Current Events > FFXVI Big DLC coming this thursday!

(+) Yeah! (+)

Along with the release there will also be a patch with a lot of fixes and updates which new cutscenes among a lot of stuff. Sounds good. Probably wouldve reviewed sliiightly better with these updates from the get go.

https://twitter.com/Dreamboum/status/1779859717709283455

Nothing like Roman numerals and mild dyslexia. Thought this was an update for FFXIV and got excited.

I've been waiting for the DLC to drop so I can do my hard mode playthrough and get the platinum

Remember when FF16 was supposed to be complete day 1

Too little, too late. I loved FF16 and now I don't even remember the basic controls anymore. Rebirth destroyed any chance of FF16 DLC being relevant.

Raikuro posted...

Remember when FF16 was supposed to be complete day 1

Considering it already is, yeah.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Considering it already is, yeah.

Needing to patch in fixes and cutscenes means you're lying

Still no fix to the crappy framerate.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

I've been waiting for the DLC to drop so I can do my hard mode playthrough and get the platinum

Same. NG+ on the hardest mode with DLC seems like it will be a good time.

Raikuro posted...

Remember when FF16 was supposed to be complete day 1

It was? I think the complete comments were more to confront XVs shortcomings and barrage of DLCs trying to fix

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

It was? I think the complete comments were more to confront XVs shortcomings and barrage of DLCs trying to fix

The comments were to assure people that they could buy it day 1 and not regret missing out on the complete game. Then instead of a day 1 patch it gets a month 10 patch. And they wonder why people stop buying their games on day 1.

Raikuro posted...

The comments were to assure people that they could buy it day 1 and not regret missing out on the complete game. Then instead of a day 1 patch it gets a month 10 patch. And they wonder why people stop buying their games on day 1.

Its just updates to maximize the experience. You know...same way Larian has been doing for the 9 months despite also delivering a complete game?

If this doesn't change or expand upon the ending then I have no desire to buy it.

Xenogears15 posted...

If this doesn't change or expand upon the ending then I have no desire to buy it.

They've said it won't but I find that hard to believe just based on the general premise of this DLC, plus the main antagonist of the main game being part of the DLC and the little clip at the end of the trailer showing Clive with a new form

Wow they really buffed Bahamut's abilities.

Unfortunately they didn't implement my biggest wish, which is auto cooldown of abilities once out of combat. Also wasn't there rumors of changes to the attachments? Maybe what's attached isn't the full list.

LeCh0nk posted...

Wow they really buffed Bahamut's abilities.

Yeah the changes seem kinda nuts. It was a nice risk/reward ability that wasn't bad at all in Ultimaniac or against aggressive enemies since the dodge charged it so fast. I'm looking forward to the buffs to Ramuh's Eikonic Feat because damn was that the most disappointing Shotlock I've experienced in a Square Enix game.
LeCh0nk posted...

Unfortunately they didn't implement my biggest wish, which is auto cooldown of abilities once out of combat.

I imagine they never considered that because of Arcade mode. Did you end up using more than one of the "ultimate"/long cooldown abilities? I used to use two but cut down to one or none because of the constant cinematics during battles <_<

I want to replay the game in full, but I can't decide if I want to play the DLC and then do NG+ so I can fully appreciate the Leviathan abilities, or just do NG+ and do the DLC at the end

I want more lore. I need more lore.

DarthAragorn posted...

I want to replay the game in full, but I can't decide if I want to play the DLC and then do NG+ so I can fully appreciate the Leviathan abilities, or just do NG+ and do the DLC at the end

Do the DLC, then NG+ with Leviathan abilities, and then Ultimaniac difficulty after you're done with Final Fantasy difficulty imo.

Will it come with a hard mode that's actually hard this time?

Can you run faster in your base now?

Raikuro posted...

Remember when FF16 was supposed to be complete day 1

These are all just QoL features and balancing adjustments based on feedback + fun extras. The game was complete day 1.

People really want to hate this game for some reason.

s0nicfan posted...

People really want to hate this game for some reason.

I mean, it took some pretty hard departures from the series in general, and many of the RPG elements were sadly lacking. Definitely doesn't deserve the level of hate it gets, but at least I understand where it's coming from.

Absolutely deserved it's review score, though. Game was very good, just with some flaws is all.

MJOLNRVII posted...

I imagine they never considered that because of Arcade mode. Did you end up using more than one of the "ultimate"/long cooldown abilities? I used to use two but cut down to one or none because of the constant cinematics during battles <_<

I used a few of them IIRC, depending on circumstance. Phoenix's, Shiva's and Titan's for sure. Mostly though I wanted that feature because I would use Phoenix to blitz passed the trash mobs I didn't want to fight, and having to wait 2 minutes or whatever it was to do it again was a huge PITA.

Also at times I would accidently stray out of the combat area, and the enemies would all be healed and I would be left having to do the fight again. Would make it more palatable if I didn't have to wait for cooldowns.

Raikuro posted...

Needing to patch in fixes and cutscenes means you're lying

Seems like you do t understand the concept of a complete story.

s0nicfan posted...

People really want to hate this game for some reason.

welcome to Gamefaqs

s0nicfan posted...

People really want to hate this game for some reason.

Because FF games have increasingly been criticized by traditional fans as drifting away from turn-based combat, and XVI is the furthest away from having traditional RPG elements.

I think it's a very good game, but most of the standard role-playing mechanics - like leveling and equipment - are superficial at best.

The equipment was the most egregious thing. Everything was the exact same, just higher stats. And only two stats at that (each offensive and defensive), one which (HP) didn't even matter because it was "upgraded" such a miniscule amount it may as well not have been there.

It was a complete game, at least in terms of story, but a lot of the gameplay felt half-assed and rushed. Like why even have items and chests? Apart from potions they mean literally nothing. I can get all the upgrade equipment I need through the story.

Don't care until they port it to a real system.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Because FF games have increasingly been criticized by traditional fans as drifting away from turn-based combat, and XVI is the furthest away from having traditional RPG elements.

I think it's a very good game, but most of the standard role-playing mechanics - like leveling and equipment - are superficial at best.

Likely the same sorts of people who claim Final Fantasy XI and XIV aren't REAL Final Fantasy games.

Xenogears15 posted...

I mean, it took some pretty hard departures from the series in general, and many of the RPG elements were sadly lacking. Definitely doesn't deserve the level of hate it gets, but at least I understand where it's coming from.

Absolutely deserved it's review score, though. Game was very good, just with some flaws is all.

Agreed. I love the game for its high highs, but it has some terrible lows. At least quick complete update for quests will alleviate some of that. But 87 on Metacritic is the most accurate score for the game.

Gainerama posted...

Rebirth destroyed any chance of FF16 DLC being relevant.

I will say, my main gripe with Rebirth is the same as with XVI: the sidequests start to drag best the end.

If anything, the sidequests in XVI were more satisfying because they added to the story, compared to Rebirth's.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

I will say, my main gripe with Rebirth is the same as with XVI: the sidequests start to drag best the end.

If anything, the sidequests in XVI were more satisfying because they added to the story, compared to Rebirth's.

hmm...the later quests from XVI were pretty decent, but Rebirth's reward you with character interactions and they also try to mix things up a bit instead of always being to x and kill some monster....I mean it was still that, but a bit more creative.

Also 16 sold better than Rebirth and sales for DLC were tracking nicely according to Yoshida.

Do you think XVI's sidequests didn't have character interactions?

I'd put the sidequests in roughly the same tier as far as quality with XVI being a little better. Only that there was less side content overall in XVI than Rebirth, which honestly is a great thing. There's too fucking much side garbage in Rebirth.

DarthAragorn posted...

Do you think XVI's sidequests didn't have character interactions?

I'd put the sidequests in roughly the same tier as far as quality with XVI being a little better. Only that there was less side content overall in XVI than Rebirth, which honestly is a great thing. There's too fucking much side garbage in Rebirth.

This. You have to force yourself to do those quests in both games, but the pay off in XVI is a lot better. I stopped playing Rebirth weeks ago after doing Stamp quest, now I can't find the motivation to go back lol

The one thing I will give Rebirth's side quests for is variety. You have the FFXVI-style green icon sidequests, but the intel - while Ubi Soft-esque - changes things up despite the repetition.

But the green side quests you get from the board are WAY better than the ones Rebirth because they really seem like they could part of the main story. Characters die and areas change from doing them.

16's sidequests would've been better if they weren't written like 14's sidequests. Overly wordy, drawn out fetch quests make sense for a MMO, but not a 1player action game.

Like, I wouldn't say any of them were awful, but I mostly just enjoyed how much I felt at home doing them as a FF14 player.

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Don't care until they port it to a real system.

*eyeroll*

They should be porting it to PC later this year.

So the big secret has been spoiled by trophy descriptions once you update the game. It seems that besides Leviathan there will be an additional eikon ability set called Ultima.

Pretty hyped

So. Did they add playable party members or will we have to wait for modders on a pc version

s0nicfan posted...

People really want to hate this game for some reason.

A lot of people claim my criticism of the game equate to "hate". It was lacking in rpg elements, being action is fine, but why does Trial of mana, a niche game remake got party members and not a high budget game.

Also the writing in the side quests late game was good, the gameplay part was incredibly boring in most side quests. Yakuza like a dragon and Infinite wealth have fairly simple side quests, but I don't remember getting bored in side quests. I was so disapointed when I got Cid and he was not playable. Cid, Joshua, Jill and Dion and maybe even nest bro Gav should have been playable characters

If I hated the game, I would not have finished it

I beat the main part in the DLC. The Leviathan fight was harder than I expected on Final Fantasy difficulty. Like I have the platinum, did every Eikon fight on both NG and the NG+ difficulty, but I never died during an Eikon fight until Leviathan. Fun times, and nice music.

epik_fail1 posted...

A lot of people claim my criticism of the game equate to "hate". It was lacking in rpg elements, being action is fine, but why does Trial of mana, a niche game remake got party members and not a high budget game.

Also the writing in the side quests late game was good, the gameplay part was incredibly boring in most side quests. Yakuza like a dragon and Infinite wealth have fairly simple side quests, but I don't remember getting bored in side quests. I was so disapointed when I got Cid and he was not playable. Cid, Joshua, Jill and Dion and maybe even nest bro Gav should have been playable characters

If I hated the game, I would not have finished it

I think there's a lot of criticism that is valid, but in some cases I feel like people's memory of JRPGs doesn't really line up with the genre. For example: complaints around weapons and armor being "just stats bonuses." This is true, but in nearly every classic JRPG that's exactly what it always was. You reach the latest town and you go to the weapon/armor shop and you buy everything because it's newer than what you have and thus better. MAYBE some secret endgame weapons had special effects, but in general that's how it always was. So when people say "the weapons are just stat upgrades" in regard to 16 not being a "real" JRPG I'm just left wondering how when that's exactly how nearly every other JRPG does it.

Ill wait for it to be on Xbox

MJOLNRVII posted...

I beat the main part in the DLC. The Leviathan fight was harder than I expected on Final Fantasy difficulty. Like I have the platinum, did every Eikon fight on both NG and the NG+ difficulty, but I never died during an Eikon fight until Leviathan. Fun times, and nice music.

I hyped it up so much and still havent bought it, cause I read you can beat it under 5 hours?

Isn't under 5 hours the typical length for story driven dlc?

Rharyx211 posted...

Isn't under 5 hours the typical length for story driven dlc?

Witcher 3 spoiled us big time =( TBH I was fine with 10 hours or even 7. It seems theyre including the "bloody palace" area as part of those 10 hours of gameplay they advertised. Ill probably still buy it later tonight.

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Don't care until they port it to a real system.

This.

s0nicfan posted...

I think there's a lot of criticism that is valid, but in some cases I feel like people's memory of JRPGs doesn't really line up with the genre. For example: complaints around weapons and armor being "just stats bonuses." This is true, but in nearly every classic JRPG that's exactly what it always was. You reach the latest town and you go to the weapon/armor shop and you buy everything because it's newer than what you have and thus better. MAYBE some secret endgame weapons had special effects, but in general that's how it always was. So when people say "the weapons are just stat upgrades" in regard to 16 not being a "real" JRPG I'm just left wondering how when that's exactly how nearly every other JRPG does it.

I prefer JRPGs where you don't need a fucking PhD to understand 15 modifiers and break points to get stronger.