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masterpug53
03/08/24 1:44:03 PM
#151:


Rare future photo of the 2024 Republican National Convention:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/383ee6df.jpg

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chris1001_the_sequel
03/08/24 1:44:34 PM
#152:


EPR-radar posted...
I wish. But even when Trump robs the RNC blind, that won't really affect the GOP money machine, since that's all dark money superpac shit as enabled by the awful Citizens United decision.

Yea, but how many of those are going to keep donating when the goal shifts from "elect Republicans" to "keep trump living comfortably in mara lago"

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Tyranthraxus
03/08/24 1:47:45 PM
#153:


EPR-radar posted...
I wish. But even when Trump robs the RNC blind, that won't really affect the GOP money machine, since that's all dark money superpac shit as enabled by the awful Citizens United decision.

The money is dark but it's countable and we know it's not infinite. And some megadonors will not be interested in donating to what is essentially Trump's doomed to fail legal defense.

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mystic_belmont
03/08/24 2:16:57 PM
#154:


Chubb paid the bond, or agreed to do so.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/03/08/trump-posts-916-million-bond-in-e-jean-carroll-case-as-he-appeals/?sh=782ef02baafe


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Amakusa
03/08/24 2:58:48 PM
#155:


I can't wait for when he inevitably makes a mistake on this and becomes publicly indebted to a foreign power.

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jefffan
03/08/24 3:04:07 PM
#156:


Amakusa posted...
I can't wait for when he inevitably makes a mistake on this and becomes publicly indebted to a foreign power.
Imagine MBS coming to collect

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darkace77450
03/08/24 4:10:59 PM
#158:


Amakusa posted...
I can't wait for when he inevitably makes a mistake on this and becomes publicly indebted to a foreign power.

He owed the Bank of China - yes, that China...the one the right's been insisting bought and paid for Joe Biden through his son Hunter - tens of millions while in office. That was public knowledge early in 2020, while he was still in office.
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CableZL
03/08/24 5:33:59 PM
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https://Twitter.com/uebey/status/1766228418809438460?s=46

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008Zulu
03/08/24 6:18:41 PM
#160:


CableZL posted...
https://Twitter.com/uebey/status/1766228418809438460?s=46
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AlCalavicci
03/08/24 6:32:07 PM
#161:


If Cannon dismissed the stolen documents case, what happens? Is there no way Smith can refile it? Does Trump just get away with it?

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ArchonKnight
03/08/24 7:02:50 PM
#162:


AlCalavicci posted...
If Cannon dismissed the stolen documents case, what happens? Is there no way Smith can refile it? Does Trump just get away with it?

If she has grounds to dismiss at all, then she may dismiss with or without prejudice. With prejudice means she feels the case has no merit and may be frivolous and cannot be filed again. Without prejudice means there's probably something filed incorrectly and the case may be filed again.

We'll see what she does, but I really doubt she'd be bold enough to dismiss the case at all, it's probably just another way for her to slow roll things.

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ClayGuida
03/08/24 7:13:49 PM
#163:


The reason why this documents case matters is because if found guilty, Trump's barred from running afaik.

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EPR-radar
03/08/24 7:19:12 PM
#164:


ClayGuida posted...
The reason why this documents case matters is because if found guilty, Trump's barred from running afaik.
I don't think that's true. Criminal convictions don't automatically bar people from running for office.

The voters are supposed to take care of preventing notorious criminals from getting elected, but Republicans these days have no problem with that.

IMO the reason the documents case is important is that the case is very simple and Trump's guilt is very, very clear.

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ArchonKnight
03/08/24 7:20:43 PM
#165:


It really should be the most open and shut case, but somehow unfortunately got stuck with a completely biased amateur judge.

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ClayGuida
03/08/24 7:21:28 PM
#166:


EPR-radar posted...
I don't think that's true. Criminal convictions don't automatically bar people from running for office.

The voters are supposed to take care of preventing notorious criminals from getting elected, but Republicans these days have no problem with that.

IMO the reason the documents case is important is that the case is very simple and Trump's guilt is very, very clear.
I think it has to do with the espionage charges.

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EPR-radar
03/08/24 7:23:47 PM
#167:


ArchonKnight posted...
If she has grounds to dismiss at all, then she may dismiss with or without prejudice. With prejudice means she feels the case has no merit and may be frivolous and cannot be filed again. Without prejudice means there's probably something filed incorrectly and the case may be filed again.

We'll see what she does, but I really doubt she'd be bold enough to dismiss the case at all, it's probably just another way for her to slow roll things.
That's my take as well -- outright dismissing the case is being too obviously partisan in favor of Trump and could get her booted off the case.

But if she spends a few weeks on each of a million frivolous issue raised one at a time by Trump and/or the right wing noise machine, the trial will take place some time after the heat death of the universe. IMO that's the service this tool seeks to provide for her Orange Master.

She's probably too stupid to stick with this plan on her own, but I'm sure GOP ratfuckers are giving her political advice.

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MistyKnight
03/08/24 7:34:11 PM
#168:


Elon paid trumps bill

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ClayGuida
03/08/24 7:35:22 PM
#169:


EPR-radar posted...
She's probably too stupid to stick with this plan on her own, but I'm sure GOP ratfuckers are giving her political advice.
I assume all the complaints about the NY/DC judges are just projection at this point.

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EPR-radar
03/08/24 7:36:37 PM
#170:


ClayGuida posted...
I assume all the complaints about the NY/DC judges are just projection at this point.
Naturally. Republicans are incapable of imagining that other people are usually not nearly as corrupt as Republicans.

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AlCalavicci
03/08/24 8:32:37 PM
#171:


EPR-radar posted...
That's my take as well -- outright dismissing the case is being too obviously partisan in favor of Trump and could get her booted off the case.

This is my question though. If she dismisses the case, there is no case for her to be booted off the case. If she dismisses, how is there a case? What does she have to lose by dismissing it?

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chris1001_the_sequel
03/08/24 8:43:56 PM
#172:


AlCalavicci posted...
This is my question though. If she dismisses the case, there is no case for her to be booted off the case. If she dismisses, how is there a case? What does she have to lose by dismissing it?

Can prosecution appeal a dismissal?

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ThePieReborn
03/08/24 8:49:44 PM
#173:


Any prospective dismissal at this stage could be appealed pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3731, as jeopardy has not attached yet and any dismissal would not involve the underlying facts of the charges, but the legality of Smith's appointment as Special Counsel or whatever immunity argument may be presented.

Edit: Link to statute in question. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3731

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AlCalavicci
03/08/24 9:11:26 PM
#174:


ThePieReborn posted...
Any prospective dismissal at this stage could be appealed pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3731, as jeopardy has not attached yet and any dismissal would not involve the underlying facts of the charges, but the legality of Smith's appointment as Special Counsel or whatever immunity argument may be presented.

Cool, so does that mean there's a good chance that if Cannon went to the extreme of dismissing it, it would be appealed to the 11th circuit and likely reinstated? And if so, would Cannon still be the judge?

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ThePieReborn
03/08/24 9:17:15 PM
#175:


AlCalavicci posted...
Cool, so does that mean there's a good chance that if Cannon went to the extreme of dismissing it, it would be appealed to the 11th circuit and likely reinstated? And if so, would Cannon still be the judge?
Hard to tell as far as whether it would be a likely reverse and remand, given that it would be de novo review.

As to what would happen after a remand, I can't really say. Motions for recusal are not a final appealable order, and I'm unfamiliar with the extent of the circuit courts' administrative control over the district courts. Troubling thing is, Thomas is the justice assigned to the Eleventh Circuit, so he may have some weight in any consideration for assigning another district court judge to the case.

Edit: Went through the Southern District of Florida local rules and procedures as well as the Eleventh Circuit's. Didn't really help much, and I don't particularly feel like digging through the US Code tonight. I'll see if I can find something when I have a little more energy.

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Tyranthraxus
03/09/24 12:08:08 AM
#177:


AlCalavicci posted...
If Cannon dismissed the stolen documents case, what happens? Is there no way Smith can refile it? Does Trump just get away with it?

That's when he files to have her removed for bias, they essentially then restart the trial with a new judge

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Zikten
03/09/24 12:26:54 AM
#178:


Tyranthraxus posted...
That's when he files to have her removed for bias, they essentially then restart the trial with a new judge
If they get a new judge there is no way it happens before the election
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Tyranthraxus
03/09/24 1:03:01 AM
#179:


Zikten posted...
If they get a new judge there is no way it happens before the election
It's not happening before the election even if Cannon gets replaced by a body double who hates Trump.

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Kradek
03/09/24 1:05:47 AM
#180:


ClayGuida posted...
The reason why this documents case matters is because if found guilty, Trump's barred from running afaik.

Nah, Eugene Debs was convicted under the Espionage Act, which is what Trump would be convicted of, as that's what this case actually is, however he was still able to run and got 3%. Also while sitting in prison, if I'm not mistaken.

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mystic_belmont
03/09/24 9:11:50 AM
#182:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Yes, and we totally know he would keep that information private.

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dummy420
03/09/24 9:27:14 AM
#183:


mystic_belmont posted...
Yes, and we totally know he would keep that information private.
Yeah good thing because you don't want anyone who would name and try to intimidate jurors.

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CableZL
03/09/24 8:24:43 PM
#184:


Trump defamed E. Jean Carroll again. I wonder if she'll sue a 3rd time

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ArchonKnight
03/09/24 8:26:30 PM
#185:


Hell yeah, get that bag, girl.

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Takuya_Lee
03/09/24 8:40:13 PM
#186:


CableZL posted...
Trump defamed E. Jean Carroll again. I wonder if she'll sue a 3rd time

He's her infinite money cheat code and all she has to do is exist . Doesn't even have to enter a code

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mystic_belmont
03/09/24 9:19:53 PM
#187:


CableZL posted...
Trump defamed E. Jean Carroll again. I wonder if she'll sue a 3rd time

He did? I need to see this, just for the lols.

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Takuya_Lee
03/09/24 10:00:44 PM
#189:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Uh oh ...

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Anteaterking
03/09/24 10:08:40 PM
#190:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I never know how much to trust Seth Abramson.

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King_Rial
03/10/24 12:05:43 AM
#191:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Where is he getting this from? I find no word of Russian ties.

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ThePieReborn
03/10/24 12:35:45 AM
#192:


King_Rial posted...
Where is he getting this from? I find no word of Russian ties.
The only thing I'm aware of is that Chubb has substantial ties to the oil and gas industry, including the Russian industry. Not sure if that's the angle he's pushing, but that's my best guess.

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mystic_belmont
03/10/24 12:37:15 AM
#193:


Can the court reject a bond?

Would they?

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ThePieReborn
03/10/24 1:02:10 AM
#194:


mystic_belmont posted...
Can the court reject a bond?

Would they?
Federal Rules require court approval, so it's not an automatic thing. Not sure if the source of the bond will be cause for disapproval if the surety would otherwise be reliable.

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Alucard188
03/10/24 8:19:40 AM
#195:


https://youtu.be/nwXuPRPdZbs?si=iOOfUT6sVUn1pmMU

After posting the $91 million bond to appeal, he goes to a rally and defames E. Jean Carroll yet again. Why does he need to have so many rallies? Good God, they don't love you that much.

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mystic_belmont
03/10/24 10:35:16 AM
#196:


Alucard188 posted...
https://youtu.be/nwXuPRPdZbs?si=iOOfUT6sVUn1pmMU

After posting the $91 million bond to appeal, he goes to a rally and defames E. Jean Carroll yet again. Why does he need to have so many rallies? Good God, they don't love you that much.

what an idiot.

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ClayGuida
03/10/24 11:40:51 AM
#197:


This feels like an oroboros situation now. Trump is stuck in a loop.

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dummy420
03/10/24 11:54:47 AM
#198:


Haha he is simply incapable of being told what to do. I hope she takes some more because each round is more money.

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mystic_belmont
03/10/24 12:16:02 PM
#199:


He kept his mouth shut till he got the bond, probably thinking he got off scott free.

The appeals process is going to be a loser for him, and Carroll gets to go for a third time.

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ClayGuida
03/10/24 12:21:22 PM
#200:


Not sure if this enough to warrant it, especially since Greene and other conservatives said far worse and I don't think they got sued.

But I do hope it is. Watching his world crumble because he refuses to just shut the fuck up about her would be the most hilarious demise ever.

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