Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 412: A Bad Deal on the Good Book

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Thorn 04/08/24 11:41:28 AM #151:	The Washington Post article actually goes pretty indepth here in analyzing the details of both Sheehy's Afghanistan story(s) and the park report and is worth a read if you want the details on various things. They tracked down the park ranger in question and he told them he inspected the gun and there was a missing bullet, Sheehy's team provided WaPo with an X-Ray of his arm on the condition they not publish the actual X-Ray itself - but they showed it to doctors and one with extensive trauma experience said the object appeared to be a bullet but did not seem to be, in his opinion, consistent with a ricochet shot from a military grade weapon (as he claims in his Afghanistan stories.) He also has changed the details of his Afghanistan story from time to time - including on things as big as how many bullets he took. About the only piece they report on that is in his favor is that they also talked to a firearms expert who, in addressing one of Sheehy's defenses that it was "impossible" for a Colt .45 to accidentally discharge like this - said it would be "very unlikely" for an accidental discharge to occur if the events of the incident in the citation are accurate. However, and this is me offering my thoughts now, it's worth noting (and the article states this elsewhere) that the incident details are based entirely off of Sheehy's account so it's entirely possible he didn't report it 100% accurately if it was more embarrassing to him in reality. But also even if he did tell the truth to the ranger - unlike Sheehy's team which said "impossible" the firearms expert said "very unlikely" which I mean... isn't zero --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:979802982] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>The Washington Post article actually goes pretty indepth here in analyzing the details of both Sheehy's Afghanistan story(s) and the park report and is worth a read if you want the details on various things.They tracked down the park ranger in question and he told them he inspected the gun and there was a missing bullet, Sheehy's team provided WaPo with an X-Ray of his arm on the condition they not publish the actual X-Ray itself - but they showed it to doctors and one with extensive trauma experience said the object appeared to be a bullet but did not seem to be, in his opinion, consistent with a ricochet shot from a military grade weapon (as he claims in his Afghanistan stories.) He also has changed the details of his Afghanistan story from time to time - including on things as big as how many bullets he took.About the only piece they report on that is in his favor is that they also talked to a firearms expert who, in addressing one of Sheehy's defenses that it was "impossible" for a Colt .45 to accidentally discharge like this - said it would be "very unlikely" for an accidental discharge to occur if the events of the incident in the citation are accurate. However, and this is me offering my thoughts now, it's worth noting (and the article states this elsewhere) that the incident details are based entirely off of Sheehy's account so it's entirely possible he didn't report it 100% accurately if it was more embarrassing to him in reality. But also even if he did tell the truth to the ranger - unlike Sheehy's team which said "impossible" the firearms expert said "very unlikely" which I mean... isn't zero </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 04/09/24 6:34:17 AM #152:	Funny how I got warned for "accusing someone of being antisemitc" because it's "wildly antagonistic and offensive" And yet you have tweets like this- https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1777390873518489613 A international human-rights organization. That claims Walid Daqqa was just "a writer", not mentioning the fact that he was responsible for the torture and murder of a IDF soldier (I am not describing the torture method, if you are curious read the top comment in the tweet) The way they pharsed it make it seems like Walid was just a innocent writer So, tell me, how can a global oraganization that claims to care about human-rights, doesn't care that he murdered a soldier, but just cares about how he died in custody? How can you justify this? --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:979816658] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Funny how I got warned for "accusing someone of being antisemitc" because it's "wildly antagonistic and offensive"And yet you have tweets like this-https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1777390873518489613A international human-rights organization. That claims Walid Daqqa was just "a writer", not mentioning the fact that he was responsible for the torture and murder of a IDF soldier (I am not describing the torture method, if you are curious read the top comment in the tweet)The way they pharsed it make it seems like Walid was just a innocent writerSo, tell me, how can a global oraganization that claims to care about human-rights, doesn't care that he murdered a soldier, but just cares about how he died in custody?How can you justify this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/09/24 9:31:23 AM #153:	I've generally stayed out of this particular discussion, but I want to say a couple things here. First off, with regards to this particular news story: I looked into news articles and despite the many blue check marks elevating horrific stories to the top of the comments section, it seems that they're not accurate. "On 25 March 1986, Israeli forces arrested Walid Daqqah, then 24, a Palestinian citizen of Israel. In March 1987, an Israeli military court sentenced him to life imprisonment after convicting him of commanding the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)-affiliated group that had abducted and killed Israeli soldier Moshe Tamam in 1984. Daqqah was not convicted of carrying out the murder himself, but of commanding the group, an accusation he always rejected, and his conviction was based on British emergency regulations dating back to 1945, which require a much lower standard of proof for conviction than Israeli criminal law." So, he definitively was not convicted of murder (not even considering his denial of the charges against him, because admittedly, that is not concrete evidence and it's entirely possible what he IS being held for is accurate). Yet, all of these blue check marks of Twitter (which are amplified because Elon believes more money equals more free speech) seem to be repeating the same story about horrific torture committed SPECIFICALLY by Walid. So why is that? I mean, if you don't go out of your way to read the actual backstory on the case, you're going to see all of those posts saying the same thing and believe they're true, because if everyone is repeating it, it must be a fact. For readers like you, Nanis, the effect of this is twofold. First, repeating the same mistruth about why Walid was imprisoned paints him as a monster, and whether intentional or not, it carries with it a broad spanning implication. The message it sends is that "This one Palestinian tortured and killed an Israeli soldier, therefore it's like Palestinians want to torture and kill Israelis, full stop." So suddenly, the actions of one individual (which again, I want to stress, are not being reported accurately by blue check marks on Twitter) smear the collective. But second, and we saw this with your reaction...it creates a mindset that this person is a monster and therefore anyone defending him must either be a monster themselves, or so stupid that they're not worth listening to. It forces you to retreat back into yourself as though you're personally under attack, because these monsters and idiots keep speaking out against your country and they're evil and wrong, and it prevents you from considering anything they have to say. Now, I understand that you are in a very tough position. I understand that Israel is a very unique country in that it was created as a haven for those who had unspeakable acts of evil committed against them in World War II, and there isn't another strictly-Jewish nation on Earth, compared to countless Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. nations. And additionally, I understand that Israel's conscription laws mean that you had to enlist and serve in the IDF as part of your citizenship, so when you see people criticizing the actions of the IDF, that feels like a personal attack since that's part of who you are; that's part of what being an Israeli citizen is. I feel like a lot of progressives (and I want to make this very clear to the progressives who can't seem to understand why we haven't unilaterally abandoned Israel as an ally: a lot of Americans still support Israel hardcore for a variety of reasons) see the conflict going on and feel like it's a chance to make a difference in a way that they never could with regards to American acts of international aggression. It's a lot easier to look abroad and criticize another country's actions than to get your own country to shape up...hence twenty years in Afghanistan. It does feel like a lot of the outrage is just broadly painting Israel in a bad light, even though it's very clearly the fault of Netanyahu, who specifically propped up Hamas as Palestinian opposition so that he could appear as a strong man when he took a harsh stance against them. And recent weeks have certainly seemed to start tilting things a bit more harshly towards anti-semitism, as we've even seen islamaphobic right wing pundits getting in on the action (Candace Owens, Alex Jones). But at the same time, criticizing Israel's leadership (who ARE exacerbating the problem and have created the conditions for Hamas' rise in the first place) is not anti-Semitic. There are horrible atrocities being committed by the IDF at the behest of the the Israeli government, and the people outraged at that are feeling the same emotion you felt reading those comments about Wahid being a torturous terrorist. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:979818101] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I've generally stayed out of this particular discussion, but I want to say a couple things here.First off, with regards to this particular news story: I looked into news articles and despite the many blue check marks elevating horrific stories to the top of the comments section, it seems that they're not accurate."On 25 March 1986, Israeli forces arrested Walid Daqqah, then 24, a Palestinian citizen of Israel. In March 1987, an Israeli military court sentenced him to life imprisonment after convicting him of commanding the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)-affiliated group that had abducted and killed Israeli soldier Moshe Tamam in 1984. Daqqah was not convicted of carrying out the murder himself, but of commanding the group, an accusation he always rejected, and his conviction was based on British emergency regulations dating back to 1945, which require a much lower standard of proof for conviction than Israeli criminal law."So, he definitively was not convicted of murder (not even considering his denial of the charges against him, because admittedly, that is not concrete evidence and it's entirely possible what he IS being held for is accurate). Yet, all of these blue check marks of Twitter (which are amplified because Elon believes more money equals more free speech) seem to be repeating the same story about horrific torture committed SPECIFICALLY by Walid. So why is that? I mean, if you don't go out of your way to read the actual backstory on the case, you're going to see all of those posts saying the same thing and believe they're true, because if everyone is repeating it, it must be a fact.For readers like you, Nanis, the effect of this is twofold. First, repeating the same mistruth about why Walid was imprisoned paints him as a monster, and whether intentional or not, it carries with it a broad spanning implication. The message it sends is that "This one Palestinian tortured and killed an Israeli soldier, therefore it's like Palestinians want to torture and kill Israelis, full stop." So suddenly, the actions of one individual (which again, I want to stress, are not being reported accurately by blue check marks on Twitter) smear the collective. But second, and we saw this with your reaction...it creates a mindset that this person is a monster and therefore anyone defending him must either be a monster themselves, or so stupid that they're not worth listening to. It forces you to retreat back into yourself as though you're personally under attack, because these monsters and idiots keep speaking out against your country and they're evil and wrong, and it prevents you from considering anything they have to say.Now, I understand that you are in a very tough position. I understand that Israel is a very unique country in that it was created as a haven for those who had unspeakable acts of evil committed against them in World War II, and there isn't another strictly-Jewish nation on Earth, compared to countless Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. nations. And additionally, I understand that Israel's conscription laws mean that you had to enlist and serve in the IDF as part of your citizenship, so when you see people criticizing the actions of the IDF, that feels like a personal attack since that's part of who you are; that's part of what being an Israeli citizen is.I feel like a lot of progressives (and I want to make this very clear to the progressives who can't seem to understand why we haven't unilaterally abandoned Israel as an ally: a lot of Americans still support Israel hardcore for a variety of reasons) see the conflict going on and feel like it's a chance to make a difference in a way that they never could with regards to American acts of international aggression. It's a lot easier to look abroad and criticize another country's actions than to get your own country to shape up...hence twenty years in Afghanistan.It does feel like a lot of the outrage is just broadly painting Israel in a bad light, even though it's very clearly the fault of Netanyahu, who specifically propped up Hamas as Palestinian opposition so that he could appear as a strong man when he took a harsh stance against them. And recent weeks have certainly seemed to start tilting things a bit more harshly towards anti-semitism, as we've even seen islamaphobic right wing pundits getting in on the action (Candace Owens, Alex Jones). But at the same time, criticizing Israel's leadership (who ARE exacerbating the problem and have created the conditions for Hamas' rise in the first place) is not anti-Semitic. There are horrible atrocities being committed by the IDF at the behest of the the Israeli government, and the people outraged at that are feeling the same emotion you felt reading those comments about Wahid being a torturous terrorist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/09/24 10:36:42 AM #154:	Not simply for this story, but in general I can't begin to convey how much the reliability of Twitter replies to contain any accurate information whatsoever is inversely proportional to the number of people replying. Twitter won't even load comments past a certain point so literally everyone there has paid for it. To put it another way, we somehow live in a world where the top YouTube comments are a more accurate source of information than the top Twitter replies. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979818799] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Not simply for this story, but in general I can't begin to convey how much the reliability of Twitter replies to contain any accurate information whatsoever is inversely proportional to the number of people replying. Twitter won't even load comments past a certain point so literally everyone there has paid for it.To put it another way, we somehow live in a world where the top YouTube comments are a more accurate source of information than the top Twitter replies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/09/24 11:00:08 AM #155:	As much as people shit on it now, Twitter as a source of information was a fairly amazing tool in the before times. Now, a verified account being promoted to the top of the list is almost guaranteed to be spouting nothing but made up shit, since 90%+ of the people paying to use the platform are grifters and people desperate for attention. You have to scroll past the check marks to reach the "real" comments, since nobody with that little blue circle has any value as a person whatsoever. --- https://i.ibb.co/Twbb1b6/20240223-211737.jpg https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:979819079] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>As much as people shit on it now, Twitter as a source of information was a fairly amazing tool in the before times.Now, a verified account being promoted to the top of the list is almost guaranteed to be spouting nothing but made up shit, since 90%+ of the people paying to use the platform are grifters and people desperate for attention. You have to scroll past the check marks to reach the "real" comments, since nobody with that little blue circle has any value as a person whatsoever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/09/24 11:18:06 AM #156:	UshiromiyaEva posted... As much as people shit on it now, Twitter as a source of information was a fairly amazing tool in the before times. Now, a verified account being promoted to the top of the list is almost guaranteed to be spouting nothing but made up shit, since 90%+ of the people paying to use the platform are grifters and people desperate for attention. You have to scroll past the check marks to reach the "real" comments, since nobody with that little blue circle has any value as a person whatsoever. If anybody ever creates a script or viewing app that auto hides all verified accounts, they'll be a god damn hero. Oh that exists, but not on the app which is how most people use Twitter. It even knows the difference between people that paid and people that were "given" Blue, apparently. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979819270] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite><quote>As much as people shit on it now, Twitter as a source of information was a fairly amazing tool in the before times.Now, a verified account being promoted to the top of the list is almost guaranteed to be spouting nothing but made up shit, since 90%+ of the people paying to use the platform are grifters and people desperate for attention. You have to scroll past the check marks to reach the "real" comments, since nobody with that little blue circle has any value as a person whatsoever.If anybody ever creates a script or viewing app that auto hides all verified accounts, they'll be a god damn hero.</quote>Oh that exists, but not on the app which is how most people use Twitter.It even knows the difference between people that paid and people that were "given" Blue, apparently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 04/09/24 12:16:06 PM #157:	Even if we assume that the things Nanis linked was 100% true, what does an article or Twitter thread have to do with getting warned on GameFAQs?? Whether your point is "I said something offensive and got warned, but look at this other offensive thing!" Or "I called someone (on board 8) anti-Semitic, but look at this other person (not on board 8). They are a REAL anti-Semite" That's not the gotcha you think it is. --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:979820022] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Even if we assume that the things Nanis linked was 100% true, what does an article or Twitter thread have to do with getting warned on GameFAQs??Whether your point is"I said something offensive and got warned, but look at this other offensive thing!"Or"I called someone (on board 8) anti-Semitic, but look at this other person (not on board 8). They are a REAL anti-Semite"That's not the gotcha you think it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/09/24 12:45:01 PM #158:	My Twitter "For You" page just served me a tweet with 10k likes that says "Walid Daqqah personally tortured and killed a 19 year old", and the countless replies of Zionists being like "They don't care because they love that he did that!" are especially wild when even Israel doesn't say he personally did that. Imagine if any 25 year old IDF 4 star general was held to that standard and imprisoned for 30 years because subordinates allegedly tortured someone. Basically the entire IDF would be in prison. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:979820478] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>My Twitter "For You" page just served me a tweet with 10k likes that says "Walid Daqqah personally tortured and killed a 19 year old", and the countless replies of Zionists being like "They don't care because they love that he did that!" are especially wild when even Israel doesn't say he personally did that. Imagine if any 25 year old IDF 4 star general was held to that standard and imprisoned for 30 years because subordinates allegedly tortured someone. Basically the entire IDF would be in prison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 04/09/24 1:30:50 PM #159:	Arizona's Supreme Court rules that a 1864 law that outlaws abortion from the moment of conception (with the sole exception being life of the mother) is in effect. The law also has doctors facing 2-5 years in prison. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/us/arizona-abortion-ban.html It was a 4-2 decision (1 justice recused themselves; all 7 were appointed by Republicans.) Arizona already had in place a 15-week ban signed in 2022 - but this ruling revives a law all the way from back when Arizona was a territory --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:979821238] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Arizona's Supreme Court rules that a 1864 law that outlaws abortion from the moment of conception (with the sole exception being life of the mother) is in effect. The law also has doctors facing 2-5 years in prison. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/us/arizona-abortion-ban.html It was a 4-2 decision (1 justice recused themselves; all 7 were appointed by Republicans.) Arizona already had in place a 15-week ban signed in 2022 - but this ruling revives a law all the way from back when Arizona was a territory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 04/09/24 1:36:12 PM #160:	1800s laws are what they want. Meant more oppressed people <cite>swordz9 posted [p:979821323] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>1800s laws are what they want. Meant more oppressed people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/09/24 2:28:01 PM #161:	https://abcnews.go.com/US/jennifer-james-crumbley-parents-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced/story?id=108900929 The Crumbleys sentenced to 10-15 years. Well deserved. I'm sure the NRA and the right wing will be helping them appeal, though. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:979822142] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>https://abcnews.go.com/US/jennifer-james-crumbley-parents-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced/story?id=108900929The Crumbleys sentenced to 10-15 years. Well deserved. I'm sure the NRA and the right wing will be helping them appeal, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 04/09/24 3:13:42 PM #162:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Imagine if any 25 year old IDF 4 star general was held to that standard and imprisoned for 30 years because subordinates allegedly tortured someone. Basically the entire IDF would be in prison. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc8024dc.jpg --- "You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry." <cite>Kenri posted [p:979822937] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite><quote>Imagine if any 25 year old IDF 4 star general was held to that standard and imprisoned for 30 years because subordinates allegedly tortured someone. Basically the entire IDF would be in prison.</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc8024dc.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/09/24 4:30:43 PM #163:	Dancedreamer posted... https://abcnews.go.com/US/jennifer-james-crumbley-parents-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced/story?id=108900929 The Crumbleys sentenced to 10-15 years. Well deserved. I'm sure the NRA and the right wing will be helping them appeal, though. Were they not helping them already? Because I feel like of all things I've ran into very little uproar over them. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979824202] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite><quote>https://abcnews.go.com/US/jennifer-james-crumbley-parents-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced/story?id=108900929The Crumbleys sentenced to 10-15 years. Well deserved. I'm sure the NRA and the right wing will be helping them appeal, though.</quote>Were they not helping them already? Because I feel like of all things I've ran into very little uproar over them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/09/24 5:53:07 PM #164:	https://twitter.com/briannawu/status/1777641403817840873?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ Brianna Wu being an absolute dolt and getting 6k likes for it. Zionists are insane. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:979825464] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/briannawu/status/1777641403817840873?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQBrianna Wu being an absolute dolt and getting 6k likes for it. Zionists are insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/09/24 6:41:08 PM #165:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Brianna Wu being an absolute dolt and getting 6k likes for it. So it's another day ending in "y" I see. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979826111] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite><quote>Brianna Wu being an absolute dolt and getting 6k likes for it.</quote>So it's another day ending in "y" I see. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/09/24 8:56:44 PM #166:	Really sick of Republicans saying "All Roe V Wade did was give the decision back to the states." as if that didn't enable those states to enact draconian anti-abortion laws or anything. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:979828204] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Really sick of Republicans saying "All Roe V Wade did was give the decision back to the states." as if that didn't enable those states to enact draconian anti-abortion laws or anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 04/09/24 9:01:23 PM #167:	Dancedreamer posted... Really sick of Republicans saying "All Roe V Wade did was give the decision back to the states." as if that didn't enable those states to enact draconian anti-abortion laws or anything. It's just sliding the goalposts around to try and make it seem like they're not extremists and to pretend like "oh this wasn't a seismic change or anything, the democrats are just trying to scare you. why are you so worked up?" Hell, Trump already got attacked from multiple people on the right when he stated that (and media misreported it as him saying that he believed it should be left to the states when the reality was he just stated the reality that because of Dobbs it is now currently left to the states - he notably did not say what he'd do if a federal ban passed Congress and came to him) because they felt he was ceding the matter of a federal ban (their next step) to the Democrats. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:979828279] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite><quote>Really sick of Republicans saying "All Roe V Wade did was give the decision back to the states." as if that didn't enable those states to enact draconian anti-abortion laws or anything.</quote>It's just sliding the goalposts around to try and make it seem like they're not extremists and to pretend like "oh this wasn't a seismic change or anything, the democrats are just trying to scare you. why are you so worked up?"Hell, Trump already got attacked from multiple people on the right when he stated that (and media misreported it as him saying that he believed it should be left to the states when the reality was he just stated the reality that because of Dobbs it is now currently left to the states - he notably did not say what he'd do if a federal ban passed Congress and came to him) because they felt he was ceding the matter of a federal ban (their next step) to the Democrats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/09/24 9:05:23 PM #168:	This is a very small thing compared to the other stuff being discussed, but I like it as an example of subtle, low-key fuckery that pops up all the time in popular news media. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-seeks-cancel-some-interest-student-loans-aiding-23-million-americans-2024-04-08/ Title: 'Biden plans to cancel student loan debt, 23 million Americans may be impacted' Why use the word 'impacted', a word with clear negative connotations, unless you were trying to frame student loan relief as bad? --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979828364] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>This is a very small thing compared to the other stuff being discussed, but I like it as an example of subtle, low-key fuckery that pops up all the time in popular news media.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-seeks-cancel-some-interest-student-loans-aiding-23-million-americans-2024-04-08/Title: 'Biden plans to cancel student loan debt, 23 million Americans may be impacted'Why use the word 'impacted', a word with clear negative connotations, unless you were trying to frame student loan relief as bad? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blaziken 04/09/24 9:09:40 PM #169:	I generally give AP and Reuters a bit more leeway, so I'm trying to think of another verb that could work without swinging the pendulum in the other direction. Maybe affected? --- Inviso thinks all starters should be Fire/Fighting. http://i.imgur.com/oOSm64C.gif <cite>Blaziken posted [p:979828437] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I generally give AP and Reuters a bit more leeway, so I'm trying to think of another verb that could work without swinging the pendulum in the other direction. Maybe affected? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 04/09/24 9:58:22 PM #170:	Blaziken posted... I generally give AP and Reuters a bit more leeway, so I'm trying to think of another verb that could work without swinging the pendulum in the other direction. Maybe affected? How about "biden-seeks-cancel-some-interest-student-loans-aiding-23-million-americans" as a headline? --- List the ominous stern whisper from the delphic cave within: They enslave their children's children who make compromise with sin <cite>NFUN posted [p:979829109] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Blaziken posted... </cite><quote>I generally give AP and Reuters a bit more leeway, so I'm trying to think of another verb that could work without swinging the pendulum in the other direction. Maybe affected?</quote>How about "biden-seeks-cancel-some-interest-student-loans-aiding-23-million-americans" as a headline? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheManaSword 04/09/24 10:47:21 PM #171:	may be eligible its very easy to come up with a more neutral way to say it --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>TheManaSword posted [p:979829804] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>may be eligibleits very easy to come up with a more neutral way to say it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 04/10/24 8:03:40 AM #172:	I don't really understand what Biden has done any differently from Hillary Clinton campaign-wise, yet somehow he's nowhere near as controversial. Don't get it. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:979833702] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I don't really understand what Biden has done any differently from Hillary Clinton campaign-wise, yet somehow he's nowhere near as controversial. Don't get it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/10/24 10:23:29 AM #173:	https://twitter.com/ammarmufasa/status/1777795847381532949 Turns out having to spend all your money on legal fees may actually have consequences? --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979835289] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ammarmufasa/status/1777795847381532949Turns out having to spend all your money on legal fees may actually have consequences? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 04/10/24 10:31:46 AM #174:	I'm all for seeing Donald lose. Also though, with both candidates having insane name recognition and Donald beating Hillary despite lower spending in 2016, I am cautious about cheering much at this yet. I also don't know how to coincide this information with reports earlier this campaign about how much more professionally Donald's campaigning now than how his 2016-campaign went. Did that change? Or am I conflating old news or different aspects here? Just happy about that news but worried about its potential lack of impact at the moment. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:979835374] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I'm all for seeing Donald lose. Also though, with both candidates having insane name recognition and Donald beating Hillary despite lower spending in 2016, I am cautious about cheering much at this yet. I also don't know how to coincide this information with reports earlier this campaign about how much more professionally Donald's campaigning now than how his 2016-campaign went. Did that change? Or am I conflating old news or different aspects here? Just happy about that news but worried about its potential lack of impact at the moment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/10/24 10:42:27 AM #175:	I mean whatever problems they had in 2016 it sure as shit was never, at any point, money. They raised concerns at some point but it was really just never actually all that bad and a weird fake "humble-brag" to talk about how much Trump could just self-finance. But no I'm not out here unfurling the "Mission Accomplished!" banners either. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979835510] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I mean whatever problems they had in 2016 it sure as shit was never, at any point, money. They raised concerns at some point but it was really just never actually all that bad and a weird fake "humble-brag" to talk about how much Trump could just self-finance.But no I'm not out here unfurling the "Mission Accomplished!" banners either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 04/10/24 3:12:26 PM #176:	Trump was in a completely different place in 2016 to be fair. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:979839530] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Trump was in a completely different place in 2016 to be fair. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red_sox_777 04/10/24 3:34:24 PM #177:	Money is very overrated in terms of presidential campaigns. Everyone has already heard of both Trump and Biden; throwing an extra $500 million at campaigning just doesn't move the needle much. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red_sox_777 posted [p:979839886] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Money is very overrated in terms of presidential campaigns. Everyone has already heard of both Trump and Biden; throwing an extra $500 million at campaigning just doesn't move the needle much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ivysnow 04/10/24 3:37:51 PM #178:	money certainly only matters to a point, but it sounds like they're being actively hampered wrt staffing which is actually consequential. hillary's failure to campaign effectively in the rust belt affected her run badly. <cite>ivysnow posted [p:979839933] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>money certainly only matters to a point, but it sounds like they're being actively hampered wrt staffing which is actually consequential. hillary's failure to campaign effectively in the rust belt affected her run badly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/10/24 3:56:15 PM #179:	I'm terrified of this election. There are people still so deeply in love with Trump, and people are turning on Biden. And i feel like if Trump wins, so much worse is to come. Whether or not they enact Project 2025 or not. I really hope closer to election people start realizing what's at stake. Because if not, we might be even more fucked than we already are. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:979840187] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I'm terrified of this election. There are people still so deeply in love with Trump, and people are turning on Biden. And i feel like if Trump wins, so much worse is to come. Whether or not they enact Project 2025 or not. I really hope closer to election people start realizing what's at stake. Because if not, we might be even more fucked than we already are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/10/24 6:31:04 PM #180:	https://twitter.com/TotalSeasons/status/1778123502639354068 I can't --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:979842377] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/TotalSeasons/status/1778123502639354068I can't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/10/24 6:34:18 PM #181:	Holy fuck I had completely forgotten about that fiasco. --- https://i.ibb.co/Twbb1b6/20240223-211737.jpg https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:979842426] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Holy fuck I had completely forgotten about that fiasco. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/10/24 6:43:56 PM #182:	The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979842544] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/10/24 6:51:53 PM #183:	The question I have is....like, we laugh at the total incompetence, but legitimately how bad has it gotten that someone set to defend the former president of the United States is making a mistake I wouldn't make selling a bag of grout over the phone? How has he surrounded himself with such incompetence? This isn't booking a hotel, this is a lawyer. Is the actual financial situation legitimately that bad that he can only receive legal aid from people as dumb as he is? --- https://i.ibb.co/Twbb1b6/20240223-211737.jpg https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:979842657] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>The question I have is....like, we laugh at the total incompetence, but legitimately how bad has it gotten that someone set to defend the former president of the United States is making a mistake I wouldn't make selling a bag of grout over the phone? How has he surrounded himself with such incompetence? This isn't booking a hotel, this is a lawyer. Is the actual financial situation legitimately that bad that he can only receive legal aid from people as dumb as he is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 04/10/24 6:54:18 PM #184:	Well he doesn't pay people who work for him so I imagine that limits his choices somewhat. --- "You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry." <cite>Kenri posted [p:979842688] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Well he doesn't pay people who work for him so I imagine that limits his choices somewhat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/10/24 6:59:50 PM #185:	Most lawyers straight up don't want the bad press of being linked to Trump, even if he did pay. Plus he has a tendency to cajole associates into committing crimes for his sake. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979842775] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Most lawyers straight up don't want the bad press of being linked to Trump, even if he did pay. Plus he has a tendency to cajole associates into committing crimes for his sake. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 04/10/24 7:20:02 PM #186:	KamikazePotato posted... The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples. Four seasons total landscaping legitimately top 10 funniest moments my brain can think of period. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:979843123] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples.</quote>Four seasons total landscaping legitimately top 10 funniest moments my brain can think of period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/10/24 7:23:58 PM #187:	KamikazePotato posted... The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples. I think all of them would be Trump moments. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:979843191] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. Feel free to offer counterexamples.</quote>I think all of them would be Trump moments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningStrikes 04/10/24 7:33:42 PM #188:	Yeah Four Seasons Total Landscaping is probably the funniest, but, topically, I am also quite fond of Trump staring at the eclipse. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>LightningStrikes posted [p:979843338] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Yeah Four Seasons Total Landscaping is probably the funniest, but, topically, I am also quite fond of Trump staring at the eclipse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/10/24 7:37:04 PM #189:	LightningStrikes posted... Yeah Four Seasons Total Landscaping is probably the funniest, but, topically, I am also quite fond of Trump staring at the eclipse. https://www.ign.com/articles/google-searches-for-eyes-hurt-spike-amid-solar-eclipse In case you ever need a reminder of why many people vote for Trump because he's 'relatable'. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979843408] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>LightningStrikes posted... </cite><quote>Yeah Four Seasons Total Landscaping is probably the funniest, but, topically, I am also quite fond of Trump staring at the eclipse.</quote>https://www.ign.com/articles/google-searches-for-eyes-hurt-spike-amid-solar-eclipseIn case you ever need a reminder of why many people vote for Trump because he's 'relatable'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/10/24 7:43:44 PM #190:	Also, here's the same energy being displayed by former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89562b02.jpg --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979843499] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Also, here's the same energy being displayed by former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/89562b02.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slykirby 04/10/24 9:54:10 PM #191:	As someone who works in the space industry, Pence touching a piece of flight hardware with a giant Do Not Touch sign on it while at NASA is up there. Especially since my company started using the pic in our training materials https://images.app.goo.gl/3R7zLZ5rnJAhCmzE7 --- https://i.imgur.com/c3jEuPS.jpg <cite>slykirby posted [p:979846066] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>As someone who works in the space industry, Pence touching a piece of flight hardware with a giant Do Not Touch sign on it while at NASA is up there. Especially since my company started using the pic in our training materials https://images.app.goo.gl/3R7zLZ5rnJAhCmzE7 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/10/24 11:48:53 PM #192:	Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:979847749] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/11/24 3:37:42 AM #193:	Jakyl25 posted... Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there See that's great but for some reason it gave me a feeling of dread when I saw it, like "Oh we've reached this stage of the asylum" Four Seasons was just pure comedy that hurt nothing except Republicans' feelings --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979849628] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite><quote>Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there</quote>See that's great but for some reason it gave me a feeling of dread when I saw it, like "Oh we've reached this stage of the asylum"Four Seasons was just pure comedy that hurt nothing except Republicans' feelings </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/11/24 8:46:03 AM #194:	https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1778051012760125538?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ Oh, word? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:979851576] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1778051012760125538?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQOh, word? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 04/11/24 9:05:24 AM #195:	Id enjoy seeing Rs reveal their crimes more if they actually saw prison time for it. Not sure how they think they will control the US at any point when theyd all throw each other under the bus without hesitation <cite>swordz9 posted [p:979851770] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Id enjoy seeing Rs reveal their crimes more if they actually saw prison time for it. Not sure how they think they will control the US at any point when theyd all throw each other under the bus without hesitation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PeaceFrog 04/11/24 9:06:47 AM #196:	Jakyl25 posted... Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there I really tried to forget about this debacle --- ~Peaf~ <cite>PeaceFrog posted [p:979851784] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite><quote>Extending the range of a hurricane with a Sharpie is up there</quote>I really tried to forget about this debacle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/11/24 5:50:11 PM #197:	That Twitter account where someone acted like a kid who was an Elon Musk fan that people thought might be a Musk alt has apparently been confirmed under oath to be his alt account. https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1777704463177744492?t=aStsN6a3-6fEfcuf5-GrjQ&s=19 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/00b5fbdc.jpg --- https://i.ibb.co/Twbb1b6/20240223-211737.jpg https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:979860021] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>That Twitter account where someone acted like a kid who was an Elon Musk fan that people thought might be a Musk alt has apparently been confirmed under oath to be his alt account.https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1777704463177744492?t=aStsN6a3-6fEfcuf5-GrjQ&s=19https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/00b5fbdc.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/11/24 5:54:20 PM #198:	KamikazePotato posted... The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics. I may have to issue a retraction --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:979860103] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping bit was, I think, the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of American politics.</quote>I may have to issue a retraction </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/11/24 6:10:12 PM #199:	Old thread because he basically stopped using it once the rumors started, but; https://twitter.com/bestofdyingtwit/status/1650674324209287169?t=VWGjbfG2Hmuwb7o1tWzcbg&s=19 --- https://i.ibb.co/Twbb1b6/20240223-211737.jpg https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:979860388] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>Old thread because he basically stopped using it once the rumors started, but;https://twitter.com/bestofdyingtwit/status/1650674324209287169?t=VWGjbfG2Hmuwb7o1tWzcbg&s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 04/11/24 8:36:15 PM #200:	I thought that was confirmed to be him ages ago but I'm probably just thinking of when the account was initially discovered (because like, it is so obviously him) --- "You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry." <cite>Kenri posted [p:979862489] in Politics C... [t:80732006]...</cite> <quote>I thought that was confirmed to be him ages ago but I'm probably just thinking of when the account was initially discovered (because like, it is so obviously him) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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