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XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX 02/12/24 9:33:03 AM #102:	CSCA33 posted... From your website that purports to be nonpartisan and presents "pros" and "cons" ostensibly to foster critical thinking - on gay marriage: Christ, thats vile. Like pretty much every other conservative group it's rooted in hate all the way down. When someone calls that the "middle ground", you know they're beyond talking to. --- AND THIS. IS TO POST. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!! I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer for all living things that cry out to post! <cite>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted [p:978800147] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>From your website that purports to be nonpartisan and presents "pros" and "cons" ostensibly to foster critical thinking -on gay marriage:</quote>Christ, thats vile. Like pretty much every other conservative group it's rooted in hate all the way down. When someone calls that the "middle ground", you know they're beyond talking to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 02/12/24 9:36:36 AM #103:	That katanablade person is antivax, looking at their post history <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978800184] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>That katanablade person is antivax, looking at their post history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 02/12/24 9:38:06 AM #104:	XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted... Christ, thats vile. Like pretty much every other conservative group it's rooted in hate all the way down. When someone calls that the "middle ground", you know they're beyond talking to. Is this a xXxCroNoxXx/XxPika740xX alt account? --- Dumpy Trumpy: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>ooger posted [p:978800199] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted... </cite><quote>Christ, thats vile. Like pretty much every other conservative group it's rooted in hate all the way down. When someone calls that the "middle ground", you know they're beyond talking to.</quote>Is this a xXxCroNoxXx/XxPika740xX alt account? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX 02/12/24 9:47:20 AM #105:	ooger posted... Is this a xXxCroNoxXx/XxPika740xX alt account? no, I just wanted to make the most 2000 era AIM username possible and this is what I landed on --- AND THIS. IS TO POST. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!! I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer for all living things that cry out to post! <cite>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted [p:978800318] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>ooger posted... </cite><quote>Is this a xXxCroNoxXx/XxPika740xX alt account?</quote>no, I just wanted to make the most 2000 era AIM username possible and this is what I landed on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 9:54:28 AM #106:	Katanablade posted... I totally agree, they are not the same thing. If you are allowed to immigrate to another country (especially one that will give you better quality of life), then that is a great privilege, its not a right, its a privilege. To be allowed to immigrate to another country, but then within days or weeks of being there you commit some really atrocious crime, you are biting the hand that feeds you. If you abuse or shit on a privilege, its not unfair if it gets taken away from you. Why should a country carry on welcoming you into its country if all you wanna do is be a social cancer to it? But then why is it not equally worse for a born citizen to be committing those atrocious crimes? Maybe there is no place to deport a born citizen gone bad to, but the problem with opposition to immigration is it acting like only outsiders are capable of causing problems or that is to say giving born citizens a pass in comparison. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978800414] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>I totally agree, they are not the same thing.If you are allowed to immigrate to another country (especially one that will give you better quality of life), then that is a great privilege, its not a right, its a privilege. To be allowed to immigrate to another country, but then within days or weeks of being there you commit some really atrocious crime, you are biting the hand that feeds you. If you abuse or shit on a privilege, its not unfair if it gets taken away from you. Why should a country carry on welcoming you into its country if all you wanna do is be a social cancer to it?</quote>But then why is it not equally worse for a born citizen to be committing those atrocious crimes?Maybe there is no place to deport a born citizen gone bad to, but the problem with opposition to immigration is it acting like only outsiders are capable of causing problems or that is to say giving born citizens a pass in comparison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 9:58:13 AM #107:	I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground as possible expects it to contain nothing but ethical stances they wholeheartedly agree with. It does things like addresses the pro's and cons of legalising sex work/prostitution ect and lets both sides speak on it. And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities. Vegans see killing animals for food as an abomination, meat eaters dont, so they are never going to see eye to eye on the issue. Militant vegans say things like "i love the way people say i am a nasty horrible person for attacking people for choosing to eat meat. Who would you really say is the evilest person?, people that keep funding an industry that tortures exploits and murders innocent animals because of their taste pleasures, or someone like me who abstains from doing that, but sometimes when i address this atrocity to them, i say some horrible nasty things sometimes?" People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities. <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978800467] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground as possible expects it to contain nothing but ethical stances they wholeheartedly agree with.It does things like addresses the pro's and cons of legalising sex work/prostitution ect and lets both sides speak on it.And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities. Vegans see killing animals for food as an abomination, meat eaters dont, so they are never going to see eye to eye on the issue. Militant vegans say things like "i love the way people say i am a nasty horrible person for attacking people for choosing to eat meat. Who would you really say is the evilest person?, people that keep funding an industry that tortures exploits and murders innocent animals because of their taste pleasures, or someone like me who abstains from doing that, but sometimes when i address this atrocity to them, i say some horrible nasty things sometimes?"People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 10:01:14 AM #108:	Antiyonder posted... But then why is it not equally worse for a born citizen to be committing those atrocious crimes? Countries will give more rights to people that were born in that country, its just the way it is Maybe there is no place to deport a born citizen gone bad to, but the problem with opposition to immigration is it acting like only outsiders are capable of causing problems or that is to say giving born citizens a pass in comparison. You dont hear of many british born people (if any) going around the streets of the UK unprovokingly throwing acid or alkaline over a woman and her children, like an asylum seeker did recently. So yes, some crimes and atrocities are unique with them <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978800505] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Antiyonder posted... </cite><quote>But then why is it not equally worse for a born citizen to be committing those atrocious crimes?</quote>Countries will give more rights to people that were born in that country, its just the way it is<quote>Maybe there is no place to deport a born citizen gone bad to, but the problem with opposition to immigration is it acting like only outsiders are capable of causing problems or that is to say giving born citizens a pass in comparison.</quote>You dont hear of many british born people (if any) going around the streets of the UK unprovokingly throwing acid or alkaline over a woman and her children, like an asylum seeker did recently. So yes, some crimes and atrocities are unique with them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 02/12/24 10:02:04 AM #109:	XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted... no, I just wanted to make the most 2000 era AIM username possible and this is what I landed on If you could put song lyrics in your status message, which would you use? --- Dumpy Trumpy: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>ooger posted [p:978800512] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted... </cite><quote>no, I just wanted to make the most 2000 era AIM username possible and this is what I landed on</quote>If you could put song lyrics in your status message, which would you use? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 02/12/24 10:02:35 AM #110:	Katanablade posted... I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground as possible expects it to contain nothing but ethical stances they wholeheartedly agree with. It does things like addresses the pro's and cons of legalising sex work/prostitution ect and lets both sides speak on it. And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities. Vegans see killing animals for food as an abomination, meat eaters dont, so they are never going to see eye to eye on the issue. Militant vegans say things like "i love the way people say i am a nasty horrible person for attacking people for choosing to eat meat. Who would you really say is the evilest person?, people that keep funding an industry that tortures exploits and murders innocent animals because of their taste pleasures, or someone like me who abstains from doing that, but sometimes when i address this atrocity to them, i say some horrible nasty things sometimes?" People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities. Katanablade, do you think it is appropriate to debate the pros and cons of The Holocaust? If not, why would that be? (My stance being that it is not appropriate) --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978800524] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground as possible expects it to contain nothing but ethical stances they wholeheartedly agree with.It does things like addresses the pro's and cons of legalising sex work/prostitution ect and lets both sides speak on it.And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities. Vegans see killing animals for food as an abomination, meat eaters dont, so they are never going to see eye to eye on the issue. Militant vegans say things like "i love the way people say i am a nasty horrible person for attacking people for choosing to eat meat. Who would you really say is the evilest person?, people that keep funding an industry that tortures exploits and murders innocent animals because of their taste pleasures, or someone like me who abstains from doing that, but sometimes when i address this atrocity to them, i say some horrible nasty things sometimes?"People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities.</quote>Katanablade, do you think it is appropriate to debate the pros and cons of The Holocaust? If not, why would that be?(My stance being that it is not appropriate) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 02/12/24 10:05:01 AM #111:	@Katanablade are you greenmist01 on the deathmatch subreddit? Your anti vax and militant "centrist" posting suggest so <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978800563] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>@Katanablade are you greenmist01 on the deathmatch subreddit? Your anti vax and militant "centrist" posting suggest so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 02/12/24 10:07:42 AM #113:	Katanablade posted... People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities. This is categorically not true. Fetuses are alive, they're just not a life worth caring about more than a woman's reproductive rights. The fact that you've done the very thing you accuse pro-choice people of doing is comical --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:978800604] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>People with pro choice views of course totally dismiss the idea that an unborn baby is valid life at all, so therefore no violation of human rights is being committed, so because of that they will never recognise any merit in the pro life stance and will make arguments to the pro life stances according to their own sensibilities.</quote>This is categorically not true. Fetuses are alive, they're just not a life worth caring about more than a woman's reproductive rights. The fact that you've done the very thing you accuse pro-choice people of doing is comical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 02/12/24 10:11:39 AM #114:	IceCreamOnStero posted... This is categorically not true. Fetuses are alive, they're just not a life worth caring about more than a woman's reproductive rights. The fact that you've done the very thing you accuse pro-choice people of doing is comical Looks like he tripped and fell on his katana with that one, metaphorically speaking --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978800659] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>IceCreamOnStero posted... </cite><quote>This is categorically not true. Fetuses are alive, they're just not a life worth caring about more than a woman's reproductive rights. The fact that you've done the very thing you accuse pro-choice people of doing is comical</quote>Looks like he tripped and fell on his katana with that one, metaphorically speaking </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 10:13:51 AM #115:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] But vegans would argue to that and say "but your dietary choices are coming at the expenses of other living sentient beings" <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978800693] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> But vegans would argue to that and say "but your dietary choices are coming at the expenses of other living sentient beings"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 10:14:15 AM #116:	Katanablade posted... There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights" 1. At the very least, shouldn't birth control be 100% accessible/available so that a person isn't conceiving a life they don't want to raise? 2. Even if I agreed in the idea of it being moral to force everyone to produce a kid before their passing, the anti-abortion side and such don't seem to have an answer for women who are raped. I would hope victim blaming isn't the response to such. 3. And another reason why those against who even neutral are hard to regard in good faith is lack of concern or focus on children who are born into broken/neglect environments cause yeah basically gambling that they may survive to adulthood long enough to sow their oats. If you (rhetorically speaking, I hope) don't see a homeless or neglected kid worth equal concern, it calls into question if abortion stances are for rightful reasons or well cause women have the sole obligation to make babies. And if one's concern is natural order and all that.... 4. Yeah that's why I don't trust the opposition to gay marriages on the grounds of it being unnatural. When one is unwilling to shun modern conveniences in the same fashion that the Amish do or more, then why should procreation still be demanded on those grounds? --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978800701] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"</quote>1. At the very least, shouldn't birth control be 100% accessible/available so that a person isn't conceiving a life they don't want to raise?2. Even if I agreed in the idea of it being moral to force everyone to produce a kid before their passing, the anti-abortion side and such don't seem to have an answer for women who are raped.I would hope victim blaming isn't the response to such.3. And another reason why those against who even neutral are hard to regard in good faith is lack of concern or focus on children who are born into broken/neglect environments cause yeah basically gambling that they may survive to adulthood long enough to sow their oats.If you (rhetorically speaking, I hope) don't see a homeless or neglected kid worth equal concern, it calls into question if abortion stances are for rightful reasons or well cause women have the sole obligation to make babies.And if one's concern is natural order and all that....4. Yeah that's why I don't trust the opposition to gay marriages on the grounds of it being unnatural. When one is unwilling to shun modern conveniences in the same fashion that the Amish do or more, then why should procreation still be demanded on those grounds? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 02/12/24 10:16:51 AM #117:	BunkerBoy posted... @Katanablade are you greenmist01 on the deathmatch subreddit? Your anti vax and militant "centrist" posting suggest so <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978800746] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>BunkerBoy posted... </cite><quote>@Katanablade are you greenmist01 on the deathmatch subreddit? Your anti vax and militant "centrist" posting suggest so</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 10:25:58 AM #118:	Katanablade posted... You dont hear of many british born people (if any) going around the streets of the UK unprovokingly throwing acid or alkaline over a woman and her children, like an asylum seeker did recently. So yes, some crimes and atrocities are unique with them Perhaps, but then: Countries will give more rights to people that were born in that country, its just the way it is So should interracial marriages go back to being illegal since that's just the way it was for a long time (especially Alabama not waving said law until 2000)? Yeah if a person gets a pass cause of status, how is that not seen as immoral? Just feels like a variation of a cop viewing crimes committed by a black person as worse than a white person committing them. Edit: And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities. That's the thing though you speak of the site highly cause of the middle ground while acting as if say Freedom of Speech and Ideas should be absolute, but: 1. Either as formalities or rules we are taught not to interupt our elders or peers just cause, as well as keeping silent in environments like when there is a public speaker or in libraries. But no one would deem it immoral to break those rules if there is an emergency going on? 2. If we should be cautious about thought policing, then why is identity policing like say racism not given the same concern? Cause at the very least no one disputes the idea of a person's race being beyond control, right? 3. And yeah just treating bigotry in general like an opinion, as if it's akin to hating particular sodas, movies or pizza toppings. Kind of like saying concerns of bigotry and victims are trivial. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978800868] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>You dont hear of many british born people (if any) going around the streets of the UK unprovokingly throwing acid or alkaline over a woman and her children, like an asylum seeker did recently. So yes, some crimes and atrocities are unique with them</quote>Perhaps, but then:<quote>Countries will give more rights to people that were born in that country, its just the way it is</quote>So should interracial marriages go back to being illegal since that's just the way it was for a long time (especially Alabama not waving said law until 2000)?Yeah if a person gets a pass cause of status, how is that not seen as immoral? Just feels like a variation of a cop viewing crimes committed by a black person as worse than a white person committing them.Edit:<quote>And those that are saying "there is no middle ground on abortion", they are doing exactly what militant vegans do, just come back with rhetorics that just appeals to their own sensibilities.</quote>That's the thing though you speak of the site highly cause of the middle ground while acting as if say Freedom of Speech and Ideas should be absolute, but:1. Either as formalities or rules we are taught not to interupt our elders or peers just cause, as well as keeping silent in environments like when there is a public speaker or in libraries.But no one would deem it immoral to break those rules if there is an emergency going on?2. If we should be cautious about thought policing, then why is identity policing like say racism not given the same concern?Cause at the very least no one disputes the idea of a person's race being beyond control, right?3. And yeah just treating bigotry in general like an opinion, as if it's akin to hating particular sodas, movies or pizza toppings. Kind of like saying concerns of bigotry and victims are trivial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SayHeyyShohei 02/12/24 10:36:23 AM #119:	Katanablade posted... I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground I love the way that you unironically believe this. --- Welcome to the Twilight Zone <cite>SayHeyyShohei posted [p:978801043] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>I love the way people think that a website that is intended to be as middle ground</quote>I love the way that you unironically believe this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Katanablade 02/12/24 10:39:24 AM #121:	CSCA33 posted... From your website that purports to be nonpartisan and presents "pros" and "cons" ostensibly to foster critical thinking - on gay marriage: This is hate speech dude, dressed up as legitimate debate points Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please? <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978801079] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>From your website that purports to be nonpartisan and presents "pros" and "cons" ostensibly to foster critical thinking -on gay marriage:This is hate speech dude, dressed up as legitimate debate points</quote>Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SayHeyyShohei 02/12/24 10:39:43 AM #122:	Katanablade posted... Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please? CSCA33 posted... do you think it is appropriate to debate the pros and cons of The Holocaust? If not, why would that be? --- Welcome to the Twilight Zone <cite>SayHeyyShohei posted [p:978801085] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please?</quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>do you think it is appropriate to debate the pros and cons of The Holocaust? If not, why would that be?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/12/24 10:45:30 AM #123:	Lol at claiming hate speech is the 'middle ground' --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:978801155] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Lol at claiming hate speech is the 'middle ground' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 10:46:02 AM #124:	Antiyonder posted... Perhaps, but then: So should interracial marriages go back to being illegal since that's just the way it was for a long time (especially Alabama not waving said law until 2000)? Yeah if a person gets a pass cause of status, how is that not seen as immoral? Just feels like a variation of a cop viewing crimes committed by a black person as worse than a white person committing them. Dont ask me to be a spokes person for my countries government or the american government and make an argument for them. All i was doing was just pointing out a fact, not trying to argue for it. Countries do give their own people more rights than those who emigrate to here. This is why those born here who commit absolutely atrocious crimes will not be deported to another country as a punishment, they will just be imprisoned or executed for it. And as im not against interracial marriage, im making no argument against what you said in your last paragraph <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978801163] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Antiyonder posted... </cite><quote>Perhaps, but then:So should interracial marriages go back to being illegal since that's just the way it was for a long time (especially Alabama not waving said law until 2000)?Yeah if a person gets a pass cause of status, how is that not seen as immoral? Just feels like a variation of a cop viewing crimes committed by a black person as worse than a white person committing them.</quote>Dont ask me to be a spokes person for my countries government or the american government and make an argument for them.All i was doing was just pointing out a fact, not trying to argue for it. Countries do give their own people more rights than those who emigrate to here. This is why those born here who commit absolutely atrocious crimes will not be deported to another country as a punishment, they will just be imprisoned or executed for it. And as im not against interracial marriage, im making no argument against what you said in your last paragraph</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 10:59:16 AM #125:	If Procon.org is not even addressing the holocaust, and is not allowing any stances on the subject that defend it, why do we even have to address it?. And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978801323] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>If Procon.org is not even addressing the holocaust, and is not allowing any stances on the subject that defend it, why do we even have to address it?.And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deej 02/12/24 11:04:03 AM #126:	Nice middle ground lmao --- Hey, everyone, what's going on in this topic? Oh. <cite>Deej posted [p:978801389] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Nice middle ground lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 11:04:12 AM #127:	Funkydog posted... Lol at claiming hate speech is the 'middle ground' The site is offering itself as a parley, that's why it allows BOTH sides to speak on subjects. Its called Procon.org, not Leftwing.org <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978801393] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite><quote>Lol at claiming hate speech is the 'middle ground'</quote>The site is offering itself as a parley, that's why it allows BOTH sides to speak on subjects. Its called Procon.org, not Leftwing.org</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 02/12/24 11:05:48 AM #128:	Katanablade posted... If Procon.org is not even addressing the holocaust, and is not allowing any stances on the subject that defend it, why do we even have to address it?. And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said The point is to demonstrate that website is presenting bigotry and harmful content as if it should be allowed a seat at the table as a valid viewpoint. It implicitly affords legitimacy to hate while claiming to be neutral and nonpartisan. On the topic of gay marriage, another facet is that there was no forcing anyone to engage in gay marriage. When people have religious objections to it, they are free to abstain from gay marriage. That doesn't mean they get to impose their religious belief on the rest of the country. The context of how those debate points are presented does not take any of that into account. It's not promoting critical thinking. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978801411] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>If Procon.org is not even addressing the holocaust, and is not allowing any stances on the subject that defend it, why do we even have to address it?.And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said</quote>The point is to demonstrate that website is presenting bigotry and harmful content as if it should be allowed a seat at the table as a valid viewpoint. It implicitly affords legitimacy to hate while claiming to be neutral and nonpartisan.On the topic of gay marriage, another facet is that there was no forcing anyone to engage in gay marriage. When people have religious objections to it, they are free to abstain from gay marriage. That doesn't mean they get to impose their religious belief on the rest of the country. The context of how those debate points are presented does not take any of that into account. It's not promoting critical thinking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scardude 02/12/24 11:15:41 AM #129:	To point out to others if procon is a reliable source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/ It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable. --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:978801556] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>To point out to others if procon is a reliable source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 11:19:19 AM #130:	Katanablade posted... And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said Yet you showed up in thread to trash people for not being as enlightened or wise like yourself for your middle ground If you aren't willing to discuss matters, then it just seemed like your earliest post was just antagonizing us for the sake of it. At any rate posting the rest of this as your more recent comment wasn't up. Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please? Haven't seen the site, but the cons are why again good faith to opposition of gay marriage is difficult. Requoting the cons: Con 5 Gay marriage is contrary to the word of God and is incompatible with the beliefs, sacred texts, and traditions of many religious groups. Con 6 Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and, therefore, same sex marriage is immoral and unnatural. 1. Just recap relating to Con 6 as I covered it, embracing modern conveniences and such while singling out gay marriage for being wrong cause it's unnatural just seems to be more of an excuse. I mean some like the previous generation would say television and vehicles make us soft and weak, but I don't see those being banned, ever. Plus it's funny. Gay marriage is wrong cause it's unnatural, but you bring up how other creatures don't have that hang up and the response "Being natural doesn't mean it's good". 2. Con 5, keep in mind I am a Christian. Problem with playing the religious card: A. It then makes one seem like they are unwilling to compromise on the rules if religion is THE reason. But how many people in this camp strictly follow their own religious rules? I'm talking less of occasional slip ups and more of say regular vices one has no intent to drop anytime soon. Though again people who cite religion tend to downplay their own capability of sin to act as if they are flawless. If all rules of decency have to be abided by and no exception, well it would be incredibly dickish to veto gay marriages while indulging in movies, shows and books that contain even the slightest profanity. B. Yeah those reported cases of a Christian baker acting appalled to serve in a gay wedding? Would they at least refuse service to a hetero couple where one or both were divorces to other spouses? Or to look at other religions, if a Hindu baker refused to serve cake to someone cause they hate eating meat, would said baker get the same praise from Christians who believe in the right to refuse gay customers? Even if yes, there would probably be some behind their back ridicule. And yeah it's why it's hard to respect those claiming their opposition is due to religion and those who hear said argument and taking it at face value too easily. Even with willingness to assume good faith, I think it's at least a recognized fact that a person claiming to oppose something on religious ground isn't always sincere or sound. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978801603] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>And Antiyonder, i am not interested in having any debates with you on what subjects Procon.org is addressing and saying, thats not the reason i mentioned it. Im not being a spokes person for what other people have said</quote>Yet you showed up in thread to trash people for not being as enlightened or wise like yourself for your middle groundIf you aren't willing to discuss matters, then it just seemed like your earliest post was just antagonizing us for the sake of it.At any rate posting the rest of this as your more recent comment wasn't up.<quote>Now please copy and paste everything that is written under "pro's" about gay marriage thats from that same website please?</quote>Haven't seen the site, but the cons are why again good faith to opposition of gay marriage is difficult.Requoting the cons:<quote>Con 5Gay marriage is contrary to the word of God and is incompatible with the beliefs, sacred texts, and traditions of many religious groups.Con 6Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and, therefore, same sex marriage is immoral and unnatural.</quote>1. Just recap relating to Con 6 as I covered it, embracing modern conveniences and such while singling out gay marriage for being wrong cause it's unnatural just seems to be more of an excuse.I mean some like the previous generation would say television and vehicles make us soft and weak, but I don't see those being banned, ever.Plus it's funny. Gay marriage is wrong cause it's unnatural, but you bring up how other creatures don't have that hang up and the response "Being natural doesn't mean it's good".2. Con 5, keep in mind I am a Christian. Problem with playing the religious card:A. It then makes one seem like they are unwilling to compromise on the rules if religion is THE reason. But how many people in this camp strictly follow their own religious rules?I'm talking less of occasional slip ups and more of say regular vices one has no intent to drop anytime soon. Though again people who cite religion tend to downplay their own capability of sin to act as if they are flawless.If all rules of decency have to be abided by and no exception, well it would be incredibly dickish to veto gay marriages while indulging in movies, shows and books that contain even the slightest profanity.B. Yeah those reported cases of a Christian baker acting appalled to serve in a gay wedding? Would they at least refuse service to a hetero couple where one or both were divorces to other spouses?Or to look at other religions, if a Hindu baker refused to serve cake to someone cause they hate eating meat, would said baker get the same praise from Christians who believe in the right to refuse gay customers?Even if yes, there would probably be some behind their back ridicule.And yeah it's why it's hard to respect those claiming their opposition is due to religion and those who hear said argument and taking it at face value too easily.Even with willingness to assume good faith, I think it's at least a recognized fact that a person claiming to oppose something on religious ground isn't always sincere or sound. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 02/12/24 11:19:38 AM #131:	This is katanablade aka greenmist The responses he's getting are feeding into his victim complex https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9397737e.jpg <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978801608] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>This is katanablade aka greenmist The responses he's getting are feeding into his victim complex https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9397737e.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Katanablade 02/12/24 11:20:17 AM #132:	Scardude posted... To point out to others if procon is a reliable source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/ It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable. The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you <cite>Katanablade posted [p:978801616] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Scardude posted... </cite><quote>To point out to others if procon is a reliable source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable.</quote>The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 02/12/24 11:24:07 AM #133:	And the takeaway there is anti-LGBT+ sentiment is more socially acceptable than debating the holocaust. Katanablade posted... The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you It's not a strawman, it's to encourage you to think critically. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978801682] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>And the takeaway there is anti-LGBT+ sentiment is more socially acceptable than debating the holocaust.Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you</quote>It's not a strawman, it's to encourage you to think critically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scardude 02/12/24 11:24:34 AM #134:	Katanablade posted... The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you That was more an aftermath statement on part. I wasn't implying that the site had it. I don't identify as a woman and therefore have no stake in the issue for abortion. What do you identify as? --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:978801692] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Katanablade posted... </cite><quote>The holocaust is not up for discussion or debate on that site (ive had a look) so stop mentioning it, as thats strawmanning. Well, your entitled to your view on abortion, im not gonna debate with you</quote>That was more an aftermath statement on part. I wasn't implying that the site had it. I don't identify as a woman and therefore have no stake in the issue for abortion. What do you identify as? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antiyonder 02/12/24 11:32:06 AM #136:	CSCA33 posted... And the takeaway there is anti-LGBT sentiment is more socially acceptable than debating the holocaust. And a major reason I don't feel like Anti-LGBT sentiments need to be respect besides well what I said on bigotry not being akin to food or entertainment preferences? In the first place like many who are Pro, back when I started giving my take in the 2000s, I was more than eager to take the calm approach to voicing my take. Not even a "subtle" insult. But even when one conceded a particular argument to not hold water the response boils down to "Well.... It's still wrong so there". And just the lack of anyone willing to stick out a debate. Sorry, not sorry in regards to those against. If banning LGBTQ+ rights are so important especially on behalf of God and countless kids, it should be worth straining one's mind and fingers to make the strongest airtight argument possible. Their opinion isn't worth the time and effort in their minds, so why should we have to respect them? Have to respect yourself first. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978801820] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>And the takeaway there is anti-LGBT sentiment is more socially acceptable than debating the holocaust.</quote>And a major reason I don't feel like Anti-LGBT sentiments need to be respect besides well what I said on bigotry not being akin to food or entertainment preferences?In the first place like many who are Pro, back when I started giving my take in the 2000s, I was more than eager to take the calm approach to voicing my take. Not even a "subtle" insult.But even when one conceded a particular argument to not hold water the response boils down to "Well.... It's still wrong so there". And just the lack of anyone willing to stick out a debate.Sorry, not sorry in regards to those against. If banning LGBTQ+ rights are so important especially on behalf of God and countless kids, it should be worth straining one's mind and fingers to make the strongest airtight argument possible.Their opinion isn't worth the time and effort in their minds, so why should we have to respect them? Have to respect yourself first. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scardude 02/12/24 11:36:50 AM #137:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Did you just ignore my post fact checking this or what? --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:978801902] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Did you just ignore my post fact checking this or what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scardude 02/12/24 11:41:59 AM #139:	Scardude posted... To point out to others if procon is a reliable source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/ It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:978801977] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Scardude posted... </cite><quote>To point out to others if procon is a reliable source.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/procon-org/It's considered least bias with factual statements. As to the topic, there are some topics that do not have a moral or objective gray zone. To me, abortion shouldn't be on there or the holocaust. Some things are not debatable.</quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 11:44:34 AM #140:	As an aside, but another reason I think LGBTQ+ arguments are bogus. Take the concern about proper pronouns for say Non Binary folks. People take issue cause it makes things complicated. When has our language and such ever been heavily simple? This recent thread: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80694217 Demonstrates that ship has sailed. English or otherwise, complication is what the human race is best at. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978802025] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>As an aside, but another reason I think LGBTQ+ arguments are bogus. Take the concern about proper pronouns for say Non Binary folks.People take issue cause it makes things complicated. When has our language and such ever been heavily simple? This recent thread:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80694217Demonstrates that ship has sailed.English or otherwise, complication is what the human race is best at. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 02/12/24 11:51:03 AM #141:	Im digging into this pro/con website more and they also have pro/con debate of changing someones sexuality to heterosexual with conversion therapy --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978802128] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Im digging into this pro/con website more and they also have pro/con debate of changing someones sexuality to heterosexual with conversion therapy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BunkerBoy 02/12/24 11:53:41 AM #143:	CSCA33 posted... Im digging into this pro/con website more and they also have pro/con debate of changing someones sexuality to heterosexual with conversion therapy Greenmist went mask off <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978802187] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>Im digging into this pro/con website more and they also have pro/con debate of changing someones sexuality to heterosexual with conversion therapy</quote>Greenmist went mask off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scardude 02/12/24 11:58:18 AM #144:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] [LFAQs-redacted-quote] "In review, ProCon takes an issue such as gay marriage and breaks it down based on pros and cons, looking at both points of view. Each issue is well-researched and presents information in a factual and low-biased way." I don't agree with what they may cover on the website as a whole but they aren't trying to skew your perception one way or the other. In the way you described them. Leave that to rest. --- Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment. <cite>Scardude posted [p:978802276] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> "In review, ProCon takes an issue such as gay marriage and breaks it down based on pros and cons, looking at both points of view. Each issue is well-researched and presents information in a factual and low-biased way." I don't agree with what they may cover on the website as a whole but they aren't trying to skew your perception one way or the other. In the way you described them. Leave that to rest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 12:02:55 PM #145:	@Scardude I don't agree with what they may cover on the website as a whole but they aren't trying to skew your perception one way or the other. In the way you described them. Leave that to rest. I mean given the flaws I pointed out with Con 5 and 6, it seems like they are. Well in that it doesn't seem to factor that religious claims against such could be insincere. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978802349] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>@Scardude<quote>I don't agree with what they may cover on the website as a whole but they aren't trying to skew your perception one way or the other. In the way you described them. Leave that to rest.</quote>I mean given the flaws I pointed out with Con 5 and 6, it seems like they are. Well in that it doesn't seem to factor that religious claims against such could be insincere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CSCA33 02/12/24 12:08:33 PM #147:	More debates from that site: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/02316adb.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8e7d3d94.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/173ede8d.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5404ead7.jpg --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:978802441] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>More debates from that site:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/02316adb.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8e7d3d94.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/173ede8d.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5404ead7.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 02/12/24 12:09:19 PM #148:	CSCA33 posted... More debates from that site: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/02316adb.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8e7d3d94.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/173ede8d.jpg - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5404ead7.jpg @Katanablade <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:978802454] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>More debates from that site:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/02316adb.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8e7d3d94.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/173ede8d.jpg-https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5404ead7.jpg</quote>@Katanablade </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 02/12/24 12:12:29 PM #149:	Yeah I like how people insist that gay parents are the cause for a kid being gay when many who came out had a "traditionally acceptable" family unit. If that didn't guarantee a kid staying hetero, how do they account for the opposite? --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:978802510] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I like how people insist that gay parents are the cause for a kid being gay when many who came out had a "traditionally acceptable" family unit. If that didn't guarantee a kid staying hetero, how do they account for the opposite? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX 02/12/24 12:14:17 PM #150:	Self proclaimed "The leading Christian expert on LGBTQ+ concerns," PsyD verses the modern APA presented with equal weight on the first one, lmao. I'm surprised they don't just dig back into the 1950s DSM-1 for half their citations. This site is so bad. --- AND THIS. IS TO POST. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!! I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer for all living things that cry out to post! <cite>XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted [p:978802548] in Whats the ... [t:80693813]...</cite> <quote>Self proclaimed "The leading Christian expert on LGBTQ+ concerns," PsyD verses the modern APA presented with equal weight on the first one, lmao. I'm surprised they don't just dig back into the 1950s DSM-1 for half their citations. This site is so bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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