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BewmHedshot
05/14/24 1:36:38 AM
#301:


ScazarMeltex posted...
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1789973584741355895
This is vile.
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ZechtAurion
05/14/24 6:19:17 AM
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Serving in the military is mandatory, they're all complicit.
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DnDer
05/14/24 7:12:06 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
Serving in the military is mandatory, they're all complicit.

Does the IDF have a UCMJ like we do, that would outline their responsibilities and obligations to defy/refuse to obey an unlawful order?

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Foppe
05/14/24 7:19:24 AM
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There are ways to skip the military duty in Israel.
You will however be an outcast by your friend and family.

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ScazarMeltex
05/14/24 7:22:25 AM
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Trumble posted...
Yeah, they're part of the problem. "Don't blame civilians" is purely about the ones who are not in any way a party to these matters (beyond living in a country that's involved).
West Bank settlers are no better than the Germans who settled on land whose Jewish occupants had been displaced.

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divot1338
05/14/24 8:43:47 AM
#306:


Trumble posted...
It's fine to hate the individual civilians who do shit like this. "Don't hate civilians" is meant in the sense of don't just start blaming / taking it out on random Israeli people who aren't supporting or contributing to the genocide efforts. You can absolutely blame individuals who *are* participating or supporting it, even if they're not actual IDF members.
All of the Israeli settlers are illegally occupying the West Bank so there arent really any without some kind of bad behavior on their hands.

Obviously squatting is very different from destroying food for refugees though.

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conduit
05/14/24 9:23:46 AM
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divot1338 posted...
All of the Israeli settlers are illegally occupying the West Bank so there arent really any without some kind of bad behavior on their hands.

Obviously squatting is very different from destroying food for refugees though.

Israeli settlers have done far worse than squatting, we're talking about armed settler militias raiding Palestinian homes, setting fire to their houses/cars, and shooting people.

'Rise in intimidation, settler violence in the West Bank, warns OCHA'
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143087

Israeli settlers have assaulted, tortured, and committed sexual violence against Palestinians, stolen their belongings and livestock, threatened to kill them if they did not leave permanently, and destroyed their homes and schools under the cover of the ongoing hostilities in Gaza.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/17/west-bank-israel-responsible-rising-settler-violence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/20/nowhere-is-safe-fear-and-mourning-inside-the-west-bank-villages-where-israeli-settlers-went-on-the-rampage

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bfslick50
05/14/24 9:34:52 AM
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conduit posted...
Israeli settlers have assaulted, tortured, and committed sexual violence against Palestinians, stolen their belongings and livestock, threatened to kill them if they did not leave permanently, and destroyed their homes and schools under the cover of the ongoing hostilities in Gaza.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/17/west-bank-israel-responsible-rising-settler-violence

JFC. How is this not the same fucking thing as October 7th? Only the Palestinians in the West Bank apparently don't have a right to defend themselves.

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Foppe
05/14/24 10:45:46 AM
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I mean, Israel settlers have taken territory in the whole Palestina since 1967, but they decided to concentrate on the West Bank in the 80s.
And they didnt get that territory by falling on their knees and beg the Palestinas to give up their homes...

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SANDBOX_GAMER
05/14/24 10:48:49 AM
#310:


Cheater87 posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-10-israeli-soldiers-hospitalized-after-wasp-swarm-attack-2024-5
Even nature is against them lol. They stepped on a hornet's nest alright, both literally and figuratively.

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Scardude
05/14/24 10:53:08 AM
#311:


ZechtAurion posted...
Serving in the military is mandatory, they're all complicit.
Only the most ortho were given the exception. The same ones who spear headed this campaign. Not a coincidence.

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ZechtAurion
05/14/24 10:56:25 AM
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Scardude posted...
Only the most ortho were given the exception. The same ones who spear headed this campaign. Not a coincidence.
A lot of those are even worse since they dictate the current behavior.
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Scardude
05/14/24 11:01:51 AM
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Yes, but try to not put everyone in the same bucket. Those inside are also oppressed or face alienation from the neighbour. They aren't all complicit.

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05/14/24 11:02:27 AM
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ZechtAurion
05/14/24 12:14:56 PM
#314:


Scardude posted...
Yes, but try to not put everyone in the same bucket. Those inside are also oppressed or face alienation from the neighbour. They aren't all complicit.
Of course there are good Israelis.

Here is one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GVebcxqdcVM
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name_unknown
05/14/24 1:13:40 PM
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Right-wing Israelis rally for settlements in Gaza
Tens of thousands of far-right protesters in the southern city of Sderot, in Israel, called for the construction of settlements in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, as right-wing rhetoric over Israel's military campaign in the enclave gains momentum.
People marched in a returning home demonstration for extensive settlement in the Gaza Strip to guarantee the achievements of the war. Israeli settlement in the Gaza Strip would correct the past mistakes of Oslo and the disengagement,'" organizers said, adding that 50,000 people attended. CNN could not confirm the number of attendees and Israeli police does not provide attendance figures for rallies.
Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir told the rally that officials must work towards "encouraging immigration. To encourage the voluntary departure of the residents of Gaza. Such language has prompted accusations against far-right Israelis of advocating to ethnically cleanse Palestinians in Gaza.

IDF says it struck UN school in Gaza that it claims was being used by Hamas
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it struck a Hamas war room embedded inside a school operated by the United Nations' agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza on Tuesday.
The IDF claimed the room was being used by Hamas commanders and that over 10 members of the group were killed in the strike. CNN cannot independently confirm the IDF claim.
A UNRWA official said the agency is not able to confirm the claims from the Israeli military.
Like we have said on several occasions, any report of a violation of a UN premises must be investigated. We remind all parties to the conflict that UN installations must be protected at all times and must never be used for military purposes/ fighting purposes, Juliette Touma, UNRWAs director of communications, told CNN in a statement.
Al Awda hospital in Gaza said it had received 11 bodies from this strike.
Based on IDF and ISA intelligence, the IAF carried out a precise strike on a central Hamas war room commanders embedded inside an UNRWA school in the area of Nuseirat," the IDF said.
"The war room was used by terrorist operatives in Hamas' military wing. The strike was carried out using precise munitions in order to minimize harm to uninvolved civilians."
The IDF went on to claim that the war room had been used by Hamas to plan multiple attacks against IDF troops in central Gaza in recent weeks.
The Israeli military also confirmed a strike on a second location in Nuseirat on Tuesday, claiming they struck "terrorist infrastructure."
Gaza's Al Aqsa hospital said it had received bodies of 36 people including 18 children from this strike.
Rescue workers have continued efforts to find bodies underneath the rubble of a four-story building that was demolished in the strike, witnesses said. They also said that dozens of people had been sheltering in the buildings yard.
The strike at the UNRWA school occurred about two hours after the strike on the four-story building, according to witnesses.
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Reimu
05/14/24 1:48:23 PM
#316:


Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

TLDR: Israel's concentration camps for Palestinians are doing the abuse you suspect them of doing.

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Kradek
05/14/24 1:49:44 PM
#317:


Trumble posted...
Yeah, they're part of the problem. "Don't blame civilians" is purely about the ones who are not in any way a party to these matters (beyond living in a country that's involved).

Yeah, I mentioned those in my post. Seems like we're on the same page.

Scardude posted...
Only the most ortho were given the exception. The same ones who spear headed this campaign. Not a coincidence.

Yeah, isn't Netanyahu worried because their parliament or whatever they call it are trying to force them to serve as well and that's the bloc he relies on for staying in power?

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CommonStar
05/14/24 2:24:03 PM
#319:


"Palestinians teach their kids to hate..."
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1790446474205044949
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Foppe
05/14/24 3:17:21 PM
#320:


CommonStar posted...
"Palestinians teach their kids to hate..."
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1790446474205044949
It is not that hard to imaginate.
You hear your whole life that you belong to Gods chosen people, and how Palestinians are evil invaders that tries to steal your land.
Everybody talks negatively about them and you hear news about rockets fired from Gaza all the time, and how brave IDF soldiers constantly defend your country.
If Israeli and Palestina kids would go to the same daycare, they would realize that they are just human beings.
Now they dont even see them as human beings, they probably cant even imaginate that the food they destroy would go to starving kids.

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Trumble
05/14/24 4:40:30 PM
#321:


divot1338 posted...
All of the Israeli settlers are illegally occupying the West Bank so there arent really any without some kind of bad behavior on their hands.

Obviously squatting is very different from destroying food for refugees though.
And, for the last time, the settlers are not who "don't blame civilians" is about.

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CountCorvinus
05/14/24 7:41:58 PM
#322:


https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1790527138812305840


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Zikten
05/14/24 8:09:25 PM
#323:


CountCorvinus posted...
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1790527138812305840
Netanyahu laughs at Biden
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cjsdowg
05/14/24 9:27:35 PM
#324:


CountCorvinus posted...
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1790527138812305840

This should be it's own post. Biden is getting hurt by this , and still helping the. And I really want to know point blank what would Trump do that is worst than this .

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1337toothbrush
05/14/24 9:59:42 PM
#325:


CountCorvinus posted...
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1790527138812305840
Wow, biden withheld weapons for a whole week!!!

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ZechtAurion
05/14/24 10:29:42 PM
#326:


So much for a red line.
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CobraGT
05/14/24 10:43:48 PM
#327:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-says-apply-intervene-icj-genocide-case-against-israel-2024-05-14/

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Trumble
05/14/24 10:50:32 PM
#328:


1337toothbrush posted...
Wow, biden withheld weapons for a whole week!!!
And this is exactly why no one jumps straight to assuming he's turned over a new leaf whenever he seems to be heading in the right direction. Because he always backpedals a week or two later.

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Necronmon
05/14/24 11:01:45 PM
#329:


This should be it's own post. Biden is getting hurt by this , and still helping the. And I really want to know point blank what would Trump do that is worst than this .

Total genocide...he would do this if he could. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhsbmgaqdo
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Zikten
05/14/24 11:27:07 PM
#330:


Trump would send in US troops to help the IDF. There would probably already be Israelis settling in Gaza now, in the timeline where Trump was still president
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Kradek
05/15/24 1:17:14 AM
#331:


Zikten posted...
Trump would send in US troops to help the IDF. There would probably already be Israelis settling in Gaza now, in the timeline where Trump was still president

That and he'd deport any Pro-Palestinian protestors to Gaza.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/05/trump-protesters-gop-marco-rubio-palestine-college-deport/

At a rally in Wildwood, New Jersey on Saturday, former President Donald Trump made many questionable comments.

He called Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Fat Alvin. He claimed migrant children dont speak English. And he said that, if hes re-elected, he will deport pro-Palestinian, antiwar protesters.

When Im president, we will not allow our colleges to be taken over by violent radicals, and if you come here from a violent country and try to bring jihadism, or anti-Americanism, or antisemitism to our campuses, we will immediately deport you. Youll be out of that school, Trump said, to the crowds cheers. (You can watch the full comments for yourself at the 1:30:41 mark.)

People willing to risk a Trump presidency because they're understandably upset over Biden's handling of the situation should really factor all variables into the equation with what comes with that.

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Hornezz
05/15/24 4:24:57 AM
#332:


Kamala Harris, in march: "Any major military operation in Rafah would be a huge mistake and the White House rules out nothing in terms of consequences if Netanyahu moves ahead with the assault."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/24/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-war-rafah-netanyahu

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Kradek
05/15/24 4:28:30 AM
#333:


Hornezz posted...
Kamala Harris, in march: "Any major military operation in Rafah would be a huge mistake and the White House rules out nothing in terms of consequences if Netanyahu moves ahead with the assault."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/24/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-war-rafah-netanyahu

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e26ee38.jpg

I mean, they're literally withholding aide for offensive capabilities because of Netanyahu's intentions for Rafah. Though he's already in Rafah, they withheld it over his desires to attack the more concentrated populated areas. Republicans are even threatening to impeach Biden over it.

It's not quite what she said, however it is what finally convinced him to stop giving them murder machines.

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Hornezz
05/15/24 4:46:15 AM
#334:


Kradek posted...
I mean, they're literally withholding aide for offensive capabilities because of Netanyahu's intentions for Rafah.
They held up *a* shipment.

Though he's already in Rafah, they withheld it over his desires to attack the more concentrated populated areas.
Which is goalpost moving. Harris said "any major military operation in Rafah".

It's not quite what she said, however it is what finally convinced him to stop giving them murder machines.

"The package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said."

https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-arms-gaza-ebe971ca8878ff430ce6458c04151585

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MedeaLysistrata
05/15/24 4:53:55 AM
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Idk who is weaker, friendship or fear

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Smashingpmkns
05/15/24 5:22:57 AM
#336:


"Behind Closed Doors, Biden is a Very Miffed"

*5 days later*

"Biden Approves Billions of Dollars of Bombs to Kill Children"

Starting to think this guy sucks!

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divot1338
05/15/24 5:26:59 AM
#337:


Hornezz posted...
They held up *a* shipment.

Which is goalpost moving. Harris said "any major military operation in Rafah".

"The package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said."

https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-arms-gaza-ebe971ca8878ff430ce6458c04151585
Quick question. Does Joe Biden work for Kamala Harris?

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Hornezz
05/15/24 5:37:00 AM
#338:


divot1338 posted...
Quick question. Does Joe Biden work for Kamala Harris?
Irrelevant. She spoke on behalf of the White House and lied.

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divot1338
05/15/24 5:39:29 AM
#339:


Hornezz posted...
Irrelevant. She spoke on behalf of the White House and lied.
Thats not a thing.

If you want to blame Harris though please go right ahead. She fucking sucks.

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 6:28:39 AM
#340:


Necronmon posted...
Total genocide...he would do this if he could. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhsbmgaqdo

Genocide is happening now and we are paying for it. If ppl want to say things would be worse here if Trump got elected..which is true. Go with that. But I am sick of ppl claiming how much worst Trump would be over there than Biden. Biden let's them do anything at all. They killed reporters before this happen they have kill reporters families and Biden keeps giving the shit.

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 6:30:07 AM
#341:


Zikten posted...
Trump would send in US troops to help the IDF. There would probably already be Israelis settling in Gaza now, in the timeline where Trump was still president

There are Ppl settling in the west bank now.

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Doe
05/15/24 8:44:53 AM
#342:


divot1338 posted...
Quick question. Does Joe Biden work for Kamala Harris?
What is this even supposed to argue? That Kamala Harris spoke out of turn to make up some bullshit that she knew to be against White House policy? And the WH didn't issue a fast correction against her? How would that reflect any better on Joe Biden?

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 9:41:34 AM
#343:


Doe posted...
What is this even supposed to argue? That Kamala Harris spoke out of turn to make up some bullshit that she knew to be against White House policy? And the WH didn't issue a fast correction against her? How would that reflect any better on Joe Biden?

There will always be an excuse for Biden.

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DrizztLink
05/15/24 10:37:44 AM
#344:


cjsdowg posted...
There are Ppl settling in the west bank now.
He explicitly said "in Gaza."

And I'm pretty sure Zikten already knew that.

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 10:46:04 AM
#345:


DrizztLink posted...
He explicitly said "in Gaza."

And I'm pretty sure Zikten already knew that.

The only reason they are not making places there now is because they are still bombing it to shit. Brought up the West Banknsince at the only area where they can move . They are doing it and Biden says it bad then do nothing. Trump endorsing it while they do it want make anything different.

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DrizztLink
05/15/24 10:58:36 AM
#346:


cjsdowg posted...
Trump endorsing it while they do it want make anything different.
Do you think there would be no difference between the current situation and actual American boots on the ground?

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CobraGT
05/15/24 1:54:59 PM
#347:


cjsdowg posted...
This should be it's own post. Biden is getting hurt by this , and still helping the. And I really want to know point blank what would Trump do that is worst than this .

This is not about Biden. [Wrong topic]

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Kradek
05/15/24 3:22:28 PM
#348:


Hornezz posted...
They held up *a* shipment.

And promised to continue doing so as a preventative measure to Netanyahu going apeshit on the last heavily concentrated population.

Hornezz posted...
Which is goalpost moving. Harris said "any major military operation in Rafah".

This happened shortly after they were in Rafah, like a few days if I'm not mistaken.

Hornezz posted...
"The package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said."

https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-arms-gaza-ebe971ca8878ff430ce6458c04151585

Ok, so it was just the 2k bombs that are off the table. That sucks and he needs to do more. Israel has a 400bn economy, they don't even need our fucking weapons. Ugh what a letdown.

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Foppe
05/15/24 3:51:00 PM
#349:


Kradek posted...
Ok, so it was just the 2k bombs that are off the table. That sucks and he needs to do more. Israel has a 400bn economy, they don't even need our fucking weapons. Ugh what a letdown
Is it better that they start to hire Wagner and becomes Russia allied?

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Antifar
05/15/24 3:52:31 PM
#350:


Foppe posted...
Is it better that they start to hire Wagner and becomes Russia allied?
"if I don't help my friend do a crime, some other asshole will" is not a convincing argument, imo.

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