Current Events > Whats the point of discussing any politics?

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Everyone strongly believes whatever and a random conversation wont change their mind. In fact theyre trying to change yours.

So thats moot. Just go vote for the politician thats apparently for whatever you think and thats the extent of what you can actually do.

There are undecided people who read these and their eventual decision may be influenced by it. That, more than convincing the other party themself, is the main point IMO.

LordMarshal posted...

Everyone strongly believes whatever and a random conversation wont change their mind. In fact theyre trying to change yours.

Not necessarily always true.

Sure, a single random convo isn't going to change anybody's mind, but being repeatedly exposed to new ways of thinking (especially from people you respect and trust) CAN make you more receptive to opposing viewpoints. The main issue, if anything, is that people stay within echo chambers where their beliefs aren't being challenged, but rather are reinforced.

Not all political discourse on the internet is done in bad-faith.

You might as well say this about discussing anything... movie opinions, video games, books, historical events, etc. It's a cowardly and intellectually lazy stance.

mercurydude posted...

You might as well say this about discussing anything... movie opinions, video games, books, historical events, etc. It's a cowardly and intellectually lazy stance.

Trumble posted...

There are undecided people who read these and their eventual decision may be influenced by it. That, more than convincing the other party themself, is the main point IMO.

These and it's nice to have a thread for letting out any takes, cause anger isn't bad, just letting it fester is.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The main issue, if anything, is that people stay within echo chambers where their beliefs aren't being challenged, but rather are reinforced.

I dont know if this was your intention or not, but you just described the CE board down to a T there.

mercurydude posted...

You might as well say this about discussing anything... movie opinions, video games, books, historical events, etc. It's a cowardly and intellectually lazy stance.

I dont have a "stance" on them. Just a general opinion. If i think a games good and you think its bad, who cares? But differentiating opinions on political issues literally decide elections.

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The point of political discussion is to figure out if a person is dangerous enough to avoid because they're going to show up to work with a gun someday or just stupid enough to laugh at with your friends and have good, "this guy at work..." stories.

LordMarshal posted...

Everyone strongly believes whatever and a random conversation wont change their mind. In fact theyre trying to change yours.

So thats moot. Just go vote for the politician thats apparently for whatever you think and thats the extent of what you can actually do.

And which politician would that be for yourself?

Katanablade posted...

I dont know if this was your intention or not, but you just described the CE board down to a T there.

If you think CE is an echo chamber, then you don't visit many places on the internet.

If you have political opinions, you are involved in a dialogue of some kind.

Even if it's only a passive one with Fox News and right wing 'gamer' YouTubers.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

If you think CE is an echo chamber, then you don't visit many places on the internet.

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

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Whats funny about that? With the way the general user base reacts to somebody expressing right wing beliefs and actual moderations of it, I dont know how somebody could deny that this board is only accepting of left wing beliefs.

I wouldnt say its an echo chamber. There is still a fair amount of harmless goofball posting. Theres just a subset of users who elected themselves board police and just attack people, even people who lean politically the same as they do. Mods seem to be ok with it.

Tenlaar posted...

Whats funny about that? With the way the general user base reacts to somebody expressing right wing beliefs and actual moderations of it, I dont know how somebody could deny that this board is only accepting of left wing beliefs.

I mean if it's something racist/sexist/homophobic then yeah trying to insist it's just an opinion (i.e. racism is no different than disliking pepperoni on pizza or say preferring Pepsi over Coke) is basically saying bigotry is a trivial matter.

Tenlaar posted...

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

Yep, saying there's no echo chamber in CE is like saying there's no french people in France.

The motto of that place should be "Go with the grain or go away"

People who suck off Trump deserve to be shamed. Same for people who claim Biden is just as bad as the fat fuck.

Because some people actually can change. In the early 2010s I was a Ben Shapiro wannabe conservative. It took people I cared about talking to me and explaining why I was full of shit and my own inclination of searching for truths that led me to switch to the other side.

There's people like me out there. They shouldn't have to waste their life on an ideology they were indoctrinated into.

Tenlaar posted...

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

And yet here you are, making this post with no repercussions or consequences.

I find that the "right-wing beliefs" people get modded for aren't over shit like less government spending or deregulation. There's also several right-wing users (and even known trolls) who still continue to post here freely.

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Speaking for myself, I personally appreciate cisgender allies who speak up for my basic human rights and fight against the spread of disinformation regardless of the forum, and voting blue is all they have to do to make a difference.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And yet here you are, making this post with no repercussions or consequences.

I find that the "right-wing beliefs" people get modded for aren't over shit like less government spending or deregulation. There's also several right-wing users (and even known trolls) who still continue to post here freely.

It's because a lot of right wing beliefs naturally overlap with beliefs that would have gotten you warned/suspended prior to them becoming the main focus of the republican party. For example, people didn't just suddenly start getting modded for posting bigoted shit. You could have posted that before Trump and you would have been suspended.

The difference is now that the masks have come off, some people need to accept the consequences of "talk shit, get hit"

Because I'm correct and people who disagree with me have opinions that are going to literally hurt innocent people or worse

On this board I find that the police are a protected group and poor people are not. The mods aren't left leaning.

DragulaRULEZ posted...

On this board I find that the police are a protected group and poor people are not. The mods aren't left leaning.

And going off of this, this is the same board where people have been modded for calling Republicans "Yahtzees".

Tenlaar posted...

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

Mate, every time I get in trouble, not one time has it been for espousing "right wing beliefs", & I'm further left than a liberal. So this is just baloney

hockeybabe89 posted...

Because I'm correct and people who disagree with me have opinions that are going to literally hurt innocent people or worse

Biden is supporting Palestinian genocide.

So what's the deal with politics? I don't get it. Am I right people?

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And maybe conservatives who complain about being "censored" should have a think as to why people find their views horrid and offensive.

LordMarshal posted...

Everyone strongly believes whatever and a random conversation wont change their mind. In fact theyre trying to change yours.

So thats moot. Just go vote for the politician thats apparently for whatever you think and thats the extent of what you can actually do.

Thanks for your thoughts, LordTrumpy

SayHeyyShohei posted...

It's because a lot of right wing beliefs naturally overlap with beliefs that would have gotten you warned/suspended prior to them becoming the main focus of the republican party. For example, people didn't just suddenly start getting modded for posting bigoted shit. You could have posted that before Trump and you would have been suspended.

The difference is now that the masks have come off, some people need to accept the consequences of "talk shit, get hit"

Exactly.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Not necessarily always true.

Sure, a single random convo isn't going to change anybody's mind, but being repeatedly exposed to new ways of thinking (especially from people you respect and trust) CAN make you more receptive to opposing viewpoints. The main issue, if anything, is that people stay within echo chambers where their beliefs aren't being challenged, but rather are reinforced.

Not all political discourse on the internet is done in bad-faith.

From what I'm exposed to on CE. Having any nuanced or neutral viewpoint is looked down upon. Someone who sees many sides gets shunned when they are not on their side. The original intent isn't bad faith but becomes so when its clear that not being 100% their side is grounds for harassment.

Tenlaar posted...

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

Yup you legit can't make pro life topics, it's a joke.

This was what the mod said: "You may not use the revocation of women's bodily autonomy to troll about a controversial topic."

NPC posted...

Yup you legit can't make pro life topics, it's a joke.

This was what the mod said: "You may not use the revocation of women's bodily autonomy to troll about a controversial topic."

You should rephrase it from pro life to anti-humanity, might make your point clearer in the future when you want to debate your viewpoint

Scardude posted...

From what I'm exposed to on CE. Having any nuanced or neutral viewpoint is looked down upon. Someone who sees many sides gets shunned when they are not on their side. The original intent isn't bad faith but becomes so when its clear that not being 100% their side is grounds for harassment.

And of course this begs the question of: what "nuanced" or "neutral" viewpoints do you see people getting "harassed" over?

Tenlaar posted...

Ive definitely noticed people being warned and having topics deleted for espousing right wing beliefs with no apparent TOS violations. Not long ago I saw it happen when somebody made a pro-life topic. Theres a bit of an echo in here.

Yeah, I got modded for trolling on this board some time back for asking a question regarding side effects of the vaccines. And also for making remarks that were deemed "politically incorrect". So I just stopped discussing those kinds of topics here. Same thing with Reddit. Depending on what sub you go to, your opinion gets downvoted unless 51% or more people agree with you.

The truth is, there really isn't anywhere on the internet that fosters open discussion from both sides. The minority opinion always gets shut down, which only leads to more extremist ideologies. Civil discourse is a thing of the past unfortunately. And it's ironic considering we claim to value free speech, but at the same time we continue to label more and more speech as objectionable.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

It's because a lot of right wing beliefs naturally overlap with beliefs that would have gotten you warned/suspended prior to them becoming the main focus of the republican party. For example, people didn't just suddenly start getting modded for posting bigoted shit. You could have posted that before Trump and you would have been suspended.

The difference is now that the masks have come off, some people need to accept the consequences of "talk shit, get hit"

For the people in the back who didn't hear it.

Why discuss anything?

ClayGuida posted...

Why discuss anything?

why discuss why discuss anything?

People should be moderated for gross abuse of the word 'nuance'.

NPC posted...

Yup you legit can't make pro life topics, it's a joke.

This was what the mod said: "You may not use the revocation of women's bodily autonomy to troll about a controversial topic."

How are your NFT's doing, Smal?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And of course this begs the question of: what "nuanced" or "neutral" viewpoints do you see people getting "harassed" over?

Any. I am critical to any opinions in real life or online. I'm not sure why this begs the question. People are quick to go for ad homeim attacks on the person for looking at the same issue differently. I'm not the emotional reader and many people don't understand that news is read to appeal to your emotions. It's how they sell. Taking a neutral tone with the subject is more than enough to ruffle any feathers on this board.

Scardude posted...

Taking a neutral tone with the subject is more than enough to ruffle any feathers on this board.

Because most things don't have a neutral position now days.

Scardude posted...

Any. I am critical to any opinions in real life or online. I'm not sure why this begs the question. People are quick to go for ad homeim attacks on the person for looking at the same issue differently. I'm not the emotional reader and many people don't understand that news is read to appeal to your emotions. It's how they sell. Taking a neutral tone with the subject is more than enough to ruffle any feathers on this board.

Are we talking about how it's bigoted to be against intolerance?

Scardude posted...

Any. I am critical to any opinions in real life or online. I'm not sure why this begs the question. People are quick to go for ad homeim attacks on the person for looking at the same issue differently. I'm not the emotional reader and many people don't understand that news is read to appeal to your emotions. It's how they sell. Taking a neutral tone with the subject is more than enough to ruffle any feathers on this board.

We see you dancing around answering the question about elucidating which viewpoints, and its very telling.

Heineken14 posted...

Because most things don't have a neutral position now days.

That could be said in any era of history. True neutral won't exist. Perfection thinking is not the point. I study history as a hobby and even historians need to be screened for bias.

Politics seems like the most boring conversation to have.