What a shitty world we live in.
He'll respond with "Israel has a right to defend itself"

And for another reminder for everyone, Israel counts every one of those dead Palestinians as a "terrorist".

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 4:24:51 PM
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Chicken posted...
Are you also saying we should have ignored the holocaust because we had our own problems to deal with at the time?

This is nowhere near the holocaust at the moment. If it comes to that then yes we should step in but for now we've got our own problems to deal with.

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hockeybub89
11/12/23 4:44:26 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
This is nowhere near the holocaust at the moment. If it comes to that then yes we should step in but for now we've got our own problems to deal with.
Which your ilk definitely aren't focused on fixing. They'd rather just shriek about abortion and woke and work on Project 2025.

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 4:46:32 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Which your ilk definitely aren't focused on fixing. They'd rather just shriek about abortion and woke and work on Project 2025.

I'm not on the right. So what ever opinion you have about me isn't based in reality.

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Trumble
11/12/23 4:50:19 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
This is nowhere near the holocaust at the moment. If it comes to that then yes we should step in but for now we've got our own problems to deal with.
So, at what death count was the right time to intervene in the Holocaust? Why not sooner?

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Trumble
11/12/23 4:52:17 PM
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If Biden jumped off a bridge...?

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ooger
11/12/23 5:13:15 PM
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Chicken posted...
What more would you want to hear? Millions of people around the world from every culture are waving flags in protest.
Did you not see the questions directed to you in the very first replies to your topic?

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 5:24:13 PM
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Trumble posted...
So, at what death count was the right time to intervene in the Holocaust? Why not sooner?

When they started incineration of 10s of thousands of people so 1933ish. The usa didn't even enter the war until what 1941? That was only because of pearl harbor and we only declared war on Japan. We didn't declare war against the axis until they declared war on us not long after pearl harbor. War is brutal and unfair, innocent people are going to die unfortunately.

A cease fire won't work because hamas has always broken any cease fire they had between them. The most we could do is tell Israel that we will cut them off if they don't stop but that won't make hamas stop so then we're back at square one. Kinda between a rock and a hard place with this one.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/12/23 6:51:04 PM
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Trumble posted...
So, at what death count was the right time to intervene in the Holocaust? Why not sooner?

We asked the Arabs that question in 1939. Not only did they slam the doors in our faces, they met with Hitler in 1941. America, Britain, and France did too btw.


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trivialbeing
11/12/23 6:53:46 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah, like how we should have let Russia take Ukraine, since we don't live in a global society with a global economy.
what you want America to be the world police now?
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DnDer
11/12/23 7:28:00 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
A cease fire won't work because hamas has always broken any cease fire they had between them.

Israel has broken cease fires before, pre-emptively, with the excuse of, "If we didn't, hamas totally would."

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 7:32:22 PM
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DnDer posted...
Israel has broken cease fires before, pre-emptively, with the excuse of, "If we didn't, hamas totally would."

So then what do we do? Neither side is going to stop just because we threaten them or tell them too.

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hockeybub89
11/12/23 8:04:27 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
what you want America to be the world police now?
I want the world to be world police.

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Zikten
11/12/23 8:11:17 PM
#42:


runewalshPSiv posted...
This is nowhere near the holocaust at the moment. If it comes to that then yes we should step in but for now we've got our own problems to deal with.
I'm sure that is a comfort to the 5,000 murdered Palestinian children.......
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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 8:12:19 PM
#43:


hockeybub89 posted...
I want the world to be world police.

That's not what the world wants. They want the US to deal with and fund everything ourselves. Ideally everyone would help but that's not how it is.

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JuanCarlos1
11/12/23 8:18:59 PM
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Zwijn posted...
I wish the west was less invested in this emotionally. Half our last D&D session consisted of some people screaming death to Jews with the other half yelling nuke Palestine. People went absolutely nuts.

Why are you playing with 8 year olds who have just learned about wars? Seriously thats disgusting and immature.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
And all it took was a massacre of 1200 Israelis and 239 people being kidnapped for people to march.

What a wonderful world we live in.

Holy fuck dude...you have shown to be better than this. We understand your investment in the matter, but you cant be SO OBLIVIOUS as to why a good chunk of the world is responding like this. And it has nothing to do with anti semitism and more with Israel turning into a war criminal.

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TheJustice
11/12/23 8:21:29 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
We asked the Arabs that question in 1939. Not only did they slam the doors in our faces, they met with Hitler in 1941. America, Britain, and France did too btw.

The Arabs had every right to slam the doors in your face. I didn't get a pony when I was a kid because I really, really, really wanted one. Why did Jews get a country because they really, really, really wanted one? One that was controlled by another government and other ethnic group?

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TheJustice
11/12/23 8:22:35 PM
#46:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
Holy fuck dude...you have shown to be better than this. We understand your investment in the matter, but you cant be SO OBLIVIOUS as to why a good chunk of the world is responding like this. And it has nothing to do with anti semitism and more with Israel turning into a war criminal.

He has absolutely, positively not.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/12/23 8:35:32 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
So then what do we do? Neither side is going to stop just because we threaten them or tell them too.
Israel would absolutely stop if they were told to by the US. They'd piss their pants if the US threatened sanctions or cutting of aid.

If we're ignoring what the US would actually do and only what they could/should do, the best way would probably be a relocation scheme. Any Israeli who opts in gets a funded immigration to the US (and maybe some other Western powers), any Israeli who doesn't opt in is left alone, with the condition that all other funding to Israel is cut.

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runewalshPSiv
11/12/23 8:38:37 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Israel would absolutely stop if they were told to by the US. They'd piss their pants if the US threatened sanctions or cutting of aid.

If we're ignoring what the US would actually do and only what they could/should do, the best way would probably be a relocation scheme. Any Israeli who opts in gets a funded immigration to the US (and maybe some other Western powers), any Israeli who doesn't opt in is left alone, with the condition that all other funding to Israel is cut.

Why relocate them? They seem to like where they are. What about hamas though? Even if Israel agreed to stop that doesn't mean hamas is going too.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/12/23 8:39:09 PM
#49:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
Why are you playing with 8 year olds who have just learned about wars? Seriously thats disgusting and immature.

Holy fuck dude...you have shown to be better than this. We understand your investment in the matter, but you cant be SO OBLIVIOUS as to why a good chunk of the world is responding like this. And it has nothing to do with anti semitism and more with Israel turning into a war criminal.

Im not oblivious to anything. Im straight up annoyed with the fact that October 7th has been swept under the rug. Im annoyed with the fact that you didnt see world wide protests to this extent when Russia invaded Ukraine. You have Jewish students in Universities who are terrified to go to college. And at no point in any of this outrage, do you see a demand to free the hostages.

Its like Hamas got a commit an atrocity free card because of the disproportionate response done by Israel. Its bad enough that every narrative Ive ever been taught in my education is being challenged by the totality of whats happening, but why is constantly bringing attention to October 7th and what happened that day making me the bad guy?

Especially when everyone else keeps bringing up ideas of eliminating Israel altogether? Like #47.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/12/23 8:49:40 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
Why relocate them?

Because Israel have not proven themselves capable of a peaceful existence in the region. Any "solution" that involves Israel left as it is is a non-starter.

They seem to like where they are.

That's fine. Like I said, Israelis that wouldn't want to opt into relocation would be left alone with no outside funding or aid.

What about hamas though?

What about Hamas? Hamas will find it significantly harder to radicalise its people without Israeli atrocities and oppression, any fears of Hamas wanting to exterminate Israelis can be solved by the aforementioned free ticket out of Israel, and without the conflict Hamas can be dealt with like any extremist organisation. If anything at that point you can just say Hamas is a purely Palestinian problem and it is up to them to decide whether their future is with or without Hamas.

Even if Israel agreed to stop that doesn't mean hamas is going too.

Hamas' rhetoric falls flat if Israel stops being an apartheid colonial state.

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