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Antifar 04/19/24 2:44:07 PM #1: |
Tensions are high at Columbia University over the Israel-Hamas war and the school's response to ongoing protests on campus. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/supporters-of-palestinians-israel-clash-outside-columbia-universitys-campus-gate/ --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/20/24 12:17:16 PM #2: |
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emblem-man 04/21/24 10:33:27 AM #3: |
The whole situation over there seems to be escalating even more
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Cheater87 04/21/24 10:37:30 AM #4: |
Being pro-Palestine is quite taboo in the US it seems.
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cjsdowg 04/21/24 9:45:15 PM #5: |
People who support Israel are calling for the Columbia President to be fired . Ha you drag away Pro-Pal students in handcuffs, and still get in trouble.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/21/stefanik-calls-for-shafiks-resignation-amid-protests-reports-of-antisemitic-incidents/ --- Biden is the greatest President ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 04/21/24 9:46:00 PM #6: |
There was also a big arrest in Germany I heard. A Palestine rally got raided basically ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 04/21/24 9:46:18 PM #7: |
Jackboots gonna jackboot, unfortunately. Glad their opposition is admitting this is an unreasonable response by the university though.
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emblem-man 04/21/24 9:48:24 PM #8: |
You have outside people joining the protest with some really bad actual antisemitic language, and it's badly coloring the more peaceful protests which is unfortunate.
Whole thing is looking like a shit show it seems --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 04/21/24 9:50:16 PM #9: |
Agent_Stroud posted...
Jackboots gonna jackboot, unfortunately. Glad their opposition is admitting this is an unreasonable response by the university though.The ones calling for a firing, such as stefanik, are not doing it due to them thinking calling the cops on the protesters was bad... --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/21/24 10:16:12 PM #11: |
College students are leaning the hard way that they have very few rights. They signed them away amongst the other paperwork during admission. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 04/21/24 10:20:54 PM #12: |
tankboy posted...
College students are leaning the hard way that they have very few rights. They signed them away amongst the other paperwork during admission. Suuure. Tell that to the victims of Kent State. --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 04/21/24 10:21:51 PM #13: |
I hadn't heard about this until today and it was predominantly people like Eric Adams misrepresenting the protests.
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Anteaterking 04/21/24 10:24:32 PM #15: |
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Antifar posted... Columbia University --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/21/24 10:26:24 PM #16: |
Fenriswolf posted... Suuure. Tell that to the victims of Kent State.I don't get your point. AFAIK, none of the shooters were found guilty of anything and in fact the protestors were sued (but not found guilty). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Da-Etiquette 04/21/24 10:43:43 PM #17: |
Good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 04/22/24 4:41:55 AM #18: |
Da-Etiquette posted...
Good. OK bootlicker --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/22/24 4:48:55 AM #19: |
Da-Etiquette posted...
Good. Do you feel the same for Neo-Nazi protestors? Which, being pro-Palestinian isn't inherently bad or connected to Hamas, however let's say they actually are pro-Hamas. So comparing Neo-Nazi and pro-Hamas protestors, both allowed or neither? --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/22/24 5:17:41 AM #20: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] No, Columbia is a non-profit. It has a board of directors, but nobody "owns" it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hyena_Of_Ice 04/23/24 1:25:44 AM #21: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Part of it is that the pro-Israeli (or in some cases, just plain Jewish) students have complained that they don't feel safe, either. Also, even private universities have donors. The major public universities have been bleeding donations due to on-campus antisemitism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 04/23/24 1:26:33 AM #22: |
Vietnam 2.0
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Cemith 04/23/24 1:27:25 AM #23: |
emblem-man posted...
You have outside people joining the protest with some really bad actual antisemitic language, and it's badly coloring the more peaceful protests which is unfortunate. I fucking hate that bad actors pretty routinely ruin perfectly valid and salient protests. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 04/23/24 1:34:43 AM #24: |
I would bet cash that the people trying to keep order were the ones arrested.
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Ronaldo 04/23/24 1:57:31 AM #25: |
I've seen a lot of pro-hamas chants and signs. I hope it's the minority... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 4:40:28 AM #27: |
I was confident that Israel was losing the public relations war and that it was ultimately going to be a serious threat to its existence (ironically, self-inflicted). But I forgot to take into account that nobody with any power has ever really cared about Palestinians (that's the story of their existence). I have noticed pro-Palestinian protestors (in the US) getting more and more frustrated that they are being ignored, and becoming increasingly desperate and bold in their attempts to attract attention to their cause. I am worried about where that might lead them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 04/23/24 5:08:00 AM #28: |
Surprised how silent the media has been on pro Palestine protest nationwide. Even more for people being arrested for protesting.
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BlueKat 04/23/24 5:14:40 AM #29: |
tankboy posted...
College students are leaning the hard way that they have very few rights. They signed them away amongst the other paperwork during admission.So, you're saying they had rights before going to college, or would have more rights if they didn't go to college? That makes no sense >_> --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 04/23/24 5:17:03 AM #30: |
tankboy posted...
I was confident that Israel was losing the public relations war and that it was ultimately going to be a serious threat to its existence (ironically, self-inflicted). But I forgot to take into account that nobody with any power has ever really cared about Palestinians (that's the story of their existence). I have noticed pro-Palestinian protestors (in the US) getting more and more frustrated that they are being ignored, and becoming increasingly desperate and bold in their attempts to attract attention to their cause. I am worried about where that might lead them. Most Americans also supported the Vietnam War and Iraq War back in the day. Now most of them are ashamed to admit it. --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenriswolf 04/23/24 5:23:05 AM #31: |
Ronaldo posted...
I've seen a lot of pro-hamas chants and signs. I hope it's the minority... There always a minority of idiots in any protest. Me and my anti-Zionist Jewish friend found a sign mocking Jewish defeat in the Battle of Khaybar in one of Sydney's protests last year and got the organisers to tell them to take the sign down. The people with the sign simply put it back up again after a while, and the local Zionist media zeroed in on them and claimed that the entire protest is like that. --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gu-gohan 04/23/24 5:48:20 AM #32: |
Cheater87 posted...
Being pro-Palestine is quite taboo in the US it seems.Personally, I think it would be good if people didn't constantly take simple pro or con stances, but instead stood up for generally valid principles. One of the biggest problems with such protest movements is that they can be influenced or even taken over by outside propagandists. What I mean is basically what the person below me wrote: emblem-man posted... You have outside people joining the protest with some really bad actual antisemitic language, and it's badly coloring the more peaceful protests which is unfortunate. I wish there was a stronger protest movement "for peace" or "against terror". Or at least more nuances movements like "against Netanyahu and his government" and at the same time "against hamas". Being "pro-Palestine" is not wrong per se, but among the people who participate on these movements there are unfortunately always some, who spread hatred of Jews or deny the State of Israel their right to exist. They undermine the protest movement and promote the conflict. Which is the opposite decent humans should aim for. The aim should be de-escalation and a holistic understanding of the conflict, not an increasingly one-sided intake of information. This only encourages radicalization. It is my observation, probably due to excessive usage of social media, that more and more people are unable to see and discuss about a conflict while trying to understand both sides (and the conflict as a whole). --- Like: great videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, negativity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 6:00:25 AM #33: |
BlueKat posted... So, you're saying they had rights before going to college, or would have more rights if they didn't go to college? That makes no sense >_> Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge, so I didn't elaborate: Upon enrolling, students typically sign documents agreeing to certain restrictions on conduct, speech, and arbitration. Sometimes it's part of an "honor code" or "code of conduct". It basically gives the school the ability to sanction (or even kick out) a student for nearly any reason, with little recourse. Students have very little power when they get into a conflict with the administration. In other words, an otherwise legal demonstration might have serious consequences at a school, especially a private school. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueKat 04/23/24 7:47:16 AM #34: |
tankboy posted...
Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge, so I didn't elaborate: Upon enrolling, students typically sign documents agreeing to certain restrictions on conduct, speech, and arbitration. Sometimes it's part of an "honor code" or "code of conduct". It basically gives the school the ability to sanction (or even kick out) a student for nearly any reason, with little recourse. Students have very little power when they get into a conflict with the administration. In other words, an otherwise legal demonstration might have serious consequences at a school, especially a private school.It's not common knowledge because it's complete bullshit. You're not "signing away your rights" as you put it, at least not at the vast majority of schools, except for maybe those super right wing religious institutions which make up less the five percent of them. And even then, getting kicked out isn't exactly a loss of rights--you wanted to go there and chose to sign a contract that you can read first when you could have easily gone to one of the majority of other schools. Smh. I get the feeling that you've never actually been to college. --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsuprised_Pika 04/23/24 8:19:44 AM #35: |
BlueKat posted...
It's not common knowledge because it's complete bullshit. You're not "signing away your rights" as you put it, at least not at the vast majority of schools, except for maybe those super right wing religious institutions which make up less the five percent of them. And even then, getting kicked out isn't exactly a loss of rights--you wanted to go there and chose to sign a contract that you can read first when you could have easily gone to one of the majority of other schools. Smh. I get the feeling that you've never actually been to college. Those contracts are invalid like most of those bullshit agreements. You have to sign these 500 paragraph agreements to do literally anything including basic essential services. You can't even buy a goddamn fridge without an arbitration agreement. These and most things of their ilk should by and large be unenforceable shit that even handing it to people is worth years in prison. Life in prison if "Arbitration agreement" or "NDA" is used. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 04/23/24 8:53:28 AM #36: |
Cemith posted...
I fucking hate that bad actors pretty routinely ruin perfectly valid and salient protests. Protests are really hard to keep order and control of and you really need strong leaders to gatekeep the bad actors. Not enough of these protests seem to have that. If someone is saying antisemitic language, kick them the fuck out. Sadly, it is a condemnation of the rest of the protest if there is not enough order to do that. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 04/23/24 8:55:19 AM #37: |
gu-gohan posted...
I wish there was a stronger protest movement "for peace" or "against terror". Or at least more nuances movements like "against Netanyahu and his government" and at the same time "against hamas".I think the language and chants they're using (at least what I'm seeing on social media, which I acknowledge night but be representative) has really bad optics and is unnecessarily inflammatory --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 9:21:18 AM #38: |
BlueKat posted... It's not common knowledge because it's complete bullshit. You're not "signing away your rights" as you put it, at least not at the vast majority of schools, except for maybe those super right wing religious institutions which make up less the five percent of them. And even then, getting kicked out isn't exactly a loss of rights--you wanted to go there and chose to sign a contract that you can read first when you could have easily gone to one of the majority of other schools. Okay, fine, maybe saying "rights" is maybe speaking too loosely. The fact remains that students have very little power vs. the administration. I don't think any of them are getting an Ivy degree now. Or I should say, they won't get one without spending a lot of money on exceptional lawyers (an institution doesn't survive 250+ years with merely capable lawyers). Anyway, here is the Columbia code of conduct, which exists: https://universitypolicies.columbia.edu/content/statement-ethical-conduct-and-administrative-code-conduct BlueKat posted... Smh. I get the feeling that you've never actually been to college. Uncalled for. I'm confident that I went to a better college than you. In fact, I went to a better one than the kids in question. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/23/24 9:28:33 AM #39: |
emblem-man posted...
I think the language and chants some are using (at least what I'm seeing on social media, which I acknowledge might not be representative) has really bad optics and is unnecessarily inflammatory .It seems, to me, that the most necessarily inflammatory thing to happen here is sending in the cops. It's April. Finals are a week or two away. This would have fizzled out on its own, but Columbia's decision to respond through policing has resulted in similar protests popping up at campuses across the northeast: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/college-campus-protests-photos-yale-columbia.html --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow_Don 04/23/24 9:31:31 AM #40: |
Ronaldo posted...
I've seen a lot of pro-hamas chants and signs. I hope it's the minority... SJP on my campus openly endorsed the oct 7 attack Literally they said it wasn't a terror attack and that it was resistance and that they supported resistance in all forms. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 04/23/24 9:39:08 AM #41: |
Antifar posted...
It seems, to me, that the most necessarily inflammatory thing to happen here is sending in the cops. It's April. Finals are a week or two away. This would have fizzled out on its own, but Columbia's decision to respond through policing has resulted in similar protests popping up at campuses across the northeast: I agree that they shouldn't have sent in the cops. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 04/23/24 9:43:20 AM #42: |
Israeli's right to shoot children > American's right to protest. It's right there in the constitution.
These movements have shown a huge hole in the curriculums at our most prestigious universities, they are forgetting to teach that Israel is exempted from our common conception of morality. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 9:46:22 AM #43: |
emblem-man posted... I agree that they shouldn't have sent in the cops. Does anybody happen to know if Columbia has a campus security force that is not the "real" police? At many large urban schools, the campus police are simply a precinct (or other division) of the city police, but I don't know if that's true here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueKat 04/23/24 9:50:35 AM #44: |
tankboy posted...
Okay, fine, maybe saying "rights" is maybe speaking too loosely.maybe, maybe, you think? I'm confident that I went to a better college than you. In fact, I went to a better one than the kids in question.lol. What Ivy League school did you go to? --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 9:56:58 AM #45: |
BlueKat posted... lol. What Ivy League school did you go to? I went to one that was in the news early on during the conflict, for similar reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueKat 04/23/24 9:57:33 AM #46: |
tankboy posted...
I went to one that was in the news early on during the conflict, for similar reasons.Sure you did, buddy --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tankboy 04/23/24 10:14:33 AM #47: |
BlueKat posted... Sure you did, buddy Ah, the strongest possible Internet argument. Your misconception will not prevent me from enjoying my day. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueKat 04/23/24 10:21:36 AM #48: |
tankboy posted...
Ah, the strongest possible Internet argument. Your misconception will not prevent me from enjoying my day.Cool. Your lies and hyperbole won't stop me from enjoying mine either. --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gu-gohan 04/23/24 11:16:36 AM #49: |
Shadow_Don posted...
SJP on my campus openly endorsed the oct 7 attackAnd that is exactly what I meant in my previous post. It's one thing - and totally legit and rightful! - to pray for Palestine civilians and condemn what Netanyahu and his regime is doing in Gaza. But it's not okay to delegitimize the terrorism on oct 7, to legitimize Hamas, or generally spread hate of Jews at the same time. But this stance can be seen from many participants of these pro-Palestine protest movements, unfortunately. I find that worrying. --- Like: great videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, negativity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoMeLx22x 04/23/24 11:30:12 AM #50: |
gu-gohan posted...
And that is exactly what I meant in my previous post. It's one thing - and totally legit and rightful! - to pray for Palestine civilians and condemn what Netanyahu and his regime is doing in Gaza. But it's not okay to delegitimize the terrorism on oct 7, to legitimize Hamas, or generally spread hate of Jews at the same time. But this stance can be seen from many participants of these pro-Palestine protest movements, unfortunately. I find that worrying. This is not happening on any sort of level where you can say "many participants" and the organizers of these events immediately condemn anyone that is attempting to hijack these protests to be antisemitic. You think it's "many supporters" because bad faith actors (or the media) will take one horrible sign or video of an individual or small group saying horrible things, and extrapolate that that's what the whole protest is about. Which it's not. You're falling for propaganda to try to lump all of these protesters in with a group of shitty people. --- Sigs are for losers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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