Current Events > If you supported when US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, but no to aid in Ukraine

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then your hypocrisy and ignorance or racism is completely exposed.

I didn't support it

i think I was like....4 years old.

i don't think the US should be getting involved in any foreign wars or distributing billions of dollars in foreign aid for any reason until we can fix our poverty and homelessness in our own country, period. we're not the world police and we should get involved anytime something happens in another country. but that's just my onion.

I bought those Desert Storm trading cards. Does that count?

pretzelcoatl posted...

i think I was like....4 years old.

i don't think the US should be getting involved in any foreign wars or distributing billions of dollars in foreign aid for any reason until we can fix our poverty and homelessness in our own country, period. we're not the world police and we should get involved anytime something happens in another country.

So you want us to just watch Ukrainians get murdered? Plus, after they conquer Ukraine, they plan to invade Poland

Um how is it hypocrisy/that other stuff. We went over to those countries to spread democracy, and that's always good!

https://youtu.be/Ux711MHxg3Y?si=JTKww1W1zHAJyRU4

Being fair at the time conservative news media writers weren't all also spending half their time on korean underwater basket weaving forums getting molded by Russians on vpn's at the time.

pretzelcoatl posted...

i don't think the US should be getting involved in any foreign wars or distributing billions of dollars in foreign aid for any reason until we can fix our poverty and homelessness in our own country, period.

This part I disagree with. Only because you'll find that almost all of our military investment in other countries results in a net-positive to our economy (except for the War in Afghanistan). Our involvement in the Middle East gets us cheap-ish oil without ruining our own environment.

Preventing Russia from trying to re-establish the Eastern European bloc is mutually beneficial. We get to keep tabs on our allies, and in exchange, they let us build military bases to prevent our known enemies from getting too powerful.

ALL of our military aid to Ukraine is in the form contracts where US military companies get to hire US workers and pay taxes on profits. Giving aid to Ukraine does not prevent us from trying to fix homelessness or poverty in this country.

So you can't argue that military aid make us poor. In fact, I contend that America's economic strength is predicated on its imperial strength as a military and diplomatic power. We benefit economically, because we rely on cheap labor and cheap natural resources, while also controlling the banking system, as every non 1st world country uses the US Dollar as their reserve currency.

If you're going to argue based on moral reasons, then that's more than OKAY. But if it's based purely on economic terms, then I'd have to correct you on several points.

I was 12.

Zikten posted...

So you want us to just watch Ukrainians get murdered? Plus, after they conquer Ukraine, they plan to invade Poland

Nobody's asking India to step in and stop what's going on in Ukraine, they're a global superpower too.

If they attacked Poland, every single NATO country would be obligated to attack Russia

lydiaquayle posted...

This part I disagree with. Only because you'll find that almost all of our military investment in other countries results in a net-positive to our economy (except for the War in Afghanistan). Our involvement in the Middle East gets us cheap-ish oil without ruining our own environment.

Preventing Russia from trying to re-establish the Eastern European bloc is mutually beneficial. We get to keep tabs on our allies, and in exchange, they let us build military bases to prevent our known enemies from getting too powerful.

ALL of our military aid to Ukraine is in the form contracts where US military companies get to hire US workers and pay taxes on profits. Giving aid to Ukraine does not prevent us from trying to fix homelessness or poverty in this country.

So you can't argue that military aid make us poor. In fact, I contend that America's economic strength is predicated on its imperial strength as a military and diplomatic power.

Fair enough, I'll chew on this.

Send soldiers not money

lydiaquayle posted...

This part I disagree with. Only because you'll find that almost all of our military investment in other countries results in a net-positive to our economy (except for the War in Afghanistan). Our involvement in the Middle East gets us cheap-ish oil without ruining our own environment.

Preventing Russia from trying to re-establish the Eastern European bloc is mutually beneficial. We get to keep tabs on our allies, and in exchange, they let us build military bases to prevent our known enemies from getting too powerful.

ALL of our military aid to Ukraine is in the form contracts where US military companies get to hire US workers and pay taxes on profits. Giving aid to Ukraine does not prevent us from trying to fix homelessness or poverty in this country.

So you can't argue that military aid make us poor. In fact, I contend that America's economic strength is predicated on its imperial strength as a military and diplomatic power.

Hell, Lend Lease and weapons/supplies manufactory during WW2 is essentially how USA got out of the Depression, so this should be common understanding

Its lunacy, but not really hypocrisy. Ukraine isn't all that different to Iraq. If they supported invading Iraq and support Russia invading Ukraine, those are compatible viewpoints.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Its lunacy, but not really hypocrisy. Ukraine isn't all that different to Iraq. If they supported invading Iraq and support Russia invading Ukraine, those are compatible viewpoints.

Hehehe, Touche.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

If they supported invading Iraq and support Russia invading Ukraine, those are compatible viewpoints.

I'm not gonna say invading Iraq was the right thing to do, but that comparison is shit, considering that Saddam was a murderous dictator who did gas people to death

ROBANN_88 posted...

I'm not gonna say invading Iraq was the right thing to do, but that comparison is shit, considering that Saddam was a murderous dictator who did gas people to death

I am pretty sure that he was half kidding. But secondly, is Saddam that much worse than Putin? After all Putin is also a murderous dictator, has set up slave camps for his political opponents, and poisons people to death. The main difference is that Putin doesn't have to deal with Islamic terrorists trying to blow up his palace. And like Saddam, Putin has tried to invade sovereign nations.

lydiaquayle posted...

But secondly, is Saddam that much worse than Putin?

Yeah, but the post i was responding to said "Ukraine is just like Iraq"

Doesn't that make the flip-side of no to invasion and yes to aid hypocritical as well?

Especially with those supported when US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, but no to aid in Ukraine, AND supported funding the genocide for Israel.

sabin017 posted...

Doesn't that make the flip-side of no to invasion and yes to aid hypocritical as well?

No, because aid involves less involvement, and towards the purpose of defending from an invasion, versus supporting an actual invasion by the US.

I was 13 when 9/11 hit. It didnt help that I had a conservative father in my ear every morning before school.

Does joining the military during the later years of the war on terror count as supporting the initial invasion?

Regardless I support aid to Ukraine. Geopolitically we'd be insane to not give aid.

pretzelcoatl posted...

i think I was like....4 years old.

i don't think the US should be getting involved in any foreign wars or distributing billions of dollars in foreign aid for any reason until we can fix our poverty and homelessness in our own country, period. we're not the world police and we should get involved anytime something happens in another country. but that's just my onion.

Keeping our trading partners safe helps us at home. Imagine if we kept that mentality in the 1930s/1940s. Without the US to help, the UK would have fallen to Germany, and then Hitler could have turned his forces towards the East and the USSR. Germany and Italy would have conquered Stalin, and then, with all those resources, could have launched an attack against a now isolated and helpless USA.
Same situation today. If Putin is allowed to invade any country he wants, it isolates the US due to fewer and fewer trading partners, and stalls the economy to the point of collapse (The TV show Sliders actually used that as a plot point in the pilot episode)