Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Lara Croft, Scorpion and Red vs. Sylvando, Marina and Heavy

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KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:03:48 PM #1:	Lara Croft, Scorpion and Pokemon Trainer Red have challenged Sylvando, Marina Liteyears and Heavy to a fight! Location of the fight: The Costa Valor - A large plains area next to a long coastline, as it appears during the partys first visit to the area. All enemies, items, NPCs, etc. have been removed. Access to the Salty Stallion or any adjacent area other than Puerto Valor itself is denied. Attackers begin at the entrance to Mount Pang Lai, while defenders begin in Puerto Valor.. Which side will win? Guidelines -The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. -The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan. -Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion. -No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort. -Mercenaries are considered 'downed' when defeated, unable to be roused except through a revival technique. A revival technique cannot affect a mercenary whose physical body has been completely destroyed and will not relocate them away from danger (ex. falling off of the terrain, being impaled, falling in lava), unless it would naturally do so in its own universe. -There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting -Bold your votes. -You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. -Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case. -If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. -This match will end in 24 hours. Lara Croft is as she appears in the Tomb Raider (2013) reboot series, including side media. She has access to all of her weaponry, including bow variants, fully upgraded and enhanced, as well as all of her perks and a healthy supply of all crafting materials and ammunition. Scorpion is as he appears in the Mortal Kombat series (before the Mortal Kombat 1 timeline reset), in his wraith form. He has access to all of his moves and variants thereof, and will gain strength from being in the Netherrealm if appropriate (but cannot teleport there from another locale). He may only use Fatalities and variants if the opportunity presents itself to do so. Babalities are not allowed. Pokemon Trainer Red is as he appears in Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver. He has access to Pikachu, Blastoise, Charizard, Venasaur, Snorlax and Espeon, which have access to their evolution lines entire natural learnsets up to Gen 7 of Pokemon (other than instant death causing moves, including those like Destiny Bond and Perish Song, set damage moves, and trapping moves/abilities), as well as HM moves, Pokken movesets, and Pokemon Unite moves where applicable. If the Pokemon has been owned by Red in-game, they have access to any non-natural moves demonstrated in any of his battles. He also has access to his bike, Silph Scope, Itemfinder, Poke Flute, Super Rod, Helix Fossil, and four Full Restores. Reds Pokemon may act of their own volition if Red is not actively commanding them. Red may have one Pokemon out at a time, and is able to be harmed. Only Red and any active Pokemon he has out are required to be defeated. ~VS~ Sylvando is as he appears in Dragon Quest XI. He is equipped with the Shamshir of Light, El Stupendo, Uber Gringham Whip, Tiara Tremendisima, and Gladder Rags. He has access to all spells and character builder upgrades, though he cannot cause stun or instant death with any move. Marina Liteyears is as she appears in Mischief Makers, with access to her full suite of capabilities. She may alter items by giving them a vigorous SHAKE SHAKE as usual. Heavy is as he appears in Team Fortress 2, including all official comics and SFM animations. He is equipped with the Tomislav, Second Banana, and Gloves of Running Urgently. Taunt attacks will not necessarily instantly kill anyone. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236014] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Lara Croft, Scorpion and Pokemon Trainer Red have challenged Sylvando, Marina Liteyears and Heavy to a fight! Location of the fight: The Costa Valor - A large plains area next to a long coastline, as it appears during the partys first visit to the area. All enemies, items, NPCs, etc. have been removed. Access to the Salty Stallion or any adjacent area other than Puerto Valor itself is denied. Attackers begin at the entrance to Mount Pang Lai, while defenders begin in Puerto Valor.. Which side will win?Guidelines-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.-Mercenaries are considered 'downed' when defeated, unable to be roused except through a revival technique. A revival technique cannot affect a mercenary whose physical body has been completely destroyed and will not relocate them away from danger (ex. falling off of the terrain, being impaled, falling in lava), unless it would naturally do so in its own universe.-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.Rules for Voting-Bold your votes.-You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios.-Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case. -If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.-This match will end in 24 hours.Lara Croft is as she appears in the Tomb Raider (2013) reboot series, including side media. She has access to all of her weaponry, including bow variants, fully upgraded and enhanced, as well as all of her perks and a healthy supply of all crafting materials and ammunition.Scorpion is as he appears in the Mortal Kombat series (before the Mortal Kombat 1 timeline reset), in his wraith form. He has access to all of his moves and variants thereof, and will gain strength from being in the Netherrealm if appropriate (but cannot teleport there from another locale). He may only use Fatalities and variants if the opportunity presents itself to do so. Babalities are not allowed.Pokemon Trainer Red is as he appears in Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver. He has access to Pikachu, Blastoise, Charizard, Venasaur, Snorlax and Espeon, which have access to their evolution lines entire natural learnsets up to Gen 7 of Pokemon (other than instant death causing moves, including those like Destiny Bond and Perish Song, set damage moves, and trapping moves/abilities), as well as HM moves, Pokken movesets, and Pokemon Unite moves where applicable. If the Pokemon has been owned by Red in-game, they have access to any non-natural moves demonstrated in any of his battles. He also has access to his bike, Silph Scope, Itemfinder, Poke Flute, Super Rod, Helix Fossil, and four Full Restores. Reds Pokemon may act of their own volition if Red is not actively commanding them. Red may have one Pokemon out at a time, and is able to be harmed. Only Red and any active Pokemon he has out are required to be defeated.~VS~Sylvando is as he appears in Dragon Quest XI. He is equipped with the Shamshir of Light, El Stupendo, Uber Gringham Whip, Tiara Tremendisima, and Gladder Rags. He has access to all spells and character builder upgrades, though he cannot cause stun or instant death with any move.Marina Liteyears is as she appears in Mischief Makers, with access to her full suite of capabilities. She may alter items by giving them a vigorous SHAKE SHAKE as usual.Heavy is as he appears in Team Fortress 2, including all official comics and SFM animations. He is equipped with the Tomislav, Second Banana, and Gloves of Running Urgently. Taunt attacks will not necessarily instantly kill anyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:04:42 PM #2:	Team Red's argument: Scorpion is the tankiest merc in this match. It will take a concerted effort from Heavy and Marina to take him down. While hes fairly fast compared to the combatants here (probably outclassed by Pikachu), his teleport gives him an edge. Heavy is really good. Hes easily the best sustained damage output in this match with his minigun over time, barring a Scorpion fatality or an upper damage Pokemon move. But hes not particularly known for his mobility. If hes focusing on something, say a very large Charizard breathing fire and causing a commotion with a fire blast, hes not going to be able to extremely quickly turn around and deal with a threat behind him. https://makeagif.com/gif/evolution-of-scorpions-teleport-punch-1992-2020-I2IBZ3 Scorpion is uniquely able to take advantage of the minigun-wielding Heavy to get the jump on him - literally - by teleporting behind him. Lara is best suited for stealthily engaging enemies. While she isnt going to blow anybody away with her durability in a sustained fight, shes certainly going to get hers to get an attack off. As a master of stealth, her most likely target is Sylvando as she will recognize that he is her easiest prey and he will be important to take down. Tomb Raider 2013 is filled with moments of Lara taking out enemies of Sylvandos calibur; most of which she handles while suffering from whatever other wound shes accumulated. Her competition bow, in particular, can be rigged with explosives and penetrating arrows to allow her to face off with Marina, even. While Heavy is really good in this match, and an extraordinarily skilled gunner with his minigun, he will have a very difficult time protecting Sylvnado when stealth gunner Lara and teleporting Scorpion are able to break through. Now, Marina is no slouch. Physically, she rivals Scorpion in pure strength and can easily grab and ragdoll any merc in this match that she can get her hands on. Her main problem in this match will be bridging the gap to get in close to any non-pokemon. Shes not necessarily sluggish, and has rocket boosts to kind of glide and catch up speed, but Scorpions reflexes and teleporting make him a very shifty target. Marinas go to defense when she sees a projectile isnt attempting to dodge or parry, but to catch the projectile in midair and throw it back at her foe. Which is a phenomenal feat in and of itself but is going to give her a really bad time when she tries to catch Scorpions kunai in mid air because he can manipulate the trajectory and take advantage of her. Lastly, we have the tankiest mercenary in this match: Pokemon Trainer Red. Any of Reds Pokemon can provide a reasonable fight for Marina, but the culmination of 6 of them that Marina will have to mow down will be simply too much. Factor in Reds full restores to heal his pokemon at opportune times during the match, and you have a legitimate powerhouse mercenary on your hands. Charizard: Speaking of strong mercenaries that can ragdoll their opponents https://makeagif.com/gif/pokemon-unite-1-ranked-charizard-in-the-world-guide-master-rank-9tT1Fh Charizard is incredibly beef, can fly, and will mess with opponents by spewing fire everywhere. Smokescreen is a reasonable defensive move to enable Lara to stealth more easily and allow some extra time before Heavy has eyes on opponents. Venasaur is probably the most useful pokemon in this match. In Pokemon Unite, Venasaur is a traditional bruiser type with an extremely long range and spammable solar beam attack that can hit multiple enemies. Venasaurs real usefulness will be his debuffs: leech seed wil easily turn the tide in any long lasting encounter. Sleep powder hitting Marina or Heavy will almost single handedly turn the tide of the match because it will easily enable a Scorpion fatality. Sweet scent will lower opposing evasion to reduce opposing merc reflexes. Veansaur just has a great kit to debuff enemies, heal himself, chip away at foes, and Speaking of debuffs, Pikachu might actually be the fastest combatant here. With his natural mobility + quick attack dashing, he will fairly easily be able to close the gap and set up his best attack: another debuff. Both Marina and Heavy are both extremely susceptible to thunder wave. While Pikachu may not be in the match for a very long time (and to be clear, this isnt a wild Veridan Forest Pikachu, this is Reds Pikachu), a single Thunder Wave causing paralysis and massive slow debuff on a foe is just extra fuel. Just like in actual pokemon battles on Smogon, PIkachu inflicting a Thunder Wave on an enemy is just going to allow Scorpion to more easily engage, Lara to get a shot off with her scoped Commando rifle or Red to set up a sweeper with Charizard Blastoise cleans up after debuffs are dropped. Between his Iron Defense in preparation and timely uses of Protect, he will be a nuisance to finally go down. Hes actually suspiciously mobile when hes surfing around on a torrent of water. He also has a cannon-mode build with Shell Smash where he becomes an insane damaging threat and still has protects and full restores for a little longevity. Individually, the Reds Pokemon arent world beaters, but the culmination of having 6 of them that he can use strategically to debuff, whittle away, and set up a sweeper is going to be enough to overpower Marina. Summary: 6 pokemon with various debuffs, ranged options, gap closers, stat buffs, healing is enough to overpower Marina. Heavy is the best sustained damage DPS in this match but Scorpion teleports behind him and he has a bad time. Lara as a stealth combat amidst the chaos of multiple Pokemon is a perfect cover to find and eliminate Sylvando and then assist elsewhere as an expert, brilliant marksman. Red has full restores, will be protected by his Pokemon, has non-bottom tier mobility with his bike, and is against a team that doesnt really have a stealthy assassin to take advantage of his low durability. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236031] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Team Red's argument:Scorpion is the tankiest merc in this match. It will take a concerted effort from Heavy and Marina to take him down. While hes fairly fast compared to the combatants here (probably outclassed by Pikachu), his teleport gives him an edge. Heavy is really good. Hes easily the best sustained damage output in this match with his minigun over time, barring a Scorpion fatality or an upper damage Pokemon move. But hes not particularly known for his mobility. If hes focusing on something, say a very large Charizard breathing fire and causing a commotion with a fire blast, hes not going to be able to extremely quickly turn around and deal with a threat behind him.https://makeagif.com/gif/evolution-of-scorpions-teleport-punch-1992-2020-I2IBZ3Scorpion is uniquely able to take advantage of the minigun-wielding Heavy to get the jump on him - literally - by teleporting behind him. Lara is best suited for stealthily engaging enemies. While she isnt going to blow anybody away with her durability in a sustained fight, shes certainly going to get hers to get an attack off. As a master of stealth, her most likely target is Sylvando as she will recognize that he is her easiest prey and he will be important to take down. Tomb Raider 2013 is filled with moments of Lara taking out enemies of Sylvandos calibur; most of which she handles while suffering from whatever other wound shes accumulated. Her competition bow, in particular, can be rigged with explosives and penetrating arrows to allow her to face off with Marina, even. While Heavy is really good in this match, and an extraordinarily skilled gunner with his minigun, he will have a very difficult time protecting Sylvnado when stealth gunner Lara and teleporting Scorpion are able to break through. Now, Marina is no slouch. Physically, she rivals Scorpion in pure strength and can easily grab and ragdoll any merc in this match that she can get her hands on. Her main problem in this match will be bridging the gap to get in close to any non-pokemon. Shes not necessarily sluggish, and has rocket boosts to kind of glide and catch up speed, but Scorpions reflexes and teleporting make him a very shifty target. Marinas go to defense when she sees a projectile isnt attempting to dodge or parry, but to catch the projectile in midair and throw it back at her foe. Which is a phenomenal feat in and of itself but is going to give her a really bad time when she tries to catch Scorpions kunai in mid air because he can manipulate the trajectory and take advantage of her. Lastly, we have the tankiest mercenary in this match: Pokemon Trainer Red. Any of Reds Pokemon can provide a reasonable fight for Marina, but the culmination of 6 of them that Marina will have to mow down will be simply too much. Factor in Reds full restores to heal his pokemon at opportune times during the match, and you have a legitimate powerhouse mercenary on your hands. Charizard: Speaking of strong mercenaries that can ragdoll their opponentshttps://makeagif.com/gif/pokemon-unite-1-ranked-charizard-in-the-world-guide-master-rank-9tT1FhCharizard is incredibly beef, can fly, and will mess with opponents by spewing fire everywhere. Smokescreen is a reasonable defensive move to enable Lara to stealth more easily and allow some extra time before Heavy has eyes on opponents. Venasaur is probably the most useful pokemon in this match. In Pokemon Unite, Venasaur is a traditional bruiser type with an extremely long range and spammable solar beam attack that can hit multiple enemies. Venasaurs real usefulness will be his debuffs: leech seed wil easily turn the tide in any long lasting encounter. Sleep powder hitting Marina or Heavy will almost single handedly turn the tide of the match because it will easily enable a Scorpion fatality. Sweet scent will lower opposing evasion to reduce opposing merc reflexes. Veansaur just has a great kit to debuff enemies, heal himself, chip away at foes, and Speaking of debuffs, Pikachu might actually be the fastest combatant here. With his natural mobility + quick attack dashing, he will fairly easily be able to close the gap and set up his best attack: another debuff. Both Marina and Heavy are both extremely susceptible to thunder wave. While Pikachu may not be in the match for a very long time (and to be clear, this isnt a wild Veridan Forest Pikachu, this is Reds Pikachu), a single Thunder Wave causing paralysis and massive slow debuff on a foe is just extra fuel. Just like in actual pokemon battles on Smogon, PIkachu inflicting a Thunder Wave on an enemy is just going to allow Scorpion to more easily engage, Lara to get a shot off with her scoped Commando rifle or Red to set up a sweeper with CharizardBlastoise cleans up after debuffs are dropped. Between his Iron Defense in preparation and timely uses of Protect, he will be a nuisance to finally go down. Hes actually suspiciously mobile when hes surfing around on a torrent of water. He also has a cannon-mode build with Shell Smash where he becomes an insane damaging threat and still has protects and full restores for a little longevity. Individually, the Reds Pokemon arent world beaters, but the culmination of having 6 of them that he can use strategically to debuff, whittle away, and set up a sweeper is going to be enough to overpower Marina. Summary:6 pokemon with various debuffs, ranged options, gap closers, stat buffs, healing is enough to overpower Marina. Heavy is the best sustained damage DPS in this match but Scorpion teleports behind him and he has a bad time.Lara as a stealth combat amidst the chaos of multiple Pokemon is a perfect cover to find and eliminate Sylvando and then assist elsewhere as an expert, brilliant marksman.Red has full restores, will be protected by his Pokemon, has non-bottom tier mobility with his bike, and is against a team that doesnt really have a stealthy assassin to take advantage of his low durability. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:06:30 PM #3:	Team Sylvando's argument: Ahh, can you smell that? Love is in the air! Or possibly victory. Regardless of which it might be, it's certainly something sweet - as sweet as Team Sylvando's plan to seize victory from its opponents. So, first things first. Costa Valor is fairly open and easy to navigate, with the town of Puerto Valor situated to provide a perfect staging ground for the team. From its battlements, opponents can be seen coming from a mile away. This suits Team Sylvando just fine, because...they don't have to do anything! Merely get into position, scout out the opposition, and wait for them to get close enough to get pummelled. This is important, because it means that the first strike will set some brutal terms to the engagement. What does that first strike look like? Let's take a look. There's only one real logical way into Puerto Valor, and that's through a bridge. You can see the terrain here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/faqs/16/76716-146.jpg This creates a perfect killzone for Heavy to shoot puny baby men from. It also means Sylvando and Marina only have to worry about a few obvious angles of attack, too. Heavy is equipped with the Tomislav, a minigun that boasts tremendous accuracy, perfect for sniping the opposition down from a comfortable long distance. Coupled with Sylvando's own debuffs and his haste and attack buffs, this will make the approach an absolute nightmare for Red's pokemon and Lara. Scorpion can bypass the killzone by teleporting in, and certainly that might let him deal with Heavy...if it wasn't for the team's secret ace. Ladies and gentlemen...meet Marina. https://youtu.be/Ak09CUJWXl0?t=66 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARdmsBcc1lo Why yes, that IS a cute robot girl flinging around a megazord like so much garbage and flinging someone over the horizon (ignore the bit about not grabbing the lasers and rockets - she CAN do that, the first vid is a challenge run for style points. See the second for Marina catching a huge-ass laser beam and rockets like it's no big deal and flinging them back!). Marina is, by far, the most brawny mercenary in this match. If Scorp doesn't allocate his full focus to her, she will piledrive him straight through the ground, and no mistake. Teleporting in to disrupt Heavy might seem like a good idea...but it just means getting into Marina's strike zone. This underscores how easy the job of running defense is for Team Sylvando. The enemy team has to find answers to assaulting a chokepoint and fortified position while getting blasted with Heavy's unerring marksmanship (it's true! See the TF2 comics for more details), and it's not a fun or easy time. I'm looking over this myself and I'm not sure how they possibly win, frankly! They're quality fighters, but the intangibles...the intangibles are simply not there, my friends. "But wait, Kan!", I hear you say. "Aren't you forgetting someone?". As a matter of fact, not exactly -- I was simply saving the best for last. Sylvando is an expert showman. In his own game, he can play off anyone and anything, and function well in any teamcomp, and the same is true here. His mix of buffs speaks for itself, but did you know Sylvando also possesses a massive array of debuffs? Confusion, paralysis, sleep, charm, even fairly damaging poison...he can do it all, and best of all, he doesn't sacrifice offensive potency to do so, as they're addons to the baseline damage of his attacks. Couple that with his ability to drop persistent regenerative heals and also do burst healing, and he can fill any role his team requires of him, from up close OR from a distance. Thus, he makes for an ideal defender for Heavy as the enemy team tries to get close -- he can use his wind spells to throw them back, nerf them until they don't even know what they're aiming for, and, if anyone gets close enough, smack them silly with his whip and blade. This frees up Marina, once Scorpion has been dealt with or forced to retreat, to rush Lara and Red and dispose of them easily. His versatility allows his team to respond to any threat, and that is the key to victory here. Too many questions posed at Team Red...which they have no answers for. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236062] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Team Sylvando's argument:Ahh, can you smell that? Love is in the air! Or possibly victory. Regardless of which it might be, it's certainly something sweet - as sweet as Team Sylvando's plan to seize victory from its opponents.So, first things first. Costa Valor is fairly open and easy to navigate, with the town of Puerto Valor situated to provide a perfect staging ground for the team. From its battlements, opponents can be seen coming from a mile away. This suits Team Sylvando just fine, because...they don't have to do anything! Merely get into position, scout out the opposition, and wait for them to get close enough to get pummelled. This is important, because it means that the first strike will set some brutal terms to the engagement. What does that first strike look like? Let's take a look.There's only one real logical way into Puerto Valor, and that's through a bridge. You can see the terrain here:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/faqs/16/76716-146.jpgThis creates a perfect killzone for Heavy to shoot puny baby men from. It also means Sylvando and Marina only have to worry about a few obvious angles of attack, too. Heavy is equipped with the Tomislav, a minigun that boasts tremendous accuracy, perfect for sniping the opposition down from a comfortable long distance. Coupled with Sylvando's own debuffs and his haste and attack buffs, this will make the approach an absolute nightmare for Red's pokemon and Lara. Scorpion can bypass the killzone by teleporting in, and certainly that might let him deal with Heavy...if it wasn't for the team's secret ace. Ladies and gentlemen...meet Marina.https://youtu.be/Ak09CUJWXl0?t=66https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARdmsBcc1loWhy yes, that IS a cute robot girl flinging around a megazord like so much garbage and flinging someone over the horizon (ignore the bit about not grabbing the lasers and rockets - she CAN do that, the first vid is a challenge run for style points. See the second for Marina catching a huge-ass laser beam and rockets like it's no big deal and flinging them back!). Marina is, by far, the most brawny mercenary in this match. If Scorp doesn't allocate his full focus to her, she will piledrive him straight through the ground, and no mistake. Teleporting in to disrupt Heavy might seem like a good idea...but it just means getting into Marina's strike zone. This underscores how easy the job of running defense is for Team Sylvando. The enemy team has to find answers to assaulting a chokepoint and fortified position while getting blasted with Heavy's unerring marksmanship (it's true! See the TF2 comics for more details), and it's not a fun or easy time. I'm looking over this myself and I'm not sure how they possibly win, frankly! They're quality fighters, but the intangibles...the intangibles are simply not there, my friends."But wait, Kan!", I hear you say. "Aren't you forgetting someone?". As a matter of fact, not exactly -- I was simply saving the best for last. Sylvando is an expert showman. In his own game, he can play off anyone and anything, and function well in any teamcomp, and the same is true here. His mix of buffs speaks for itself, but did you know Sylvando also possesses a massive array of debuffs? Confusion, paralysis, sleep, charm, even fairly damaging poison...he can do it all, and best of all, he doesn't sacrifice offensive potency to do so, as they're addons to the baseline damage of his attacks. Couple that with his ability to drop persistent regenerative heals and also do burst healing, and he can fill any role his team requires of him, from up close OR from a distance. Thus, he makes for an ideal defender for Heavy as the enemy team tries to get close -- he can use his wind spells to throw them back, nerf them until they don't even know what they're aiming for, and, if anyone gets close enough, smack them silly with his whip and blade. This frees up Marina, once Scorpion has been dealt with or forced to retreat, to rush Lara and Red and dispose of them easily. His versatility allows his team to respond to any threat, and that is the key to victory here. Too many questions posed at Team Red...which they have no answers for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:10:57 PM #4:	So first things first. You know how thunderwave was argued for paralysis? It just so happens Sylvando...has a cure for that in his skillset, Sobering Slap. So even if you buy Pikachu getting close enough to nail it, it's easily healable. It also handles sleep, charm and confusion, so what do you know? The team can handle that argued CC comfily! Sylvando also happens to have dispelling strikes to deal with things like Protect and attack buffs, too. This is why he, much like Hawkeye, makes any team better. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236127] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>So first things first. You know how thunderwave was argued for paralysis? It just so happens Sylvando...has a cure for that in his skillset, Sobering Slap. So even if you buy Pikachu getting close enough to nail it, it's easily healable. It also handles sleep, charm and confusion, so what do you know? The team can handle that argued CC comfily! Sylvando also happens to have dispelling strikes to deal with things like Protect and attack buffs, too. This is why he, much like Hawkeye, makes any team better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 11/15/23 8:14:42 PM #5:	Gut says wow you don't want to face Hoovy on a terrain with a bunch of chokepoints. Scorpion can get around that problem, the others... --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:977236191] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Gut says wow you don't want to face Hoovy on a terrain with a bunch of chokepoints. Scorpion can get around that problem, the others... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 11/15/23 8:20:05 PM #6:	Does Espeon get Teleport in any of those spinoffs? --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:977236284] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Does Espeon get Teleport in any of those spinoffs? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:21:01 PM #7:	Yeah, it's going to be a really awful time if they just try the direct approach because, well, here's the path to Puerto Valor in the actual game: https://youtu.be/4-_0QbPtPT0?t=2350 The actual starting point is way, way far away from this, too, so zero chance Team Scorp gets there before Heavy's set up at a nice comfy position. The enemy team has zero reason to think there'll be an ambush there, with how long it'll take for them to get to the place and how much of a detour they might've embarked on before reaching it. Can't keep your guard up at all times while waiting for danger if danger never comes, right? --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236306] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it's going to be a really awful time if they just try the direct approach because, well, here's the path to Puerto Valor in the actual game:https://youtu.be/4-_0QbPtPT0?t=2350The actual starting point is way, way far away from this, too, so zero chance Team Scorp gets there before Heavy's set up at a nice comfy position. The enemy team has zero reason to think there'll be an ambush there, with how long it'll take for them to get to the place and how much of a detour they might've embarked on before reaching it. Can't keep your guard up at all times while waiting for danger if danger never comes, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:24:19 PM #8:	Mewtwo59 posted... Does Espeon get Teleport in any of those spinoffs? Far as I can tell the only spinoff Espeon has been in is Pokemon Unite, where it doesn't seem like it has Teleport. If I somehow missed it, I would like to be corrected. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236360] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Does Espeon get Teleport in any of those spinoffs?</quote>Far as I can tell the only spinoff Espeon has been in is Pokemon Unite, where it doesn't seem like it has Teleport. If I somehow missed it, I would like to be corrected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 11/15/23 8:34:25 PM #9:	Espeon does not have teleport. However, it does have Magic Bounce, which passively reflects status moves. Which is pretty damn good. General thoughts: -I do not think that Heavy gets the ambush. Red essentially has six Pokemon to scout with and Scorpion is literally a ninja, tracking one Pokemon while remaining unseen is not gonna be a problem. Odds are likely that it's Pikachu or Charizard who acts as a scout. They die, definitely. But it likely prevents Heavy from the easy sweep. -Sylvando's passive buffs give a crapton of longevity. However, if he gets taken out or hit by them, his team in a ton of trouble. -Venusaur's status effects give a crapton of longevity. However, if she gets taken out or Red gets ganked, her team is in a lot of trouble. -Blatoise has a good argument for being able to stall out Heavy. Combined Iron Defenses on his shell combined with Rapid Spin makes for him being able to properly stall things out. -Marina will take an immediate advantage if the fight goes into close range, basically a free win against Snorlax and a horrible 1v1 for Scorpion (would hate to fight someone who actually yanks his spear back and wins). However, she's very possible to be ganked. I do think this comes down to who ends up dying first - Red or Sylvando. Red needs to type match-up perfectly in order to get his team in an ideal position (basically Pikachu as a sac play, Blastoise to stall until Sylvando dies, Espeon or Venusaur as switches, not picking Snorlax he will lose), and Sylvando needs to make sure that Heavy doesn't take too much incoming damage from the enemy team's guns, or at least is regenning enough that he can continue with boolit. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:977236571] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Espeon does not have teleport. However, it does have Magic Bounce, which passively reflects status moves. Which is pretty damn good.General thoughts:-I do not think that Heavy gets the ambush. Red essentially has six Pokemon to scout with and Scorpion is literally a ninja, tracking one Pokemon while remaining unseen is not gonna be a problem. Odds are likely that it's Pikachu or Charizard who acts as a scout. They die, definitely. But it likely prevents Heavy from the easy sweep.-Sylvando's passive buffs give a crapton of longevity. However, if he gets taken out or hit by them, his team in a ton of trouble.-Venusaur's status effects give a crapton of longevity. However, if she gets taken out or Red gets ganked, her team is in a lot of trouble.-Blatoise has a good argument for being able to stall out Heavy. Combined Iron Defenses on his shell combined with Rapid Spin makes for him being able to properly stall things out. -Marina will take an immediate advantage if the fight goes into close range, basically a free win against Snorlax and a horrible 1v1 for Scorpion (would hate to fight someone who actually yanks his spear back and wins). However, she's very possible to be ganked.I do think this comes down to who ends up dying first - Red or Sylvando. Red needs to type match-up perfectly in order to get his team in an ideal position (basically Pikachu as a sac play, Blastoise to stall until Sylvando dies, Espeon or Venusaur as switches, not picking Snorlax he will lose), and Sylvando needs to make sure that Heavy doesn't take too much incoming damage from the enemy team's guns, or at least is regenning enough that he can continue with boolit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 8:45:06 PM #10:	I actually think Blastoise is like, the worst Pokemon Red can bring out (OK, Snorlax is terrible too, but more on this in a sec). Marina can just...lift him and toss him out of the fight. I know Pokedex weight figures are a joke, but he's what, 200 lb. or so? Even if you quintuple that figure, there's no shot that that's even remotely as heavy as the Beastector Combiner Marina has tossed around before. Can you imagine Red dodging a Blastoise tossed at him at high speeds? That sounds like a surefire way to get splatted. Marina kind of makes big slow dudes quake in their boots. Red needs to lead with his lightweights until she's taken care of or things will go real bad for him. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977236772] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I actually think Blastoise is like, the worst Pokemon Red can bring out (OK, Snorlax is terrible too, but more on this in a sec). Marina can just...lift him and toss him out of the fight. I know Pokedex weight figures are a joke, but he's what, 200 lb. or so? Even if you quintuple that figure, there's no shot that that's even remotely as heavy as the Beastector Combiner Marina has tossed around before. Can you imagine Red dodging a Blastoise tossed at him at high speeds? That sounds like a surefire way to get splatted. Marina kind of makes big slow dudes quake in their boots. Red needs to lead with his lightweights until she's taken care of or things will go real bad for him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 8:45:13 PM #11:	You mentioned every merc in the match except for Lara, who adds very neatly into your equation. Lara, with information from the scouts, is very well suited to get an attack off on Sylvnado. I think Snorlax is a little bit better than the credit youre giving him as his Unite moveset makes him an exceptional tank with the large shield. And while he isnt necessarily known for his debuffs, Screech is sneakily good to set up Lara or Scorpion and he always has the trump card of self-destruct. Marina has no way of avoiding self-destruct and if shes busy rag dolling the biggest target on the field, as she is known to do. A close-range self destruct will absolutely body her. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977236775] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>You mentioned every merc in the match except for Lara, who adds very neatly into your equation. Lara, with information from the scouts, is very well suited to get an attack off on Sylvnado. I think Snorlax is a little bit better than the credit youre giving him as his Unite moveset makes him an exceptional tank with the large shield. And while he isnt necessarily known for his debuffs, Screech is sneakily good to set up Lara or Scorpion and he always has the trump card of self-destruct. Marina has no way of avoiding self-destruct and if shes busy rag dolling the biggest target on the field, as she is known to do. A close-range self destruct will absolutely body her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 11/15/23 8:45:13 PM #12:	Red is a pretty bad matchup for either Heavy or Sylvando. He can't allow Heavy to see him or else he's dead (maybe I could buy Rei or Akari getting out of the way of the minigun. Red, no way). And Sylvando's whips hit enemy groups, and I'd buy Red and his Pokemon counting as the same group by DQ standards. Same deal with Woosh or Swoosh. Or he could turn himself into a Gholdengo with Gold Rush. Point is, Sylvando has a bunch of multi-target stuff that Red has no hope of surviving. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:977236776] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Red is a pretty bad matchup for either Heavy or Sylvando. He can't allow Heavy to see him or else he's dead (maybe I could buy Rei or Akari getting out of the way of the minigun. Red, no way). And Sylvando's whips hit enemy groups, and I'd buy Red and his Pokemon counting as the same group by DQ standards. Same deal with Woosh or Swoosh. Or he could turn himself into a Gholdengo with Gold Rush. Point is, Sylvando has a bunch of multi-target stuff that Red has no hope of surviving. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 11/15/23 8:57:26 PM #13:	Leaning heavily towards Team Heavy. Sylvando's loaded with buffs and healing, Heavy has the best range that can cut down just about anything, Marina's all around fast, strong, and durable already. Lara seems outgunned hard, Red himself is an obvious weakpoint for his pokemon (who would already have a tough time living through Heavy or going toe-to-toe with Marina), and Scorpion's alright but has a tendency to underperform. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:977237031] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Leaning heavily towards Team Heavy. Sylvando's loaded with buffs and healing, Heavy has the best range that can cut down just about anything, Marina's all around fast, strong, and durable already. Lara seems outgunned hard, Red himself is an obvious weakpoint for his pokemon (who would already have a tough time living through Heavy or going toe-to-toe with Marina), and Scorpion's alright but has a tendency to underperform. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 11/15/23 9:02:01 PM #14:	I think the most dangerous statuses here are Venusaur's Leech Seed and the various Burn chance moves from Charizard, which if we assume they play by Pokemon rules drastically nerf Marina and Sylvando. Heavy I think has his own burning rules from Pyro, though. --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:977237123] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I think the most dangerous statuses here are Venusaur's Leech Seed and the various Burn chance moves from Charizard, which if we assume they play by Pokemon rules drastically nerf Marina and Sylvando. Heavy I think has his own burning rules from Pyro, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/15/23 9:07:27 PM #15:	I love Lara but boy does she feel outclassed here. Scorpion too, outside of his teleport (which is very useful on this stage). Seems like it comes down to whether Red's numbers can carry the team. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:977237211] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I love Lara but boy does she feel outclassed here. Scorpion too, outside of his teleport (which is very useful on this stage). Seems like it comes down to whether Red's numbers can carry the team. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 11/15/23 9:14:00 PM #16:	Even in Pokemon, one turn kills are commonplace enough that setup play with status stuff has to be done really carefully and usually in service of making your own pokemon sweep the entire enemy team. They'd get shredded trying to apply them with Heavy anywhere nearby. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:977237328] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Even in Pokemon, one turn kills are commonplace enough that setup play with status stuff has to be done really carefully and usually in service of making your own pokemon sweep the entire enemy team. They'd get shredded trying to apply them with Heavy anywhere nearby. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 9:49:28 PM #17:	KJH posted... Even in Pokemon, one turn kills are commonplace enough that setup play with status stuff has to be done really carefully and usually in service of making your own pokemon sweep the entire enemy team. They'd get shredded trying to apply them with Heavy anywhere nearby. In pokemon, setup play with status stuff occurs in a 6v6 or even number match. Red has incredible numbers advantage where he doesn't have to plan ahead to win a 5v6 after a status debuff goes down, because in this match he has 8 pokemon and he's only fighting against 3 of them. While Marina's first instinct may be to try and grab the large foes of Blastoise and Snorlax, it isn't going to be that simple. Anybody who has played Pokemon Unite knows that Blastoise does not simply walk into fights... he ALWAYS surfs in to engage. Unless you're arguing that Marina flanks him and gets him from behind, then Blastoise will surely be surfing in and even Marina is going to feel some kind of crowd control from the move. <img src="https://img.game8.co/3419450/431e4d3f945f0bfdf47b526ae8057c21.gif/show"> If that tidal wave hits somebody in game, they are knocked up off the ground and momentarily stunned. And I'm telling you, as a Blastoise player, this move doesn't get used sparingly. Snorlax is not terrible! He has his ultimate ability, which is a quick leap forward into huge knock up and slow area of effect, followed up a TON of healing, and that followed up by a timely self-destruct. Marina = close range = not dodging this attack easily. There's also the matter of his shield, which is incredibly useful at protecting red and blocking Heavy's minigun fire. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a2324683.jpg I mean, just look at this thing. Not only does it block attacks, but in game it mini-stuns every 0.5 seconds every enemy that collides with it. Topping it off with his premier debuffs in Yawn and Screech as well as boosts with either Belly Drum and Amnesia and Snorlax is a formidable tank. There's also the idea of Red using a clutch full restore to immediately full-heal, removing debuffs including, any pokemon to full health. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977238068] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KJH posted... </cite><quote>Even in Pokemon, one turn kills are commonplace enough that setup play with status stuff has to be done really carefully and usually in service of making your own pokemon sweep the entire enemy team. They'd get shredded trying to apply them with Heavy anywhere nearby.</quote>In pokemon, setup play with status stuff occurs in a 6v6 or even number match. Red has incredible numbers advantage where he doesn't have to plan ahead to win a 5v6 after a status debuff goes down, because in this match he has 8 pokemon and he's only fighting against 3 of them. While Marina's first instinct may be to try and grab the large foes of Blastoise and Snorlax, it isn't going to be that simple. Anybody who has played Pokemon Unite knows that Blastoise does not simply walk into fights... he ALWAYS surfs in to engage. Unless you're arguing that Marina flanks him and gets him from behind, then Blastoise will surely be surfing in and even Marina is going to feel some kind of crowd control from the move. <img src="https://img.game8.co/3419450/431e4d3f945f0bfdf47b526ae8057c21.gif/show">If that tidal wave hits somebody in game, they are knocked up off the ground and momentarily stunned. And I'm telling you, as a Blastoise player, this move doesn't get used sparingly. Snorlax is not terrible! He has his ultimate ability, which is a quick leap forward into huge knock up and slow area of effect, followed up a TON of healing, and that followed up by a timely self-destruct. Marina = close range = not dodging this attack easily. There's also the matter of his shield, which is incredibly useful at protecting red and blocking Heavy's minigun fire. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a2324683.jpgI mean, just look at this thing. Not only does it block attacks, but in game it mini-stuns every 0.5 seconds every enemy that collides with it. Topping it off with his premier debuffs in Yawn and Screech as well as boosts with either Belly Drum and Amnesia and Snorlax is a formidable tank. There's also the idea of Red using a clutch full restore to immediately full-heal, removing debuffs including, any pokemon to full health. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 11/15/23 9:50:28 PM #18:	Scorps is insanely adept at this terrain. Solo revenge missions against the Cyber Lin Kuei and fighting off the Special Forces means he's fought against gunfire with hellfire, and his spear has pierced straight through a helicopter before (MKX Johnny Cage chapter, I think?). The combination of that, his general undead-ness preventing bullets from being the insta-kill it would be on humans, and teleportation makes him REALLY good against pretty much everyone but Marina, whose whole thing is "wait for the tell, then throw it really, really hard". Which is... basically what's gonna have to happen; Red has the means to properly fight against Heavy with Blastoise, Scorpion can at least keep Marina occupied, which leaves Sylvando and Lara open to either support their team or go in for the proper snipe of the other team's support core (Red and Sylvando, respectively). Which I respect the absolute Hell out of Sylvando to do. https://youtu.be/Dy1GfhtjuVk#t=15m00s (15:00 if it doesn't auto-link to there) Dude's fast enough to killsteal against this sand monster that broke this wimpy prince's sword in the middle of it taking a swing at him, on top of his general support suite. If there's an opportunity to close the distance, he'll take it. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:977238083] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Scorps is insanely adept at this terrain. Solo revenge missions against the Cyber Lin Kuei and fighting off the Special Forces means he's fought against gunfire with hellfire, and his spear has pierced straight through a helicopter before (MKX Johnny Cage chapter, I think?). The combination of that, his general undead-ness preventing bullets from being the insta-kill it would be on humans, and teleportation makes him REALLY good against pretty much everyone but Marina, whose whole thing is "wait for the tell, then throw it really, really hard".Which is... basically what's gonna have to happen; Red has the means to properly fight against Heavy with Blastoise, Scorpion can at least keep Marina occupied, which leaves Sylvando and Lara open to either support their team or go in for the proper snipe of the other team's support core (Red and Sylvando, respectively). Which I respect the absolute Hell out of Sylvando to do.https://youtu.be/Dy1GfhtjuVk#t=15m00s(15:00 if it doesn't auto-link to there)Dude's fast enough to killsteal against this sand monster that broke this wimpy prince's sword in the middle of it taking a swing at him, on top of his general support suite. If there's an opportunity to close the distance, he'll take it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 10:04:48 PM #19:	Concur. Sylvando is not a weakling. Yes, supporting is something he's extremely adept at and likes to do (man wants to put smiles on people's faces after all), but unlike Red, he isn't a helpless commander. Lara is a threat who can serve as a force multiplier (mostly against Heavy I think -- the only thing she has to hurt Marina with are explosive arrows and it's entirely in her wheelhouse to grab them in mid air, give them a SHAKE SHAKE to make them somehow bigger, and send them back), but Sylvando can too, and also fulfill other roles. That flexibility is killer here, when what his team needs can vary a lot. I don't think this is a linear match at all, courtesy of the high quality of the enemy team, but Sylvando can adapt to it consistently and won't fold if, say, Scorp turns towards him for a bit. He also has a surprising amount of play against the Pokemon due to having type-countering moves, like a fire attack to deal with Venasaur, an anti-dragon move to (possibly) cut Charizard down, whatever you want to classify That's Amore and Finger of Justice as...you get the idea. He truly has a tool for every situation. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977238322] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Concur. Sylvando is not a weakling. Yes, supporting is something he's extremely adept at and likes to do (man wants to put smiles on people's faces after all), but unlike Red, he isn't a helpless commander. Lara is a threat who can serve as a force multiplier (mostly against Heavy I think -- the only thing she has to hurt Marina with are explosive arrows and it's entirely in her wheelhouse to grab them in mid air, give them a SHAKE SHAKE to make them somehow bigger, and send them back), but Sylvando can too, and also fulfill other roles. That flexibility is killer here, when what his team needs can vary a lot. I don't think this is a linear match at all, courtesy of the high quality of the enemy team, but Sylvando can adapt to it consistently and won't fold if, say, Scorp turns towards him for a bit. He also has a surprising amount of play against the Pokemon due to having type-countering moves, like a fire attack to deal with Venasaur, an anti-dragon move to (possibly) cut Charizard down, whatever you want to classify That's Amore and Finger of Justice as...you get the idea. He truly has a tool for every situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/15/23 10:06:34 PM #20:	I'm leaning toward Team Scorp here. Numbers advantage is huge for scouting, and Scorp has dealt with super strong humanoid robots before in the Cyber Lin Kuei. I actually think he's a bad matchup for Marina because he can cross her up so quickly. HOWEVER, I don't think he can handle Marina and Sylvando together on his own, and he definitely can't get anything more than clipped by the Tomislav or he's just ventilated. Lara's going to need to put in work and snipe one of the members of Team Sylvando. Heavy is notoriously vulnerable to getting sniped! --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:977238348] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I'm leaning toward Team Scorp here. Numbers advantage is huge for scouting, and Scorp has dealt with super strong humanoid robots before in the Cyber Lin Kuei. I actually think he's a bad matchup for Marina because he can cross her up so quickly.HOWEVER, I don't think he can handle Marina and Sylvando together on his own, and he definitely can't get anything more than clipped by the Tomislav or he's just ventilated. Lara's going to need to put in work and snipe one of the members of Team Sylvando. Heavy is notoriously vulnerable to getting sniped! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/15/23 10:09:19 PM #21:	What weapons does Lara have? --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:977238394] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>What weapons does Lara have? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 10:16:26 PM #22:	KamikazePotato posted... What weapons does Lara have? Bows, a shotgun, an assault rifle, a bolt action rifle and various pistols, plus melee knives and axes (but you really, really don't want to think about those. Lara has a billion showings of getting rocked in melee by randos, she's a pure markswoman). She's got standard, rope, fire, penetrating, explosive and poison arrows to work with. She's mostly midrange focused, with a few longer range options when the need arises for them. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977238496] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>What weapons does Lara have?</quote>Bows, a shotgun, an assault rifle, a bolt action rifle and various pistols, plus melee knives and axes (but you really, really don't want to think about those. Lara has a billion showings of getting rocked in melee by randos, she's a pure markswoman). She's got standard, rope, fire, penetrating, explosive and poison arrows to work with. She's mostly midrange focused, with a few longer range options when the need arises for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 11/15/23 10:21:22 PM #23:	Admittedly her confusion gas arrows are really nasty. Heavy turning the guns on his own team for even a moment would pretty much be it for them --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:977238569] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Admittedly her confusion gas arrows are really nasty. Heavy turning the guns on his own team for even a moment would pretty much be it for them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 10:22:16 PM #24:	Scorpion doesn't need to do anything alone! He has a very willing team of Pokemon to assist him. Lots of them. Lara's bow is lowkey probably her best weapon vs Marina, with exploding and penetrating arrows. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/080d88b5.png Versus Heavy, she has the same arrows but also the scoped rifle she spend the entire game searching for parts for and upgrading, plus some fun grenade options. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3115a6e9.png Commando rifle: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f37432d2.jpg Grenade launcher: https://youtu.be/wducIpDDF4c?t=495 Good old fashioned double pistols: (major spoilers) https://youtu.be/wducIpDDF4c?t=437 --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977238587] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Scorpion doesn't need to do anything alone! He has a very willing team of Pokemon to assist him. Lots of them. Lara's bow is lowkey probably her best weapon vs Marina, with exploding and penetrating arrows.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/080d88b5.pngVersus Heavy, she has the same arrows but also the scoped rifle she spend the entire game searching for parts for and upgrading, plus some fun grenade options.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3115a6e9.pngCommando rifle:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f37432d2.jpgGrenade launcher:https://youtu.be/wducIpDDF4c?t=495Good old fashioned double pistols: (major spoilers)https://youtu.be/wducIpDDF4c?t=437 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 11/15/23 10:39:17 PM #25:	Lara is weaker than Heavy but also way more skilled? --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:977238806] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Lara is weaker than Heavy but also way more skilled? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/15/23 10:40:16 PM #26:	Lara has more options. Heavy is VERY skilled at the things he does. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:977238824] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Lara has more options. Heavy is VERY skilled at the things he does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 10:41:59 PM #27:	What Trdl said. I'm struggling to find it right now but Heavy has ridiculous marksmanship feats in the TF2 comics (maybe Kamek has the pages saved?). He's not an unskilled lug, he just doesn't need more than one excellent weapon to kick ass. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977238844] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>What Trdl said. I'm struggling to find it right now but Heavy has ridiculous marksmanship feats in the TF2 comics (maybe Kamek has the pages saved?). He's not an unskilled lug, he just doesn't need more than one excellent weapon to kick ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 10:42:36 PM #28:	Lara also has sniper rifles that she can use against either Sylvnado or Heavy. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977238853] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Lara also has sniper rifles that she can use against either Sylvnado or Heavy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 10:59:33 PM #29:	I think that with scouted information, Lara is going to be able stealth into a position where she can get off at least some sniper fire. This is very bad news for Heavy, as he "is notoriously vulnerable to getting sniped!" I also think it's very bad news for Sylvnado, if that's the position Lara ends up in. Either way, I think she has the time in this match sneak away and do what she does best. While Heavy is situated pretty well in this terrain, he is not well situated against a team with Scout I mean this many options for scouting. The sheer numbers eliminates his advantage on this terrain. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977239062] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I think that with scouted information, Lara is going to be able stealth into a position where she can get off at least some sniper fire. This is very bad news for Heavy, as he "is notoriously vulnerable to getting sniped!"I also think it's very bad news for Sylvnado, if that's the position Lara ends up in. Either way, I think she has the time in this match sneak away and do what she does best. While Heavy is situated pretty well in this terrain, he is not well situated against a team with Scout I mean this many options for scouting. The sheer numbers eliminates his advantage on this terrain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/15/23 11:03:50 PM #30:	I'm not sure you want to argue that point, Boko. "Sheer numbers" is exactly where Heavy does his best work, mowing down the lot. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:977239102] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure you want to argue that point, Boko. "Sheer numbers" is exactly where Heavy does his best work, mowing down the lot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 11:08:52 PM #31:	'Having time to sneak away' is all well and good, but this terrain doesn't really have good sneaking spots at all. I posted a video earlier of what the approach to Puerto Valor looks like. It's open plains with just a few sparse trees to hide behind. Good for cover, yes, good for sneaking, hell naw. That's really the issue here -- Sylvando and his friends don't have to abandon their comfy spot in the watchtowers leading into Puerto Valor at all, and can see Red's team coming before they get seen as a natural consequence of their altitude advantage and being in cover. A pokemon or two getting served up as suicide scouts to reveal that they're holed up is reasonable, but it doesn't take away from the fact the position is much harder to assault than it is to defend. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239164] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>'Having time to sneak away' is all well and good, but this terrain doesn't really have good sneaking spots at all. I posted a video earlier of what the approach to Puerto Valor looks like. It's open plains with just a few sparse trees to hide behind. Good for cover, yes, good for sneaking, hell naw. That's really the issue here -- Sylvando and his friends don't have to abandon their comfy spot in the watchtowers leading into Puerto Valor at all, and can see Red's team coming before they get seen as a natural consequence of their altitude advantage and being in cover. A pokemon or two getting served up as suicide scouts to reveal that they're holed up is reasonable, but it doesn't take away from the fact the position is much harder to assault than it is to defend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/15/23 11:13:16 PM #32:	MajinZidane posted... Lara also has sniper rifles that she can use against either Sylvnado or Heavy. I don't think she does, based on her current loadout. She has bows and guns, but not specifically sniper rifles, which is an important distinction. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:977239203] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>MajinZidane posted... </cite><quote>Lara also has sniper rifles that she can use against either Sylvnado or Heavy.</quote>I don't think she does, based on her current loadout. She has bows and guns, but not specifically sniper rifles, which is an important distinction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 11/15/23 11:16:53 PM #33:	trdl23 posted... I'm not sure you want to argue that point, Boko. "Sheer numbers" is exactly where Heavy does his best work, mowing down the lot. I misspoke in that case, cuz I meant number of lives in a sense. That's kind of Pokemon Trainer's thing. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:977239240] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>trdl23 posted... </cite><quote>I'm not sure you want to argue that point, Boko. "Sheer numbers" is exactly where Heavy does his best work, mowing down the lot.</quote>I misspoke in that case, cuz I meant number of lives in a sense. That's kind of Pokemon Trainer's thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 11:17:02 PM #34:	KamikazePotato posted... I don't think she does, based on her current loadout. She has bows and guns, but not specifically sniper rifles, which is an important distinction. She should have at least one rifle that can serve as such, as that's part of the options she has in the 2013 reboot series (consisting of Tomb Raider 2013, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider). Both Rise and Shadow feature a Bolt-Action Rifle to go with the standard assault rifle options. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239242] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>I don't think she does, based on her current loadout. She has bows and guns, but not specifically sniper rifles, which is an important distinction.</quote>She should have at least one rifle that can serve as such, as that's part of the options she has in the 2013 reboot series (consisting of Tomb Raider 2013, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider). Both Rise and Shadow feature a Bolt-Action Rifle to go with the standard assault rifle options. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 11:24:07 PM #35:	On that note btw, re: 'Scorpion getting in on Heavy'... https://youtu.be/6aLjwVVNq4s?t=596 Heavy is tough as nails. You don't stop a train and survive a train car falling on you (after the ubercharge is no longer maintained) casually enough to not show a single scratch that easily unless you're built like a brick shithouse. It's going to take a concerted effort to take him down, which means leaving only one person to handle Marina and Sylvando. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239314] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>On that note btw, re: 'Scorpion getting in on Heavy'...https://youtu.be/6aLjwVVNq4s?t=596Heavy is tough as nails. You don't stop a train and survive a train car falling on you (after the ubercharge is no longer maintained) casually enough to not show a single scratch that easily unless you're built like a brick shithouse. It's going to take a concerted effort to take him down, which means leaving only one person to handle Marina and Sylvando. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 11/15/23 11:33:47 PM #36:	KanzarisKelshen posted... It's going to take a concerted effort to take him down he still gets consistently put down with a bullet to the brain. If Lara can't do it, Blastoise, who in terms of pressure can shoot harder with a Hydro Pump, probably can. --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:977239423] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KanzarisKelshen posted... </cite><quote>It's going to take a concerted effort to take him down</quote>he still gets consistently put down with a bullet to the brain. If Lara can't do it, Blastoise, who in terms of pressure can shoot harder with a Hydro Pump, probably can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 11:38:28 PM #37:	Hbthebattle posted... he still gets consistently put down with a bullet to the brain. If Lara can't do it, Blastoise, who in terms of pressure can shoot harder with a Hydro Pump, probably can. Certainly, but that requires actually hitting him. It's why the defensive position matters so much. Blastoise's water shots can probably hit that hard, but Heavy can step into cover to protect himself from them. If this was a battle in a completely open plain it'd be a very different story. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239469] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite><quote>he still gets consistently put down with a bullet to the brain. If Lara can't do it, Blastoise, who in terms of pressure can shoot harder with a Hydro Pump, probably can.</quote>Certainly, but that requires actually hitting him. It's why the defensive position matters so much. Blastoise's water shots can probably hit that hard, but Heavy can step into cover to protect himself from them. If this was a battle in a completely open plain it'd be a very different story. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/15/23 11:46:41 PM #38:	KanzarisKelshen posted... https://youtu.be/6aLjwVVNq4s?t=596 I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:977239544] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KanzarisKelshen posted... </cite><quote>https://youtu.be/6aLjwVVNq4s?t=596</quote>I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 11/15/23 11:49:47 PM #39:	alyx vance on upper blackrock spire what --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:977239581] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>alyx vance on upper blackrock spirewhat </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/15/23 11:54:03 PM #40:	KamikazePotato posted... I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos. I double-checked with our resident TF2 lore expert before posting it, just in case, and got the go-ahead. It's notably the only video to have ever received this distinction, far as I can tell, too. To be clear, I'm not arguing Heavy can tank a runaway train, because that's clearly the Ubercharge at play. What I propose is that Heavy is beefy enough to take the traincar falling on him after, since by that point Medic's stopped ubering him. I don't think that's beyond the pale considering Soldier (never considered as tough as Heavy) survives having his spine completely shattered in the Jungle Inferno video and is just fine like, a minute later or less. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239619] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos.</quote>I double-checked with our resident TF2 lore expert before posting it, just in case, and got the go-ahead. It's notably the only video to have ever received this distinction, far as I can tell, too. To be clear, I'm not arguing Heavy can tank a runaway train, because that's clearly the Ubercharge at play. What I propose is that Heavy is beefy enough to take the traincar falling on him after, since by that point Medic's stopped ubering him. I don't think that's beyond the pale considering Soldier (never considered as tough as Heavy) survives having his spine completely shattered in the Jungle Inferno video and is just fine like, a minute later or less. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/15/23 11:54:35 PM #41:	Scorpion with Charizard surrounding him in fire --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:977239628] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Scorpion with Charizard surrounding him in fire </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistaya 11/15/23 11:59:37 PM #42:	Considering this still, but my initial thought is to back up the Unite playerbase and say Snorlax is actually Red's best bullet sponge and can be a really good shield from Heavy's minigun if Red needs to keep him busy while the others do work. Marina would give him a bad time but only if he wants to run in on her, forcing her to come out and fight in the open instead takes her out of her comfortable defensive position and leaves her a lot more vulnerable to Lara and Scorpion. I don't think Red can afford to use Pikachu or Espeon here, he's too vulnerable without one of his bulky pokemon to hide behind. --- I've dodged these forums for 25 years, damn it. <cite>Mistaya posted [p:977239693] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Considering this still, but my initial thought is to back up the Unite playerbase and say Snorlax is actually Red's best bullet sponge and can be a really good shield from Heavy's minigun if Red needs to keep him busy while the others do work. Marina would give him a bad time but only if he wants to run in on her, forcing her to come out and fight in the open instead takes her out of her comfortable defensive position and leaves her a lot more vulnerable to Lara and Scorpion.I don't think Red can afford to use Pikachu or Espeon here, he's too vulnerable without one of his bulky pokemon to hide behind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 11/16/23 12:09:33 AM #43:	KamikazePotato posted... I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos. While I agree it's physically over-the-top... The gang blows up Atlantis and then Medic outsmarts the devil to give him seven extra lives. At the point where we start ignoring official fan contributions, we also have to start ignoring any community weapons that got promoted, maps that got promoted, and Vs Saxton Hale. And I don't have it in my heart to say that after it FINALLY got added as an official mode, Vs Saxton Hale isn't canon. I just can't do that. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:977239798] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>I'm gonna call this video into question, because Valve didn't make it. It's a community fan video that got upgraded to 'official' status because why not, saves the company work. Maybe that's enough to make things canon, but eh. Heavy tanking a train is more over-the-top than anything I would have expected from the comics or Valve-produced videos.</quote> While I agree it's physically over-the-top...The gang blows up Atlantis and then Medic outsmarts the devil to give him seven extra lives.At the point where we start ignoring official fan contributions, we also have to start ignoring any community weapons that got promoted, maps that got promoted, and Vs Saxton Hale. And I don't have it in my heart to say that after it FINALLY got added as an official mode, Vs Saxton Hale isn't canon. I just can't do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/16/23 12:18:21 AM #44:	On that note of ignoring what Medic has done, Medic can literally take someone who's been reduced to gibbets, create an energy field in their shape and have their scattered pieces reassemble themselves. That's the level of over the top TF2 works on. It is crazy. It's just how it is. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977239891] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>On that note of ignoring what Medic has done, Medic can literally take someone who's been reduced to gibbets, create an energy field in their shape and have their scattered pieces reassemble themselves. That's the level of over the top TF2 works on. It is crazy. It's just how it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 11/16/23 12:20:48 AM #45:	With that said, I do think the Ubercharge is doing most of the work in the aforementioned train clip. I don't think that a non-Heavy merc could've done the same deed, but I also think the uber is absolutely tremendous in power. I think Heavy can hold off a lot, but only if not in horrible pain and also his organs are all still inside of his body and not a splattered mess. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:977239913] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>With that said, I do think the Ubercharge is doing most of the work in the aforementioned train clip. I don't think that a non-Heavy merc could've done the same deed, but I also think the uber is absolutely tremendous in power. I think Heavy can hold off a lot, but only if not in horrible pain and also his organs are all still inside of his body and not a splattered mess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/16/23 12:31:56 AM #46:	I'm ready to bold it. Team Scorpion --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:977240032] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I'm ready to bold it.Team Scorpion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 11/16/23 12:40:16 AM #47:	I think Team Red ultimately wins out over Team BLU here, they have the firepower to take the biggest threat off the board. --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:977240117] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>I think Team Red ultimately wins out over Team BLU here, they have the firepower to take the biggest threat off the board. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 11/16/23 1:01:01 AM #48:	Not much thoughts on the match right now but just food for thought on iconic shooter mcshooters Lara vs Donut Drake who we got? --- https://imgur.com/a/LEqiW https://imgur.com/iXHxhET <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:977240311] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Not much thoughts on the match right now but just food for thought on iconic shooter mcshootersLara vs Donut Drake who we got? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/16/23 1:03:34 AM #49:	greengravy294 posted... Not much thoughts on the match right now but just food for thought on iconic shooter mcshooters Lara vs Donut Drake who we got? Lara in pure skills, probably. Drake has the better arsenal tho --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:977240333] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>greengravy294 posted... </cite><quote>Not much thoughts on the match right now but just food for thought on iconic shooter mcshootersLara vs Donut Drake who we got?</quote>Lara in pure skills, probably. Drake has the better arsenal tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistaya 11/16/23 1:07:05 AM #50:	Having had a lot of fun thoughts and discussions in discord I'm ready to declare Team Sylvando... and friends! I do think Pikachu can scout for Red (and survive the scouting, too. Pikachu's fast,) so I don't buy Heavy getting an ambush. But he also doesn't need one. Sustained fire is all he's gotta do to win here and he's great at it. Basically, the pokemon squad really needs to be able to land their debuffs and status effects to win this and as long as the power of smiles is on the other side, they won't stick. I have considered if/when Scorpion or Lara could get to Sylvando and it just doesn't seem likely with Marina running point and throwing Lara's arrows back at her, and Heavy laying down fire from a defensive position (while laughing). --- I've dodged these forums for 25 years, damn it. <cite>Mistaya posted [p:977240378] in ~FIGHT!~ L... [t:80621137]...</cite> <quote>Having had a lot of fun thoughts and discussions in discord I'm ready to declare Team Sylvando... and friends! I do think Pikachu can scout for Red (and survive the scouting, too. Pikachu's fast,) so I don't buy Heavy getting an ambush. But he also doesn't need one. Sustained fire is all he's gotta do to win here and he's great at it.Basically, the pokemon squad really needs to be able to land their debuffs and status effects to win this and as long as the power of smiles is on the other side, they won't stick. I have considered if/when Scorpion or Lara could get to Sylvando and it just doesn't seem likely with Marina running point and throwing Lara's arrows back at her, and Heavy laying down fire from a defensive position (while laughing). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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