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Zithers
04/01/24 6:40:32 PM
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april fools lmfao !

cinema is forever doomed

  • digital photography - it is ugly and that makes it a bad fit for a visual medium
  • studios using all of their resources on anonymous "directors" making movies about your favorite video game, comic book, 80s/90s nostalgia IP, etc over and over instead of moving on to something else or letting a great filmmaker do something neat
  • new exciting filmmakers immediately selling out to make the lion king or barbie or television or whatever
  • legacy filmmakers inching closer and closer to death while flopping at the box office
  • streaming causing people to not go to the theater and enjoy the communal experience on the biggest screen and loudest sound system, opting to scroll around on their phone or do chores to the point where they need a youtube explainer of the movie since they didn't actually watch it
  • dominant, most popular cinematic language being either solemn dirges by nolan/villeneuve with no verve OR cgi/blue screen/volume vfx driven 'spectacle' with no craft whatsoever and reddit quips and easter eggs to make people soy face


rest in peace to cinema can i get an f in chat ce?

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Torgo
04/01/24 6:43:32 PM
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Zithers posted...
digital photography - it is ugly and that makes it a bad fit for a visual medium

Wrong on this one.

Digital photography is just a tool. What happens is that it makes things much easier and the process faster and cheaper than analog editing, so there's often less thought and care that goes into shots - "We'll fix it in post" instead of insisting on getting the shot right in camera.


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CyborgSage00x0
04/01/24 6:45:04 PM
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Zithers posted...
studios using all of their resources on anonymous "directors" making movies about your favorite video game, comic book, 80s/90s nostalgia IP, etc over and over instead of moving on to something else or letting a great filmmaker do something neat
This isn't always a good thing, although I guess it depends on what counts as "neat."

Source - I am on such film now and it blows anus. But that's also working on one vs. seeing the end product

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Jagr_68
04/01/24 6:47:52 PM
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One day TC is praising these indie filmmakers and A24 concept movies saving cinema and then will totally shit on the arthouse flicks actually making headlines the next day for being boring, conceited or pretentious.

Pick a theme and stick with it please.

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Damn_Underscore
04/01/24 6:48:11 PM
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Stanley Kubrick is the GOAT

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bsp77
04/01/24 6:51:38 PM
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Just saw a very cool horror flick in the theater - Late Night with the Devil

Highly recommended for fans of original horror

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Vicious_Dios
04/01/24 6:55:45 PM
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Zithers posted...
april fools lmfao !

cinema is forever doomed

I laughed way too hard at this, but TC is speaking his shit ngl. Kind of sad, if you think about it. Cinema really has taken a nosedive with no end in sight.


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Zithers
04/01/24 7:05:42 PM
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Torgo posted...
Wrong on this one.

Digital photography is just a tool. What happens is that it makes things much easier and the process faster and cheaper than analog editing, so there's often less thought and care that goes into shots - "We'll fix it in post" instead of insisting on getting the shot right in camera.

and this thought process being so pervasive is why it is a scourge to the artform. had it never existed and we stuck with film, everything would look substantially better. now almost no one uses film anymore and shit looks fuckin terrible. the end.

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Zithers
04/01/24 7:09:27 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
One day TC is praising these indie filmmakers and A24 concept movies saving cinema and then will totally shit on the arthouse flicks actually making headlines the next day for being boring, conceited or pretentious.

Pick a theme and stick with it please.

i have never said a24 or any indie filmmakers are saving anything. because cinema is dead.

bsp77 posted...
Just saw a very cool horror flick in the theater - Late Night with the Devil

Highly recommended for fans of original horror

bsp went and gave money to the movie that used ai... gross! immoral. what is wrong with you?

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Gwynevere
04/01/24 7:11:48 PM
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Didn't read any of that but thanks for sharing

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Zithers
04/01/24 11:12:46 PM
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bump before this topic is too old

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-ZIO-
04/01/24 11:55:22 PM
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I don't go to the theater because I don't like kids. I also don't like people. I also don't like loud noises. Sounds like a net negative for me.

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Zithers
04/02/24 5:43:54 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
I don't go to the theater because I don't like kids. I also don't like people. I also don't like loud noises. Sounds like a net negative for me.

why are you watching movies that kids want to go see..... ?

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DrizztLink
04/02/24 5:50:53 PM
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Zithers posted...
because cinema is dead.
Does that mean you'll shut the fuck up about it?

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Jiek_Fafn
04/02/24 5:55:49 PM
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Press F to shut the fuck up

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 5:58:38 PM
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There's plenty of movies shot on film that look like shit and plenty of movies shot on digital that look great.

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bsp77
04/02/24 5:59:01 PM
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Zithers posted...
why are you watching movies that kids want to go see..... ?
Kids come to tons of things they shouldn't

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:08:06 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There's plenty of movies shot on film that look like shit and plenty of movies shot on digital that look great.

and yet! all the best looking movies are shot on film and all the worst looking ones are shot on digital. furthermore the baseline for how good movies look has lowered over time as digital is used more often. how do you explain this?

bsp77 posted...
Kids come to tons of things they shouldn't

really not my experience i guess. don't think i saw any kids at my screening of the iron claw or ferrari or perfect days. interesting.

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random_man9119
04/02/24 6:11:33 PM
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Zithers posted...
why are you watching movies that kids want to go see..... ?

Probably because kids movies are fun...

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bsp77
04/02/24 6:13:51 PM
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Zithers posted...
and yet! all the best looking movies are shot on film and all the worst looking ones are shot on digital. furthermore the baseline for how good movies look has lowered over time as digital is used more often. how do you explain this?

really not my experience i guess. don't think i saw any kids at my screening of the iron claw or ferrari or perfect days. interesting.
I didn't for those 3 specific movies either lol

I would say don't be contrarian, but that is your MO

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:14:33 PM
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random_man9119 posted...
Probably because kids movies are fun...

whoa. so there no non kids movies that are fun to have EVER been made? wtf!!!!! that's crazy !!!

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archizzy
04/02/24 6:15:59 PM
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For me it bums me out a bit, but Im almost 50 so I had a good run and can still just replay and enjoy the classics. In fact I think Ill pop in my blu-ray of Jeremiah Johnson tonight for another watch. Westerns are my favorite genre and I find myself just rewatching the things I love or watching an older movie I havent seen vs new stuff.

There is sufficient enough stuff out there to keep me busy. Its kind of like many people could go the rest of their lives on their backlog of retro games without having to care about the current state of gaming if they are dissatisfied.

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:16:30 PM
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bsp77 posted...
I didn't for those 3 specific movies either lol

I would say don't be contrarian, but that is your MO

what is contrarian about not seeing kids at movies... ?

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DrizztLink
04/02/24 6:16:41 PM
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Zithers posted...
whoa. so there no non kids movies that are fun to have EVER been made? wtf!!!!! that's crazy !!!
Do you like movies so much because you can't read?

It's the only explanation for fucking up understanding that post so thoroughly.

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Giant_Aspirin
04/02/24 6:18:00 PM
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i agree that movies are in the worst spot, creatively, i've seen in my lifetime. its just remake after sequel after nostalgia grab and it's so tiring.

but there are so many great movies from the past i haven't seen, there's no way i have time to watch them all.

have you tried the Criterion Channel?

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random_man9119
04/02/24 6:18:50 PM
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Zithers posted...
whoa. so there no non kids movies that are fun to have EVER been made? wtf!!!!! that's crazy !!!

Definitely not what I meant... But overreacting is kind of your whole shtick so I shouldn't be shocked...

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:18:53 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i agree that movies are in the worst spot, creatively, i've seen in my lifetime. its just remake after sequel after nostalgia grab and it's so tiring.

but there are so many great movies from the past i haven't seen, there's no way i have time to watch them all.

have you tried the Criterion Channel?

i'm a charter subscriber bro. also watch lots of turner classic movies.

old movies hell yeah

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 6:26:01 PM
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Zithers posted...
and yet! all the best looking movies are shot on film and all the worst looking ones are shot on digital. furthermore the baseline for how good movies look has lowered over time as digital is used more often. how do you explain this?
This isn't really true. The worst looking films definitely were shot on film lol plus there's a shit ton of great looking films shot on digital that could be contenders.

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:37:15 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
This isn't really true. The worst looking films definitely were shot on film lol plus there's a shit ton of great looking films shot on digital that could be contenders.

are you sure about that. the tragedy of macbeth and mank were both shot digitally and are the ugliest movies ever made.

which digital movies are contenders..... ?

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bsp77
04/02/24 6:37:51 PM
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Zithers posted...
the tragedy of macbeth and mank were both shot digitally and are the ugliest movies ever made.
Lolol

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Zithers
04/02/24 6:57:06 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Lolol

i genuinely believe it should be illegal to shoot black and white digital. punishable by death maybe.

so fucking ugly. mank doing the fake cigarette burns to emulate an old 40s movie with the hairs and dirt and stuff too but.... then shooting widescreen... on top of it looking like dog shit.... just fuckin stupid. such a dog shit movie. cant believe fincher made that garbage.

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 6:57:15 PM
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Zithers posted...
are you sure about that. the tragedy of macbeth and mank were both shot digitally and are the ugliest movies ever made.

which digital movies are contenders..... ?
Parasite, Apocalypto, Collateral etc etc.

On the flipside we have a whole decade of movies shot on film influenced by JJ Abrams lmao

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Zithers
04/02/24 7:01:09 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Parasite, Apocalypto, Collateral etc etc.

On the flipside we have a whole decade of movies shot on film influenced by JJ Abrams lmao

havent seen latter two in awhile. never heard of anyone saying parasite is among the best looking movies of 2019, much less ever, tho.

no clue what the jj abrams comment is on about. was memoria influenced by him? or asteroid city?

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 7:05:50 PM
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Zithers posted...
havent seen latter two in awhile. never heard of anyone saying parasite is among the best looking movies of 2019, much less ever, tho.

no clue what the jj abrams comment is on about. was memoria influenced by him? or asteroid city?
It was easily the best shot film in 2019. And Roma was shot digitally in black and white and looked phenomenal.

You said the ugliest films were digital. There's a whole decade of movies shot on film that had JJ Abrams' stink on it that are much uglier than anything shot digitally.

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Zithers
04/02/24 7:08:58 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
It was easily the best shot film in 2019. And Roma was shot digitally in black and white and looked phenomenal.

You said the ugliest films were digital. There's a whole decade of movies shot on film that had JJ Abrams' stink on it that are much uglier than anything shot digitally.

right... well... knowing that i quit the industry and you continue to work in it with these kinds of opinions only further solidifies my belief that cinema is done for

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bsp77
04/02/24 7:10:03 PM
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Zithers posted...
right... well... knowing that i quit the industry and you continue to work in it with these kinds of opinions only further solidifies my belief that cinema is done for
I will take smashingpmkns opinions over yours any day, even if I argue with him too

Are you going to bring up the same tired old thing again as your zinger?

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Zithers
04/02/24 7:12:36 PM
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bsp77 posted...
I will take smashingpmkns opinions over yours any day, even if I argue with him too

Are you going to bring up the same tired old thing again as your zinger?

well he does seem to be a populist and have pretty basic letterboxd/reddit/oscar taste, so i'm not surprised you lean towards him

feel free to let me know some of your other takes besides living > ikiru if you want me to bring up something fresh btw, definitely interested in learning more

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 7:23:17 PM
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Zithers posted...
right... well... knowing that i quit the industry and you continue to work in it with these kinds of opinions only further solidifies my belief that cinema is done for
Quitting cuz you couldn't make it is clown shit tbh. And I'm like one out of the three 1sts in my state that get hired solely because we know how to load. So I dunno, probably got a lot more knowledge on the matter than you lol

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Jiek_Fafn
04/02/24 7:25:07 PM
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TC makes trolling topic. I get hit for trolling. He's a goddamn mastermind

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bsp77
04/02/24 7:28:52 PM
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Zithers posted...
well he does seem to be a populist and have pretty basic letterboxd/reddit/oscar taste, so i'm not surprised you lean towards him

feel free to let me know some of your other takes besides living > ikiru if you want me to bring up something fresh btw, definitely interested in learning more
See, you did go there? :)

You want more ammo? Here are my top 10 movies from this decade, in order:

Dune Part 2
Everything Everywhere All at Once
Dune (Part 1)
Across the Spider-Verse
Top Gun: Maverick
Poor Things
Oppenheimer
John Wick Chapter 4
Soul
Banshees of Inisherin


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Zithers
04/02/24 7:33:38 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Quitting cuz you couldn't make it is clown shit tbh. And I'm like one out of the three 1sts in my state that get hired solely because we know how to load. So I dunno, probably got a lot more knowledge on the matter than you lol

well i never intended on making it. i always wanted to just get some editing experience and then move back to nyc (los angeles is terrible and i hope it falls into the ocean soon) to work on commercials or otherwise freelance in the corporate world. i preferred doing those gigs (few and far between sadly) to working on feature stuff.

anyway i skim various filmmaker subreddits all the time where people are talking up how much work they get and how they're so fucking pro, like you are right now, and yet they spout the same basic movie takes. sorry to say i am not impressed! glad you're having fun living out your dream of destroying the medium tho.

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Zithers
04/02/24 7:35:46 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
TC makes trolling topic. I get hit for trolling. He's a goddamn mastermind

if you disagree with my points in the OP that is... uh... not trolling. that's you disagreeing with me. consider learning the difference.

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Smashingpmkns
04/02/24 7:42:09 PM
#45:


Zithers posted...
well i never intended on making it. i always wanted to just get some editing experience and then move back to nyc (los angeles is terrible and i hope it falls into the ocean soon) to work on commercials or otherwise freelance in the corporate world. i preferred doing those gigs (few and far between sadly) to working on feature stuff.

anyway i skim various filmmaker subreddits all the time where people are talking up how much work they get and how they're so fucking pro, like you are right now, and yet they spout the same basic movie takes. sorry to say i am not impressed! glad you're having fun living out your dream of destroying the medium tho.
You quit supposedly because no one shoots on film anymore (which is false, toss a stone in LA and you'll hit a low to mid budget movie set shooting on film) but you want to work in commercial/corporate video? Lmaooo

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Zithers
04/02/24 7:45:15 PM
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thank you bsp. will review below. feel free to do the same for me. was hoping for some x > y takes if you have any loaded in the chamber.

bsp77 posted...
See, you did go there? :)

You want more ammo? Here are my top 10 movies from this decade, in order:

Dune Part 2 - acceptable blockbuster
Everything Everywhere All at Once - bad
Dune (Part 1) - even worse, not even really a movie
Across the Spider-Verse - not going to watch this
Top Gun: Maverick - good
Poor Things - good if mark ruffalo is on screen bad when not
Oppenheimer - bad
John Wick Chapter 4 - good
Soul - didn't see sorry but i like pixar's metaphysical ideas as bureaucracies movies
Banshees of Inisherin - its fine

what are my top 10 of the 2020s hmmmm

maybe something like drive my car, the fabelmans, killers of the flower moon, licorice pizza, red rocket, the last duel, crimes of the future, asteroid city, afire, avatar the way of water.... ? no five star movies on letterboxd, might give the first four or five a 4.5, rest are 4s

hope i can get a solid ten 4.5s finally by the end of this year but a bit worried. slate is looking poor cuz of strikes i guess. got foreign stuff at least. new hamaguchi soon. gotta go see the rohrwacher and jude this weekend maybe. hoping some exciting stuff is at the festivals. 2024 rankings so far btw:

drive away dolls > dune 2

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hockeybabe89
04/02/24 7:45:32 PM
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Someone needs to make a great barber movie

Cinema would be shaved

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archizzy
04/02/24 7:46:22 PM
#48:


bsp77 posted...
See, you did go there? :)

You want more ammo? Here are my top 10 movies from this decade, in order:

Dune Part 2
Everything Everywhere All at Once
Dune (Part 1)
Across the Spider-Verse
Top Gun: Maverick
Poor Things
Oppenheimer
John Wick Chapter 4
Soul
Banshees of Inisherin

I just want to say I watched The Banshees of Inisherin just randomly because I highly enjoy Brendan Gleeson and usually enjoy Colin Farrell especially in sort of off the beaten path movies like The Lobster and some of the other stuff he had been in.

I thought the movie would have some nice scenery and was intrigued by the premise. I highly enjoyed this film. Never hardly see anyone else ever mention it. So its nice to see.


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bsp77
04/02/24 7:49:03 PM
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Zithers posted...
thank you bsp. will review below. feel free to do the same for me. was hoping for some x > y takes if you have any loaded in the chamber.

what are my top 10 of the 2020s hmmmm

maybe something like drive my car, the fabelmans, killers of the flower moon, licorice pizza, red rocket, the last duel, crimes of the future, asteroid city, afire, avatar the way of water.... ? no five star movies on letterboxd, might give the first four or five a 4.5, rest are 4s
I still need to see Red Rocket and admittedly hadn't heard of Afire. Curious now. I gave the rest of those 4 or 4.5 on Letterboxd. Except Licorice Pizza. 3.5. Weakest PTA IMO.



hope i can get a solid ten 4.5s finally by the end of this year but a bit worried. slate is looking poor cuz of strikes i guess. got foreign stuff at least. new hamaguchi soon. gotta go see the rohrwacher and jude this weekend maybe. hoping some exciting stuff is at the festivals. 2024 rankings so far btw:

drive away dolls > dune 2
Drive Away Dolls? I found that to be a colossal disappointment. We need the Coens back together.

I am seeing Monkey Man this weekend and excited for Civil War next weekend.

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