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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 1:15:50 PM
#351:


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Hard to quantify when we may not be getting the full numbers. Remember that attack on Palestine in 2021?

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 1:16:29 PM
#352:


I guess what I'm getting at is comments like "Biden is commiting genocide" only serves to benefit Trump and the MAGAs because it's hyperbolic.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 1:18:54 PM
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I'm not downplaying genocide because it's hyperbolic to refer to this conflict as one. I can still disagree with it and acknowledge when the verbiage goes too far.

I'm still waiting on direct sources as well, like verified news articles at least.

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Zero_Destroyer
02/09/24 1:19:13 PM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20240122223526/https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/01/south-africa-israel-amalek-netanyahu/

Lawyers representing South Africa on Thursday said that Israeli soldiers interpreted a biblical reference made by Benjamin Netanyahu during a November speech to troops as a justification to kill Palestinians. The claim, which specifically called out Netanyahus invocation of Amalek as well as footage showing IDF soldiers chanting wipe off the seed of Amalek, was made during the first day of public hearings at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, where South Africa formally accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.
This refers to the biblical command by God to Saul for the retaliatory destruction of an entire group of people, Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, a member of South Africas legal team, said, Al Jazeera reports.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240101182009/https://www.newarab.com/analysis/erase-gaza-how-genocidal-rhetoric-normalised-israel

Nakba? Expel them all, Nissim Vaturi, deputy speaker for Israels parliament, said. If the Egyptians care so much for them - they are welcome to have them wrapped in cellophane tied with a green ribbon.

We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly, Israels Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, said, describing the Israeli militarys response just days after Hamas attack. We will eliminate everything - they will regret it, Gallant added.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240205231745/https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/middleeast/kamal-adwan-hospital-gaza-israel-abuse-allegations-intl-cmd/index.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20240206045355/https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/24/how-israel-has-destroyed-gazas-schools-and-universities

Hundreds of schools, including those run by the UN, in the besieged Palestinian enclave have been bombed, and students and teachers killed, in more than 100 days of Israeli bombardment that has ravaged educational infrastructure and caused mental trauma to thousands of beleaguered students.

Ninety percent of Palestinian Authority schools have been subject to direct or indirect damage. About 29 percent of school buildings are out of service after being demolished or severely damaged.

Israa University, located in the south of Gaza city, was demolished by Israeli forces, as evident from a video released by Israeli media on January 17. The university authorities said Israel occupied and used the campus as a military base and detention facility for months before destroying it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/jan/30/how-war-destroyed-gazas-neighbourhoods-visual-investigation

This entire article could probably be submitted as evidence of war crimes really, just backing up the stated intent of officials and further confirming the destruction of civilian infrastructure.

"Khan Younis refugee camp, home to 41,000 people in 2017, was established after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war to accommodate Palestinian refugees expelled from their homes. The camp, which hosts several UN buildings including a UNRWA school, took several hits and showed signs of damage."

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"Corey Scher and Jamon Van Den Hoek estimate that between 142,900 and 176,900 buildings had been damaged as of 17 January, which raises questions on how to rehabilitate Gaza when the war ends."

or just read the ICJ stuff and South Africa's ongoing court case against Israel or read the Palestine/Israel threads, idk. It sure is weird how Israeli cabinet officials are shadow quoting Himmler while they bomb cemeteries and greenhouses yet we are still pretending this is in any way "complicated"

This isn't an excuse for Hamas attacking civilians but can you genuinely say that attack has warranted tens of thousands of deaths, most of which involve civilians centers, where the officials conducting the attacks are telling the whole world that Palestinians are subhuman?

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Zero_Destroyer
02/09/24 1:22:04 PM
#358:


at best we're repeating Iraq, at worst we're complicit in a genocide

Obviously voting Trump does not improve this, but the point is that Biden should not support this any further than he has (or should step down entirely in favor of a primary) because otherwise Biden is going to lose Michigan since its Islamic population will flatly refuse to vote at all, giving us Trump anyway, and it would be completely absurd for Democratic operatives to lecture Muslims on how "it's complicated" and yet still expect anything resembling political support.

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 1:38:11 PM
#359:


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This is the most blatant hit job by a Special Counsel I've ever seen.

Hur couldn't find any actual wrongdoing by Biden in regards to the issue he was actually supposed to investigate, and instead, gave a completely unwarranted, unrelated, and unqualified evaluation of Biden's mental capacities, and based it entirely on 4 fucking instances in 15 hours of interviews.

And naturally, totally progressives like toothy and jocrazy are fucking eating it up.
I didn't eat it up at all. I said there were much better candidates than biden, even setting aside the alleged dementia. You people have a bad habit of lying about me and you've been doing it for years. It's no wonder I would get moderated with the horrific picture you'd paint of me. Stop with the character assassination, it's disgusting.

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 1:43:34 PM
#361:


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Given an incorrect context created by people like you.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 1:43:44 PM
#362:


It's weird how so many people have come to the same conclusion

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 1:45:13 PM
#363:


Will_VIIII posted...
It's weird how so many people have come to the same conclusion
Not hard when I've pissed people off by destroying their arguments. I see you're still denying genocide, by the way.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 1:48:11 PM
#365:


1337toothbrush posted...
Not hard when I've pissed people off by destroying their arguments. I see you're still denying genocide, by the way.
It's pretty apparent it's just been one person pissed off and I'm still waiting on a detailed, verified news article that supports its genocide and not simply part of the decades long conflict.

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 1:50:54 PM
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They look at the posts (which have been mass marked by people like you) and then to get context they'll look at the topic and see people I'm arguing with throwing heavy accusations and lies about me over and over and over again. Given the workload they have to deal with because of mass markers like you, I can see why they'd rely on whatever context they see localized there.

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Sandalorn
02/09/24 1:52:06 PM
#368:


1337toothbrush posted...
Not hard when I've pissed people off by destroying their arguments. I see you're still denying genocide, by the way.

The White Flag of Surrender has been waved. When you finally end up here...you've lost.

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animebop
02/09/24 1:52:47 PM
#370:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
at best we're repeating Iraq, at worst we're complicit in a genocide

Obviously voting Trump does not improve this, but the point is that Biden should not support this any further than he has (or should step down entirely in favor of a primary) because otherwise Biden is going to lose Michigan since its Islamic population will flatly refuse to vote at all, giving us Trump anyway, and it would be completely absurd for Democratic operatives to lecture Muslims on how "it's complicated" and yet still expect anything resembling political support.


  1. Palestine/Israel is complicated.
  2. What isn't complicated is that Trump is significantly more pro-Israel than Biden
  3. Muslims make up a small percent of Michigan and if Biden loses 1 non-muslim voter for each muslim voter he gains, there's no reason for him to push for their vote.
  4. There are other swing states where Muslims are not as influential.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 2:01:00 PM
#371:


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So I am caught up and while I still disagree with the actions of the Israeli government, Biden has been and continues to be vocal about it

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/09/biden-israel-gaza-war-hamas-netanyahu

And I can see why people think it's lip service but it's still no different than any previous administration as far as funding.

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 2:06:06 PM
#372:


Sandalorn posted...
The White Flag of Surrender has been waved. When you finally end up here...you've lost.
Thanks for admitting defeat.

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Look at you building that bullshit context just like I said you do. Thanks for proving my point.

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colliding
02/09/24 2:42:23 PM
#374:


If the biggest Biden defender in this topic also has to deny/downplay genocide, you know it's fucked

Biden for sure loses Michigan and Georgia. it's over

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HashtagSEP
02/09/24 3:21:06 PM
#375:


1337toothbrush posted...
They look at the posts (which have been mass marked by people like you) and then to get context they'll look at the topic and see people I'm arguing with throwing heavy accusations and lies about me over and over and over again. Given the workload they have to deal with because of mass markers like you, I can see why they'd rely on whatever context they see localized there.

Why do you always cry that it's never your fault? Are you really that incapable of controlling yourself when you post? Do you need supervision?

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Humble_Novice
02/09/24 3:24:21 PM
#376:


colliding posted...
If the biggest Biden defender in this topic also has to deny/downplay genocide, you know it's fucked

Biden for sure loses Michigan and Georgia. it's over
Some save a screenshot of this in case Biden wins those two states.

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hockeybabe89
02/09/24 3:24:51 PM
#377:


colliding posted...
If the biggest Biden defender in this topic also has to deny/downplay genocide, you know it's fucked

Biden for sure loses Michigan and Georgia. it's over
I'm sure Trump will be much less sympathetic towards Israel and definitely won't embolden the GOP to enact mass deportations, a national abortion ban, and the total annihilation of LGBTQ Americans

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 3:29:28 PM
#378:


hockeybabe89 posted...
I'm sure Trump will be much less sympathetic towards Israel and definitely won't embolden the GOP to enact mass deportations, a national abortion ban, and the total annihilation of LGBTQ Americans

/s
Pretty wild to think the GOP would be less of a warmongering party in any situation

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Rexdragon125
02/09/24 3:31:40 PM
#379:


Yeah, it's always rich when they bring up genocide. America's stance on Palestine has been the same for several administrations. And surely the guy who wants to be a dictator and uses Hitler speeches when he can form a coherent sentence will have a better stance.

It's like they're NPCs getting programmed from somewhere. It's all they can think about.
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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 3:42:20 PM
#380:


hockeybabe89 posted...
I'm sure Trump will be much less sympathetic towards Israel and definitely won't embolden the GOP to enact mass deportations, a national abortion ban, and the total annihilation of LGBTQ Americans

/s
So people aren't allowed to criticize the president for contributing to genocide? Something tells me if Biden was attacking trans people, you wouldn't be trying to shut down criticism of him with "but the other guy".

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02/09/24 3:44:46 PM
#381:


colliding posted...
If the biggest Biden defender in this topic also has to deny/downplay genocide, you know it's fucked

Biden for sure loses Michigan and Georgia. it's over
Go back to /pol/

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 3:45:07 PM
#382:


1337toothbrush posted...
So people aren't allowed to criticize the president for contributing to genocide? Something tells me if Biden was attacking trans people, you wouldn't be trying to shut down criticism of him with "but the other guy".
Oh we're into hypothetical whataboutism territory now

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Rexdragon125
02/09/24 3:52:53 PM
#383:


colliding posted...
If the biggest Biden defender in this topic also has to deny/downplay genocide, you know it's fucked

1337toothbrush posted...
So people aren't allowed to criticize the president for contributing to genocide? Something tells me if Biden was attacking trans people, you wouldn't be trying to shut down criticism of him with "but the other guy".
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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
02/09/24 4:23:16 PM
#384:


1337toothbrush posted...
So people aren't allowed to criticize the president for contributing to genocide? Something tells me if Biden was attacking trans people, you wouldn't be trying to shut down criticism of him with "but the other guy".

It's almost like context matters. If you were comparing Biden to a viable democratic candidate with a better approach to Palestine that's fair. But that's never your M.O.

You just openly shit on Biden for shit his actual opponent is by far worse on, and literally never give Biden credit for the stuff he is doing great on.

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1337toothbrush
02/09/24 4:39:13 PM
#385:


Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...
It's almost like context matters. If you were comparing Biden to a viable democratic candidate with a better approach to Palestine that's fair. But that's never your M.O.

You just openly shit on Biden for shit his actual opponent is by far worse on, and literally never give Biden credit for the stuff he is doing great on.
Bernie is better on this issue, but democrats fought harder to stop Bernie (twice) than they ever fought against Trump.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 4:40:47 PM
#386:


1337toothbrush posted...
democrats fought harder to stop Bernie (twice) than they ever fought against Trump.

This is just laughable and untrue. I voted for Bernie in the primary as well.

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02/09/24 5:00:15 PM
#388:


Obviously Trump is worse than Biden. Obviously he'll be more pro-Israel, worse for the environment, worse for women, poor people etc, etc.

I acknowledge that some Biden critics are Trumpers in disguise. Not me, and not other left of centers. We are not celebrating Biden being a bad candidate.

The reason we're so critical of Biden is because we want the party that we volunteered for and voted for to be better. We see the writing on the wall. It's frustrating when all that people have to say is "duh trump is worse." As though it was that simple.

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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
02/09/24 5:02:21 PM
#389:


1337toothbrush posted...
Bernie

I said a viable Democrat. Not one who twice couldn't manage to put together a campaign team capable of understanding the basics of how a primary operates.

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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
02/09/24 5:03:55 PM
#390:


colliding posted...
The reason we're so critical of Biden is because we want the party that we volunteered for and voted for to be better. We see the writing on the wall. It's frustrating when all that people have to say is "duh trump is worse." As though it was that simple.

Perhaps you should also try showing up when that party does do good. I'm not familiar with you as I am toothy, but toothy literally just shits on Dems and never acknowledges, let alone celebrates, their accomplishments.

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andel
02/09/24 5:06:31 PM
#391:


tc has been attacking democrats and caping for trump for years

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Zero_Destroyer
02/09/24 5:20:47 PM
#392:


colliding posted...
Obviously Trump is worse than Biden. Obviously he'll be more pro-Israel, worse for the environment, worse for women, poor people etc, etc.

I acknowledge that some Biden critics are Trumpers in disguise. Not me, and not other left of centers. We are not celebrating Biden being a bad candidate.

The reason we're so critical of Biden is because we want the party that we volunteered for and voted for to be better. We see the writing on the wall. It's frustrating when all that people have to say is "duh trump is worse." As though it was that simple.

This is my issue, ftr. I've been very annoyed that I can post actual objective inarguable proof of how bad Biden is polling versus Trump and it gets handwaved with 'but 2022' as if no pollsters anywhere got it right. There is a major component of Dems right now that are not accepting things for how they are. Does this mean Trump wins by default? No, Biden's numbers could improve, Trump could get convicted, whatever. But I think there is this vast overconfidence that data doesn't support.

Biden's age is a part of this and his handling of Gaza is another that hurts him specifically with younger voters who will simply abstain and the trend towards lecturing people on how Trump will obviously be worse misses the point when we're months and months out from the convention proper.

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Cemith
02/09/24 5:36:37 PM
#393:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
This is my issue, ftr. I've been very annoyed that I can post actual objective inarguable proof of how bad Biden is polling versus Trump and it gets handwaved with 'but 2022' as if no pollsters anywhere got it right.

The reason I give people shit is they use Gaza and Biden's mistakes as a justification for abstaining, or as a smokescreen for Trumpism.

Like, everyone knows Biden has issues. I don't speak for everyone but I'm confident in saying most everyone would rather vote in a moldy sandwich over Biden, but when the alternative is the end of rights as we know it, it's not like there's a better choice.

You aren't telling us shit we don't already know. But when people use it as an excuse, it's just so nakedly stupid. Oh you care so much about the genocide in Gaza that you're cool enabling a domestic one of LGBT people.

Just self righteousness. It's a non-sequiter.

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Will_VIIII
02/09/24 5:36:43 PM
#394:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
This is my issue, ftr. I've been very annoyed that I can post actual objective inarguable proof of how bad Biden is polling versus Trump and it gets handwaved with 'but 2022' as if no pollsters anywhere got it right. There is a major component of Dems right now that are not accepting things for how they are. Does this mean Trump wins by default? No, Biden's numbers could improve, Trump could get convicted, whatever. But I think there is this vast overconfidence that data doesn't support.

Biden's age is a part of this and his handling of Gaza is another that hurts him specifically with younger voters who will simply abstain and the trend towards lecturing people on how Trump will obviously be worse misses the point when we're months and months out from the convention proper.
The polling is questionable though (not saying the ones you've shared in the past) because they often do not account for younger generations and are often still landlines or something along that.

And it wasn't just 2022 where the polling fell on its face, local and state level elections for 2023 played out similarly.

And lastly, a lot of the recent polls that show Trump with a lead also state the lead is with the percentage margin of error.

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02/09/24 5:54:32 PM
#395:


Will_VIIII posted...
I guess what I'm getting at is comments like "Biden is commiting genocide" only serves to benefit Trump and the MAGAs because it's hyperbolic.
That's precisely why these comments are being made that way.

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animebop
02/09/24 6:05:21 PM
#396:


Cemith posted...
You aren't telling us s*** we don't already know. But when people use it as an excuse, it's just so nakedly stupid. Oh you care so much about the genocide in Gaza that you're cool enabling a domestic one of LGBT people.

Trump is much more pro Israel. It's oh you care so much about the genocide in Gaza that you're going to just sit there and let it get worse so that you can moral grandstand.

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mybbqrules
02/09/24 6:05:41 PM
#397:


Will_VIIII posted...
No, I don't necessarily agree with the action of the Biden administration here but it's another thing to claim it's a genocide which would be indiscriminate killing based on ethnicity, creed etc.

Alternatively, if the administration did nothing I would suspect the same people would complain that Biden is allowing genocide to happen.

Seems to be a dammed if you do dammed if you don't situation.
Plus everyone forgets the simple fact that Trump would be doing the exact same thing, but most likely in a worse and far more embarrassing way.

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02/09/24 6:40:06 PM
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I don't think it's wrong for people to have a principled take of "I'm not voting for Biden because of his handling of Palestine." Even though not voting for Biden is worse for LGBT individuals, women, the environment... everything. The administration is supporting Israel as it mass murders innocent people. I know that Trump would've done the same or worse, but that doesn't mean it's fine that the Democratic President did it too. Voters shouldn't have to be told to stomach genocide (and it is genocide but I won't do your homework for you) for the greater good.

If you have to ignore genocide for the survival of people at home, the country's already lost. Call it moral grandstanding, or call it pearl clutching, if you want but I'm sorry.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is one thing, but when the lesser of two evils still supports mass murder, sorry, I'm not with you.

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Humble_Novice
02/09/24 7:22:47 PM
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Cemith
02/09/24 7:30:02 PM
#400:


colliding posted...
but that doesn't mean it's fine that the Democratic President did it too.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but if this is implying that lefties are on board with Biden's inaction in Gaza, that's just wrong. Loud incumbents and idiots like Pelosi think Israel is in the right, but I guarantee most aren't okay with it. No one in their right mind condones the genocide. They just understand Trump will be Biden for Gaza and the US.

colliding posted...
If you have to ignore genocide for the survival of people at home, the country's already lost.

The country is only lost when we stop trying to improve it imo. If you decide not to vote, you are part of the problem. Full stop.

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