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RSmit
03/27/24 4:18:13 PM
#101:


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Kradek
03/27/24 4:21:08 PM
#102:


ClayGuida posted...
How about we stop giving these people shorter sentences and start giving them maximum.

This wasn't a fucking play date. This wasn't a happy accident.

Yeah I'm bothered by the judge saying he would have gotten a shorter sentence if he wasn't so hardheaded.

Fucking why? Why do any of them deserve leniency for attacking the Capitol to halt democracy and bring harm to Congress? Utterly insane how this country coddles white supremacist fascists domestic terrorists.

Yes, the Proud Boys and Oathkeeper upper echelon has gotten lengthy sentences, however their success was predicated on the facilitation of the mob such as these people the court wants to be lenient on.

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ThePieReborn
03/27/24 4:25:17 PM
#103:


Kradek posted...
Yeah I'm bothered by the judge saying he would have gotten a shorter sentence if he wasn't so hardheaded.

Fucking why? Why do any of them deserve leniency for attacking the Capitol to halt democracy and bring harm to Congress? Utterly insane how this country coddles white supremacist fascists domestic terrorists.

Yes, the Proud Boys and Oathkeeper upper echelon has gotten lengthy sentences, however their success was predicated on the facilitation of the mob such as these people the court wants to be lenient on.
Contrition/remorse are factors considered during sentencing. That's where that comment came from.

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Kradek
03/27/24 4:31:52 PM
#104:


ThePieReborn posted...
Contrition/remorse are factors considered during sentencing. That's where that comment came from.

I mean, I understand that in general for normal crimes.

I just feel like the judicial system in general is being rather flippant over the incident, like it's just a run of the mill case.

"Oh, he's remorseful for stealing that item and it's his first offense? Ok, well I think I can offer a reduction in sentence"

These people were trying to steal an election and we know what Trump would have done with it had they succeeded.

We also see it in the USSC in the way they so casually handled Trump's insurrection in regards to CO. They argued it from an academic standpoint over the legitimate and stated threat that Trump is to the nation and its ability to function.


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ThePieReborn
03/27/24 4:40:41 PM
#105:


Kradek posted...
I mean, I understand that in general for normal crimes.

I just feel like the judicial system in general is being rather flippant over the incident, like it's just a run of the mill case.

"Oh, he's remorseful for stealing that item and it's his first offense? Ok, well I think I can offer a reduction in sentence"

These people were trying to steal an election and we know what Trump would have done with it had they succeeded.

We also see it in the USSC in the way they so casually handled Trump's insurrection in regards to CO. They argued it from an academic standpoint over the legitimate and stated threat that Trump is to the nation and its ability to function.
Agreed regarding the sentencing side of things.

The academic issue is broadly applicable to appellate courts in general in recent years, especially where the issues are not "traditionally" emotional/high stakes. It was very apparent when the gay marriage cases were circulating in the circuit courts, and the same is true with respect to the various statutory schemes regarding transgender care. It's an unfortunate side effect of appellate judges being detached from the trial level: we only had access to a written transcript of the trial proceedings and testimony and copies of the exhibits. Without that personal touch, it's difficult to not approach appellate work in an academic way.

It also doesn't help that appellate judges are generally in situations where they are not personally impacted by the rules contained in the authored opinions. That insulation contributes very much so to the approach that appellate work is an academic exercise.

Not to say that all judges are like that. When I was clerking and drafting opinions for my judge, one of the most important things for her was respecting the emotional investment of both the appellant and appellee in writing the opinion (where applicable; if it was an issue over money like a business to business breach of contract or something, she was generally "meh, it's just money"). While I try to be objective both in my work and personal comments, I keep that lesson in mind.

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tremain07
03/27/24 5:11:15 PM
#106:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJtk8VN2GIw

Yet again Trump gets special treatment and oh god if that judge actually dismisses the case on that bull shit argument

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CableZL
03/27/24 7:10:28 PM
#107:


https://twitter.com/TomDreisbach/status/1773125051677560893

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm sure John Eastman will appeal this, but

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Kradek
03/27/24 7:22:04 PM
#108:


ThePieReborn posted...
The academic issue is broadly applicable to appellate courts in general in recent years, especially where the issues are not "traditionally" emotional/high stakes. It was very apparent when the gay marriage cases were circulating in the circuit courts, and the same is true with respect to the various statutory schemes regarding transgender care. It's an unfortunate side effect of appellate judges being detached from the trial level: we only had access to a written transcript of the trial proceedings and testimony and copies of the exhibits. Without that personal touch, it's difficult to not approach appellate work in an academic way.

But you'd have to be totally insulated from society to not know about Trump's cases. Once again I can see that being applicable for the vast majority of cases, however this isn't that.

I'm still peeved that Brown-Jackson would pull that stupid "dur is the A14S3 even applicable to Presidents? Durrrr" nonsense when we'd already known about Trump's Project 2025 for a good long time. How would the A14S3 not be applicable to someone who was not only ruled an insurrectionist by 2 CO courts after evidence & trial (the USSC didn't discount their finding on this, they just didn't care), but basically promised to destroy the federal government so no one can stop him from doing what they want on their official campaign website, and she wants to fucking argue if the President is "actually an officer", even though their oath literally refers to it as the Office. A14S3 not being applicable to someone like Trump makes it seem largely useless, especially given that they went further than needed to neuter it.

That's the kind of thing that really pisses me off. It's like kids in a debate class where their decisions have no real ramifications to greater society.

ThePieReborn posted...
It also doesn't help that appellate judges are generally in situations where they are not personally impacted by the rules contained in the authored opinions. That insulation contributes very much so to the approach that appellate work is an academic exercise.

This is the conclusion I came to, that it's largely them being insulated from the ramifications of their decisions.

ThePieReborn posted...
Not to say that all judges are like that. When I was clerking and drafting opinions for my judge, one of the most important things for her was respecting the emotional investment of both the appellant and appellee in writing the opinion (where applicable; if it was an issue over money like a business to business breach of contract or something, she was generally "meh, it's just money"). While I try to be objective both in my work and personal comments, I keep that lesson in mind.

That's good, wish there was more like her.

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CableZL
03/27/24 7:25:08 PM
#109:


https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24521262/eastman-decision-trial.pdf

Here's the document from the State Bar of California where they decided that John Eastman should be disbarred

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Kradek
03/27/24 7:27:28 PM
#110:


CableZL posted...
https://twitter.com/TomDreisbach/status/1773125051677560893

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm sure John Eastman will appeal this, but

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Seems like a logical conclusion. Dude was part of the effort to overturn the election. Shouldn't be able to keep your law license after that.

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Irony
03/27/24 7:28:02 PM
#111:


Should be in jail

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CableZL
03/27/24 7:28:59 PM
#112:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/97d47f2e.jpg

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CableZL
03/27/24 7:30:37 PM
#113:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/990d2460.jpg

John Eastman will also have to pay $10,000 in fines

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tremain07
03/27/24 7:40:46 PM
#114:


how is it that everyone around Trump other than Steve Bannon gets the hands while he walks free and gets special treatment?

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CableZL
03/27/24 7:44:08 PM
#115:


So apparently the California State Supreme Court will make the final decision on his law license. This decision will automatically put John Eastman's license in a suspended state.

Not sure how long it will take the state supreme court to decide, though.

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darkace77450
03/27/24 8:01:11 PM
#116:


tremain07 posted...
how is it that everyone around Trump other than Steve Bannon gets the hands while he walks free and gets special treatment?

He was pardoned by his boss.
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darkace77450
03/27/24 8:06:18 PM
#118:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Is that about the fraudulent wall fund? I'd forgotten about that one. He's committed so many crimes it's become hard to keep track.
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CableZL
03/28/24 10:38:34 AM
#119:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPb_DicOtQ

Another pre-trial motions hearing in the Georgia RICO case

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jefffan
03/28/24 10:39:22 AM
#120:


https://www.youtube.com/live/SysZC7yrcM8?si=NSYsb8oguEoiABdq

Link to today's hearing in Georgia one whether the case should be dismissed on the First Amendment.

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jefffan
03/28/24 10:41:12 AM
#121:


CableZL posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPb_DicOtQ

Another pre-trial motions hearing in the Georgia RICO case
Bah got me lol

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jefffan
03/28/24 2:00:38 PM
#122:


Karina Lake about to take a L in court.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/27/kari-lake-defamation-lawsuit

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King_Rial
03/28/24 4:16:32 PM
#123:


Lake is just trying to avoid discovery which would prove that not only was she actually trying to cause harm, she knew every word of what she said was a lie. What would have come out would have been far more damaging than most could imagine. If I were the plaintiff, I would not want that. Don't let her weasel out of this.

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AlCalavicci
03/28/24 5:32:07 PM
#124:


Wow, slow day for updates. Trump really must be gagged.

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ArchonKnight
03/28/24 5:45:55 PM
#125:


His lawyers probably had to hide his phone or put parental blocks on it lol

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ArchonKnight
03/28/24 6:02:59 PM
#128:


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SAD!

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shadow_dreamer
03/28/24 6:05:29 PM
#129:


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They should also remind him that presidents definitely have total legal immunity to everything every, so Biden would be a fool not to arrest him on false charges and rig the election, you know, per Trump's own legal arguments.
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divot1338
03/28/24 6:07:34 PM
#130:


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The one thing that will definitely set off the most calm mannered guy in the world is bringing up his daughter.

Trump is so fucked in this case.

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darkace77450
03/28/24 8:24:50 PM
#131:


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This guy has the worst luck. Literally every judge he's ever appeared before - save Judge Cannon, whom he appointed - is compromised and/or out to get him.
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Anteaterking
03/28/24 8:28:55 PM
#132:


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darkace77450
03/28/24 9:00:16 PM
#133:


Trump is going to violate his gag order sooner than later. When he does, I hope he's sentenced to jail for contempt of court. I know he'll appeal such a sentence, and I know he'll get a stay while he delays the appeal, but I want him to finally, finally face real consequences for his petulance.
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008Zulu
03/29/24 6:39:02 AM
#134:


darkace77450 posted...
Trump is going to violate his gag order sooner than later. When he does, I hope he's sentenced to jail for contempt of court. I know he'll appeal such a sentence, and I know he'll get a stay while he delays the appeal, but I want him to finally, finally face real consequences for his petulance.
Jail for contempt is pretty rare. Usually it's just fines.

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Kai_Laguna
03/29/24 7:24:20 AM
#135:


It's just gonna be another slap on the wrist.
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ClayGuida
03/29/24 10:24:44 AM
#136:


https://www.axios.com/local/phoenix/2024/03/27/arizona-gop-headquarters-sale

lol, they just bought this 9 months ago. I hope it's a sign of being strapped for cash.

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CableZL
03/29/24 12:04:04 PM
#137:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1773741595243770157

Jeffrey Clark needs to be disbarred, too. He was an environmental lawyer in the DoJ int he Trump administration, but was actually briefly moved up to acting US AG. Trump backed off of that because other people in the DoJ said there would be mass resignations if Jeffrey Clark was actually going to be AG. His bar disciplinary trial started recently. Yesterday, he took the stand for a bit and refused to answer questions either with the 5th amendment, executive privilege, or other various "privileges."

At one point, after he asserted attorney-client privilege, he was asked who his client was. He answered that his client was Donald Trump, even though he never had an attorney-client relationship with Donald Trump. As a DoJ environmental lawyer, his client is actually the people of the United States. This got his lawyers to panic a bit and remind him that he needs to just plead the 5th.

The fact that he actually thinks Trump was his client is wild as hell.

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AlCalavicci
03/29/24 12:18:27 PM
#138:


CableZL posted...
The fact that he actually thinks Trump was his client is wild as hell.

I'm sure it's more clinging to something to protect him having to talk.

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devilminion
03/29/24 1:25:56 PM
#139:


*ShockedPikachu*
The comments Trump said the judge's daughter made, actually belonged to a twitter account that wasn't hers

In his latest rant, Trump made no mention of social media posts he previously claimed were made by Merchan, however.
Thats likely because a representative for the New York state court system pointed out that the account Trump attributed to her in his initial rant against on Wednesday didnt actually belong to her.
Instead, Al Baker, a a spokesperson for the New York Office of Court Administration, told The Daily Beast that the posts Trump cited as hers, which included a photo that showed him behind bars, came from a total stranger.

~ https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-goes-judge-juan-merchan-021200458.html

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Block_that_Kick
03/29/24 1:39:27 PM
#140:


Doesnt matter. His followers now believe it and Trump will never in a million years recant what he said.

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darkace77450
03/29/24 1:54:57 PM
#141:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-68069245

Mr Hobday, who was a consultant project director for the Trump Organization, has spoken to Trumped, a new BBC Sounds podcast which revisits the controversy surrounding the approval for the Trump International Golf Links course.

"I don't think even if he could raise the money to build the whole thing out, he wanted the golf course and that was it," he said.

"He was willing to fight the environmental battle and create this impression that this was a $1bn project and Scotland absolutely needed it. But I think he never really had the money or the intention of finishing it."

He added: "I feel very hoodwinked and ashamed that I fell for it and Scotland fell for it. We all fell for it. He was never going to do it."

Come on, Scotland. Do the thing. Sue him for fraud.
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RchHomieQuanChi
03/29/24 3:45:53 PM
#142:


Block_that_Kick posted...
Doesnt matter. His followers now believe it and Trump will never in a million years recant what he said.

She should sue his ass for defamation

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CADE_FOSTER
03/29/24 3:47:48 PM
#143:


def she would win
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Starks
03/29/24 3:48:23 PM
#144:


CableZL posted...
The fact that he actually thinks Trump was his client is wild as hell.
He's like Peter Navarro. There are things he is willing to take to the grave rather than further implicate Trump in crimes. He believes we have no right to ever know the thought processes around January 6th.

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CableZL
03/30/24 10:16:43 PM
#145:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2fabbe99.jpg

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Cemith
03/30/24 10:20:10 PM
#146:


CableZL posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2fabbe99.jpg
Oh that's so delicious

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littlebro07
03/31/24 10:44:16 AM
#147:


ayy

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Irony
03/31/24 10:45:23 AM
#148:


Ayy lmao

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darkace77450
03/31/24 3:55:41 PM
#149:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-launches-another-attack-judge-145208524.html

In a Truth Social post on Saturday, Trump shared a link to a New York Post article about the judges daughter, who has consulted to Democratic campaigns, and wrote, This is a disgrace to our Legal System. Judge Merchan should be immediately sanctioned and recused, and this fake case, only kept alive by the Highly Conflicted Judge, should be completely dismissed right away. The post included photos of Merchans daughter.

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