Current Events > No charges for Los Angeles officer who shot and killed teen in dressing room

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Guy was moving away and they shot him without warning. Fuck these pigs.

Every officer involved shooting that results in someone's death should skip the "do we file charges?" phase and proceed straight to the officer in the court being arraigned on charges of criminally negligent homicide at a bare minimum.

They can defend it in court. Transparently.

Charges never being filed in these instances is a massive part of why there's no trust in the process or in the justice system. It sets a lower bar for accountability than if a normal citizen was responsible for a death in the exact same manner.

If it's as clear cut as the police always say it is, then the officer should have the charges dismissed rapidly and without prejudice. Or they should be found not guilty in the course of a trial. And everything at that trial should be open, public record stuff you don't even need to FOIA.

But none of this "we investigated ourselves, and we're not even going to pretend we're accountable" garbage. I'm so very done with that idea.

"We need to update training policies," is also woefully inadequate when your policies, I guess, don't even cover basic firearms safety rules that everyone who picks up a gun should be told? How is this not day one stuff at the academy with the cadet being issued his sidearm the first time?

Personal opinion? He needs at least the following before evidence does or doesn't clear him publicly.

Criminally negligent homicide
Reckless disregard
Depraved indifference

And that's for firing blind at a target he couldn't confirm, nor for confirming his field of fire was clear before discharging his weapon.

Bullshit "finding" on the part of LA, CA AG, and the DOJ.

And people wonder why cops have a bad reputation...

Family can probably still sue

DUKLegend posted...

Family can probably still sue

OP article says they're still using for wrongful death, I'm pretty sure.

Im trying to understand the situation. So was the assailant armed? If so, with what? The cop who fired, I saw in the body cam he fired three shots at the suspect. So one of them missed, hit the wall, went through, and killed the girl on the other side? Im not sure Ive ever given a cop the benefit of the doubtbut if he was trying to stop an armed assailant and didnt know there was anyone on the other side of the wallI dont know.

Im still down for disarming the average cop, but if the one with the rifle was part of a tactical response unitthat wouldnt help much. This definitely isnt your average case of reckless cop shoots kid though. Without the freeze frame pointing out the dressing room wall, Im not sure I would have noticed it. Then again, from the body cam dialogue, the cop did seem too eager to lead the charge with the rifle, so Im not quite sure what was going on.

Who was he and why did he have the rifle?

And they wonder why they're so understaffed. People don't like or want to join gangs.

I remember this case. Pretty disappointing outcome.

BDSMKane posted...

Im trying to understand the situation. So was the assailant armed? If so, with what? The cop who fired, I saw in the body cam he fired three shots at the suspect. So one of them missed, hit the wall, went through, and killed the girl on the other side? Im not sure Ive ever given a cop the benefit of the doubtbut if he was trying to stop an armed assailant and didnt know there was anyone on the other side of the wallI dont know.

Im still down for disarming the average cop, but if the one with the rifle was part of a tactical response unitthat wouldnt help much. This definitely isnt your average case of reckless cop shoots kid though. Without the freeze frame pointing out the dressing room wall, Im not sure I would have noticed it. Then again, from the body cam dialogue, the cop did seem too eager to lead the charge with the rifle, so Im not quite sure what was going on.

Who was he and why did he have the rifle?

You're overcomplicating this. In his head he was rambo and the person he was shooting was the Taliban about to unload a deluge of terrorism. The rest is just collateral damage that they sincerely "regret".

The guys weapon was a cable lock. Trained officers should be able to physically restrain a perpetrator wielding a bike lock without the use of deadly force.

Zikten posted...

I remember this case. Pretty disappointing outcome.

Is it really disappointing? To be disappointed don't you have to have some hope that justice would be served.

If bystanders are inadvertently killed during a drive-by shooting, the shooter is charged with their murder. I get that friendly fire happens in warzones, but this is a fucking mall with kids around. Unless a suspect opens fire first, it should be criminal for cops to do so in a shopping center with civilians all over the place.

STEROLIZER posted...

The guys weapon was a cable lock. Trained officers should be able to physically restrain a perpetrator wielding a bike lock without the use of deadly force.

Wow. Okay, screw that cop, and thank you for the clarification.

Fuck cops, the justice system is fundamentally broken

I'd say doordash drivers put their lives at risk more regularly than those chumps in uniform

Another LAPD cop doing LAPD cop things.

BDSMKane posted...

Im trying to understand the situation. So was the assailant armed? If so, with what? The cop who fired, I saw in the body cam he fired three shots at the suspect. So one of them missed, hit the wall, went through, and killed the girl on the other side? Im not sure Ive ever given a cop the benefit of the doubtbut if he was trying to stop an armed assailant and didnt know there was anyone on the other side of the wallI dont know.

Im still down for disarming the average cop, but if the one with the rifle was part of a tactical response unitthat wouldnt help much. This definitely isnt your average case of reckless cop shoots kid though. Without the freeze frame pointing out the dressing room wall, Im not sure I would have noticed it. Then again, from the body cam dialogue, the cop did seem too eager to lead the charge with the rifle, so Im not quite sure what was going on.

Who was he and why did he have the rifle?

If anyone else shot recklessly and killed someone behind a wall they would 1000% be charged for it regardless. This piece of shit should be in prison.

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

If anyone else shot recklessly and killed someone behind a wall they would 1000% be charged for it regardless. This piece of shit should be in prison.

It's because of how much power Police Unions have. And something called Qualified Immunity which makes cops virtually unaccountable no matter what they do. American cops only have like 6 months training and then are given power over life and death

In Germany I think it's multiple years of training to be a police officer. It's insane that America doesn't see a problem here

The suspect was armed with a fucking bike lock. There was no reason for these cops to go in with massive rifles. Handguns would be sufficient.

And again, the suspect was holding a damn bike lock, he didnt have to be shot even he charged towards the cops. These cops are too damn trigger happy.

Zikten posted...

It's because of how much power Police Unions have. And something called Qualified Immunity which makes cops virtually unaccountable no matter what they do. American cops only have like 6 months training and then are given power over life and death

In Germany I think it's multiple years of training to be a police officer. It's insane that America doesn't see a problem here

You're increasing barriers to entry

keep in mind, being a cop here now means being under the microscope. A lot of cities are having a problem with filling open positions.

So you can either

1) have inadequate officers
2) have no officers if you increase barriers to entry

While there's a sizable "defund the police" movement, I personally am a fan of having police. A semblance of law and order is better in my opinion than anarchy.

it's a broken system for sure but no one here is exactly coming up with realistic solutions, so....

NightingaleMD posted...

You're increasing barriers to entry

keep in mind, being a cop here now means being under the microscope. A lot of cities are having a problem with filling open positions.

So you can either

1) have inadequate officers
2) have no officers if you increase barriers to entry

While there's a sizable "defund the police" movement, I personally am a fan of having police. A semblance of law and order is better in my opinion than anarchy.

it's a broken system for sure but no one here is exactly coming up with realistic solutions, so....

We can make American cops train as long as Germany

I remember joke users insisting the guy they shot at deserves to be charged for the death of the innocent civilian the cop shot because "He made them do it" or some bullshit.

Hopefully the family can sue for wrongful death.

Nothing will be done about America's policing problem as long as they continue to perform their main functions which are to protect the rich and uphold the status quo. They're just legalized gangs protecting the upper class and extorting and scaring the lower ones.

NightingaleMD posted...

You're increasing barriers to entry

keep in mind, being a cop here now means being under the microscope. A lot of cities are having a problem with filling open positions.

So you can either

1) have inadequate officers
2) have no officers if you increase barriers to entry

While there's a sizable "defund the police" movement, I personally am a fan of having police. A semblance of law and order is better in my opinion than anarchy.

it's a broken system for sure but no one here is exactly coming up with realistic solutions, so....

This is a very short sighted view of things. You know there are more than two options, right?

NightingaleMD posted...

You're increasing barriers to entry

keep in mind, being a cop here now means being under the microscope. A lot of cities are having a problem with filling open positions.

So you can either

1) have inadequate officers
2) have no officers if you increase barriers to entry

While there's a sizable "defund the police" movement, I personally am a fan of having police. A semblance of law and order is better in my opinion than anarchy.

it's a broken system for sure but no one here is exactly coming up with realistic solutions, so....

good

didn't read the rest because it was pointless bullshit

DnDer posted...

Every officer involved shooting that results in someone's death should skip the "do we file charges?" phase and proceed straight to the officer in the court being arraigned on charges of criminally negligent homicide at a bare minimum.

And prosecuted by someone(s) whose only job is to go after misconduct by people in the system. No more of that "we have to play nice with the bad cops because next week they're witnesses in four other cases".

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Northlane posted...

Fuck cops, the justice system is fundamentally broken

I'd say doordash drivers put their lives at risk more regularly than those chumps in uniform

They do.

And "cop" doesn't even rank in the top 20 most dangerous jobs in America. In America.

https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states

Cobra1010 posted...

he didnt have to be shot even he charged towards the cops. These cops are too damn trigger happy.

Different PD, I think, but remember that cops also shot a fat guy with a katana out in the open who moved slower and less threateningly than a man with a bike lock hiding in a department store.

NightingaleMD posted...

keep in mind, being a cop here now means being under the microscope.

They they were actually under a microscope, these kinds of things wouldn't be happening.

Cartoon_Quoter posted...

And prosecuted by someone(s) whose only job is to go after misconduct by people in the system. No more of that "we have to play nice with the bad cops because next week they're witnesses in four other cases".

That's a good point I hadn't made. Thank you.

I remember at least one of our local apologists defending this for like 200 posts.

NightingaleMD posted...

Not this guy, though, one of the memorable apologists.

STEROLIZER posted...

The guys weapon was a cable lock. Trained officers should be able to physically restrain a perpetrator wielding a bike lock without the use of deadly force.

Have you considered that the officers probably feared for their lives? That makes any and all measure of response A-ok!

This didn't call for a high powered rifle and I think she would have survived if not for the rifle

In California it takes more hours to become a licensed cosmetologist than it does a cop

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That's the case there the cop announced "shots fired" like he's in a video game, right?

SKAMartist posted...

This didn't call for a high powered rifle and I think she would have survived if not for the rifle

I disagree, but its also too damn tragic for me to want to formulate a response or argue.

I think ideas of pressing charges instantly are a good way to go. The only concession I would be willing to make is that cops can at least have protective custody while under arrest pending trial, so they dont get murdered in prison. They should have to go to trial, but they should get a fair chance at it like anyone else.

Gritty posted...

In California it takes more hours to become a licensed cosmetologist than it does a cop

This is also sad, and I doubt most states are any better.

I know Johannes Mehserle was one of the most egregious shootings, and they only got a little over a year in prison. There was also Patrick Feaster that was equally horrible, and he never even had charges pressed. Both were caught on video essentially executing the victim.

BDSMKane posted...

I know Johannes Mehserle was one of the most egregious shootings, and they only got a little over a year in prison. There was also Patrick Feaster that was equally horrible, and he never even had charges pressed. Both were caught on video essentially executing the victim.

There's also Daniel Shaver's killers.

That was the one where they executed a sobbing, begging, unarmed man who was crawling towards them and trying to make sense of the nonsensical and contradictory orders they were shouting at him for daring to reach down and pull his shorts up because they were falling down.

After they were cleared, one of the murderers fled the country to Thailand (as all innocent people do), and the triggerman himself (who literally had "You're fucked" etched into his gun) was reinstated to the police force long enough to earn his pension, so the widow gets to know that her taxes are helping support the man who made her a widow and her children fatherless.

mybbqrules posted...

There's also Daniel Shaver's killers.

That was the one where they executed a sobbing, begging, unarmed man who was crawling towards them and trying to make sense of the nonsensical and contradictory orders they were shouting at him for daring to reach down and pull his shorts up because they were falling down.

After they were cleared, one of the murderers fled the country to Thailand (as all innocent people do), and the triggerman himself (who literally had "You're fucked" etched into his gun) was reinstated to the police force long enough to earn his pension, so the widow gets to know that her taxes are helping support the man who made her a widow and her children fatherless.

And he gets extra pension I think for supposedly being traumatized over becoming a murderer

mybbqrules posted...

There's also Daniel Shaver's killers.

Watched the video, didnt know about that one. Absolutely tragic.

Sad smh

Cops are above the law in the United States.

Start electing officials who will change that.

It is funny how the don't tread on people, are the people in the front of the line to lick this shit up.

cjsdowg posted...

It is funny how the don't tread on people, are the people in the front of the line to lick this shit up.

As horrible as it is, shootings like this and the others listed are very helpful in persuading people I know on a personal basis that there needs to be more accountability for cops. Cases where the suspect was on drugs or had a gunthose are a really tough sell.

But instances where the suspect was literally on their belly, or armed with a damn bike lock and there were civilian casualties, or they were trying to crawl to safetythose videos make a genuine impact even on the only (still) Trump supporter I know, and definitely on people who simply lean right.

The most I can do is share within my circle, and I do, and hope they share with others as well. There needs to be sweeping police reform.

Cobra1010 posted...

The suspect was armed with a fucking bike lock. There was no reason for these cops to go in with massive rifles. Handguns would be sufficient.

And again, the suspect was holding a damn bike lock, he didnt have to be shot even he charged towards the cops. These cops are too damn trigger happy.

One of the things that sickens me most about blue-lipped apologism is that cop defenders and the system doesn't care about whether or not the lethal force was justified in the face of the threat, they only care if the cop can be held legally accountable or not. If not, then they support it.