Current Events > Publishers Worried About Supporting XBOX Moving Forward, Report Claims

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https://insider-gaming.com/publishers-worried-about-supporting-xbox-moving-forward-report-claims/

Third-party publishers are second-guessing their continued support of Xbox consoles moving forward.
According to a new report from the head of GamesIndustry.biz Chris Dring, the predominant feeling around last weeks Game Developers Conference was the status of Microsoft and Xbox.

The other thing I heardI heard it from a very prominent company and one not so prominentwas Xboxs performance in Europe is just flatlining, he said via the GI Microcast.

He continued: You can follow our monthly coverage in the games market and you can see that Xbox sales are falling, and its been falling all throughout last year and its falling even harder this year. The phrase one major company who released a big game last year said [was], I dont know why we bothered supporting it.
Lastly, it was mentioned that third-party publishers view the market right now as PC and PS5.

https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-will-bring-majority-of-titles-to-ps5-at-some-point-report

Xbox Will Bring Majority of Titles to PS5 at Some Point Report

After the recent GDC 2024, GamesIndustry's Christopher Dring believes Xbox is "in real trouble as a hardware manufacturer."

RIP MS

Wonder if they can turn it around but I really don't think so.

Xbox brought some of the worst inventions to gaming so if karma has caught up, not sure I feel bad for them. Yes Sony is an absolute scumbag corporation too but it didn't introduce paid online services and online passes and dlc. Probably because America just outdoes everyone went it comes to anti-consumer profit chasing.

Xbox brand should just continue as prebuilt PCs at this point. Their existence has been pointless since the first one

Kaldrenthebold posted...

RIP MS

Wonder if they can turn it around but I really don't think so.

Yeah, their side venture into console gaming might have to be morphed into some other project or they might continue to lose money at an alarming rate which they will barely feel because console gaming was always a curious little side project for them.

Sony always wins.

Best case scenario they go the way of Sega. Worst case they abandon games entirely and pretend they never were in the business.

LonelyStoner posted...

Sony always wins.

They laughed at him, but Chad Warden is the modern day Nostradamus

Xbox should been sold at reduced prices in underperforming countries to drive up interest instead of buying up publishers.

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XBOX Game Pass has "Flat Lined".

They missed their own needed minimum subscriber base to make XBOX Game Pass Subscritpion viable, they are WAY under their own projections, much less being sustainable.

XBOX Game Pass is burning alot of $$$ in their pockets, with no trend to sustainability.

MS should've never given up the traditional gaming model, this crazy bet for "XBOX Game Pass" was a MAJOR failure and it's going to cost MS ALOT, it might even force them out of the hardware business.

The best solution for MS is to give up the hardware business, close down XBOX Game Pass, become like Sega, and just publish games.

That's their best road to profitability.

At least they got good controllers for pc use

Seaman_Prime posted...

At least they got good controllers for pc use

They were correct in using 2x AA batteries, that's a far more sustainable course than what Sony has been doing with "Proprietary" Lithium Batteries that you need to dis-assemble the controller to service.

I been saying ms is a trillon dollar company they can sell both xboxes at 99 dollars for a year and get them in homes they fucked up the xbox brand so bad

A shame too, since they seem just a bit less scummy than Sony and Nintendo right now

I remember the argument before Activision was bought out and so many people were rallying behind MS with the Xbox brand and how it was going to finally bury Sony.

Everyone yelled "This is a good thing!" Honestly, I don't know why MS didn't just make themselves a third party developer. I think it would have worked better for them, especially since they aren't necessarily known for huge first party games. Sure they have like what? 3 hot selling ones?

Halo was their golden goose and they ruined it. All they can do is pretty much buy out developers and ruin them. If only Nintendo had the foresight to buy Rare.

Rare and Retro both being their Western side developers would have been perfect. Instead, Rare works on a live service game and you don't see much of anything else by them? Back in the day they were pumping out games for Nintendo like they were going to run out of time....I miss those days.

We could have more 'good' Banjo and Kazooie games but we don't. Same with Conker or Killer Instinct.

They bought Activision and laid off a lot of their work staff so all they want out of it is the IPs which they might screw up in the long run.

That's a shame.

Bummer. I really prefer xbox controllers and console UI.

Hopefully not, since the Series X is a much better console than the PS5.

LonelyStoner posted...

Sony always wins.

Customers always lose.

I am too/dont blame them, I feel as if Microsoft is going to leave the hardware business

TendoDRM posted...

Hopefully not, since the Series X is a much better console than the PS5.

Customers always lose.

stop

I personally think the series x is the best console ever made from a design standpoint. They just havent been able to get the support for it

no games tbh

all these bought publishers not a damn game come out yet except starfield which was avg at best

solosnake posted...

I personally think the series x is the best console ever made from a design standpoint. They just havent been able to get the support for it

Mine could have been used as a paperweight how little I used it.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

I been saying ms is a trillon dollar company they can sell both xboxes at 99 dollars for a year and get them in homes they fucked up the xbox brand so bad

I would certainly get a series X if it dropped below 300 (Im not settling for s). BUT I already have a ps5 and switch, so its hard for me to justify another expensive console when whatever little time I have to play is already spent on these two. I imagine a lot of people feel the same.

like i said at 99 dollars thats an impulse buy i dont even think about it

CADE_FOSTER posted...

I been saying ms is a trillon dollar company they can sell both xboxes at 99 dollars for a year and get them in homes they fucked up the xbox brand so bad

Companies don't like taking a loss on any console handed out.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

like i said at 99 dollars thats an impulse buy i dont even think about it

The outdated model of taking a loss with each console unit is LONG gone.

Nintendo showed the way by making a profit on each console unit sold & making a profit on each software sale.

If anyone could its ms they gotta take drastic measures otherwise the xbox brand is toast

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

I would certainly get a series X if it dropped below 300 (Im not settling for s). BUT I already have a ps5 and switch, so its hard for me to justify another expensive console when whatever little time I have to play is already spent on these two. I imagine a lot of people feel the same.

Plus whatever you can play on it you can mostly play on PS5 unless all you want to do is play Halo Infinite.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

the xbox brand is toast

seems likely. With nintendo doing their own thing, Sony is probably gonna have a monoply on the HD console market.

There's only really enough room for two console makers in the market. Nintendo and Sony are all you need.

Literally everybody IRL I know is familiar with the Xbox 360, but has no idea what came after or what the current Xboxes are. It was really interesting how popular the 360 was and how they squandered the brand moving forward.

Honestly, I'm tempted to get a Series X for 2 very obscure personal reasons: 4k 60fps Ninja Gaiden 2, and split-screen Halo. Those are experiences you can't easily get elsewhere, including PC.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

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XBOX Game Pass has "Flat Lined".

They missed their own needed minimum subscriber base to make XBOX Game Pass Subscritpion viable, they are WAY under their own projections, much less being sustainable.

XBOX Game Pass is burning alot of $$$ in their pockets, with no trend to sustainability.

MS should've never given up the traditional gaming model, this crazy bet for "XBOX Game Pass" was a MAJOR failure and it's going to cost MS ALOT, it might even force them out of the hardware business.

The best solution for MS is to give up the hardware business, close down XBOX Game Pass, become like Sega, and just publish games.

That's their best road to profitability.

PS+ was always better than GamePass. Xbros flexed the GamePass so hard without even looking into whether Sony had a better equivalent.

Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...

Literally everybody IRL I know is familiar with the Xbox 360, but has no idea what came after or what the current Xboxes are. It was really interesting how popular the 360 was and how they squandered the brand moving forward.

Honestly, I'm tempted to get a Series X for 2 very obscure personal reasons: 4k 60fps Ninja Gaiden 2, and split-screen Halo. Those are experiences you can't easily get elsewhere, including PC.

I know a lot of people who got a 360 because their friends were playing the new CoD on it so they wanted to play with them. I got it for similar reasons but also because Xbox was hitting the Japanese market and even had exclusives plus I was a huge fan of Fable.

I switched to the PS4 because I stopped playing CoD and PS4's focus was something I preferred. Xbox One...I can't even name a game from there except Sunset Overdrive...oh and Halo and Gears of War.

LonelyStoner posted...

PS+ was always better than GamePass. Xbros flexed the GamePass so hard without even looking into whether Sony had a better equivalent.

nah, i was able to get 4 years of gamepass(ultimate) for $112. Way more value than ps+

LonelyStoner posted...

PS+ was always better than GamePass. Xbros flexed the GamePass so hard without even looking into whether Sony had a better equivalent.

PS+ wasn't designed around Entire Software Library Access as a Subscription.

It was designed around the traditional Software Sales model & supporting the online infrastructure.

What OLD Xbox Live was.

Any free games was a bonus / extra when traditional sales floundered or a deal was struck with the publisher.

Pretty sure any one of us would do a better job at marketing xbox than Phil Spencer but ms execs seem happy

solosnake posted...

nah, i was able to get 4 years of gamepass(ultimate) for $112. Way more value than ps+

And yet the games offered on PS+ were wayyyy better.

What's the market breakdown for the Xbox Series and PS5 consoles? The first post mentions performance in Europe, and MS has always had a problem making inroads there, at least outside the UK. Same with Japan. I imagine the gap is much closer in North America. The 360 outsold the PS3 by a pretty decent margin the US, and it was the PS3's lead Europe and Japan that gave it the worldwide edge. So what can MS do in those markets? Is Japan always going to be a lost cause for an outside competitor?

MLBloomy posted...

What's the market breakdown for the Xbox Series and PS5 consoles? The first post mentions performance in Europe, and MS has always had a problem making inroads there, at least outside the UK. Same with Japan. I imagine the gap is much closer in North America. The 360 outsold the PS3 by a pretty decent margin the US, and it was the PS3's lead Europe and Japan that gave it the worldwide edge. So what can MS do in those markets? Is Japan always going to be a lost cause for an outside competitor?

I know nothing else about your post but yes, outside competition will never win in Japan which might as well be the empire of video games. Nintendo is currently reigning supreme there.

ms launched the 360 a full year before ps3 came out man

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People are on the fence of supporting xbox and they're losing money.

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Could be the rumors of them moving their games to Nintendo and Playstation and possibly leaving the console business.

Also they are losing a lot of business so people might not want to develop for them.

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Just.....various things piling up on'em pretty much.

I can at least say that I used to be a crazy huge gears of war fan but gears 4 and 5 just hasn't clicked with me as much as those did. I think halo fans is sort of in the same boat with most liking 3 when it comes to MP and the rest of the halos not quite hitting that high note for them. I think forza is ok, but microsoft haven't been really doing anything with the IPs they have in comparison to nintendo and their stuff and sony with their IPs like last of us, horizon, god of war, ratchet and clank, the deals they have for marvel games like spider-man/upcoming wolverine etc. Like with all the money they poses where has a new fable game been?.....aside from getting cancelled. Things like that.

Another thing that probably isn't a major issue but is something that definitely effects a gamer like me is that the xbox just keeps missing out on those random smaller releases. I'm talking things like star ocean 2 R. Something like this comes enough of a habit to the point where people just get it ingrained into their head to stick with either a playstation or a nintendo console for these types of releases.

It just isn't the same like it was with the first few years of the 360's life when they were locking down 3rd party releases, pushing out IPs and actually had a string of real good indie or older console game releases going on xbox live arcade.

Like, I have a series X sitting over here myself, but it tends to collect dust since I am waiting on any kind of gears, fable, state of decay etc. news. (Mainly thanks to my brother getting a extra by mistake from gamestop's online store. He gave this extra series X to me while I gave him a old model switch I had for my niece).

I'll give it this though......my old 360 purchases look nice on my TV via the series X. Earthworm jim HD actually pops, lol.

the_real_Naruto posted...

I know a lot of people who got a 360 because their friends were playing the new CoD on it so they wanted to play with them. I got it for similar reasons but also because Xbox was hitting the Japanese market and even had exclusives plus I was a huge fan of Fable.

I switched to the PS4 because I stopped playing CoD and PS4's focus was something I preferred. Xbox One...I can't even name a game from there except Sunset Overdrive...oh and Halo and Gears of War.

I got it cause I couldn't find a fucking Wii in 2006. Said fuck it and got a 360 with Oblivion, Condemned and Call of Duty 2.

I really like Game Pass, though.

Mad-Dogg posted...

Just.....various things piling up on'em pretty much.

I can at least say that I used to be a crazy huge gears of war fan but gears 4 and 5 just hasn't clicked with me as much as those did. I think halo fans is sort of in the same boat with most liking 3 when it comes to MP and the rest of the halos not quite hitting that high note for them. I think forza is ok, but microsoft haven't been really doing anything with the IPs they have in comparison to nintendo and their stuff and sony with their IPs like last of us, horizon, god of war, ratchet and clank, the deals they have for marvel games like spider-man/upcoming wolverine etc. Like with all the money they poses where has a new fable game been?.....aside from getting cancelled. Things like that.

Another thing that probably isn't a major issue but is something that definitely effects a gamer like me is that the xbox just keeps missing out on those random smaller releases. I'm talking things like star ocean 2 R. Something like this comes enough of a habit to the point where people just get it ingrained into their head to stick with either a playstation or a nintendo console for these types of releases.

It just isn't the same like it was with the first few years of the 360's life when they were locking down 3rd party releases, pushing out IPs and actually had a string of real good indie or older console game releases going on xbox live arcade.

I get what you mean. I don't look at xbox as the console with JRPGs so I always see it as the console that sticks to 'realistic bland graphics' type of games and just anything that would be most enjoyed by American gamers like FPS and Racing games or the next Madden. Most people I know who DO own a Series mostly use it for that anyway.

PoopPotato posted...

I really like Game Pass, though.

And it's will be on every damn thing that can handle it if they do stop making xbox