Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 12 - Postmodern Analysis of the Joke Phase

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PeaceFrog posted...

Right so my point is, I'm trying to go back and see what your reaction was to letting wallz take the heat from Kirby's rb instead of thinking you stopped the kill.

Kirby claimed t6 p363. Reading through this again makes me lean more towards mi than red right now but that's a separate thing than what I'm trying to focus on wrt you

Considering I still thought he was probably scum (And only slipped his name in with MI in my opening post to not be blatant that I saved MI) I had no issues with letting it ride and seeing what came of it. By the end of the day I was pretty sure Wall was scum and Kirby did in fact block him.

I just got confused is all.
Now I get it, I think.

I just want to say that my interest in playing drops a good bit when my scum guesses are being met with "if you think this you are just bad" instead of any effort to explain oneself. Not because I can't take a false low blow but it just sucks out the fun.

If you are town then you are being the bad player by acting like this instead of explaining yourself especially when it comes from players you think are town. It's literally in the core concept of the game to be suspected and every single player by nature makes a lot of incorrect guesses. So be f***ing better when that suspecting which hits everyone at some point hits you. This actually goes regardless of alignment.

When I presented the case of you having Lopen's role.

Well that or scum but you called me gown later.

I mean we can leave it there but yeah.

For what its worth I thought it was an interesting case to raise, Ctes.

Most people seemed to humor it!

I don't really think any differently now either, game state it basically exactly the same.

Frankly as much as Id like to look elsewhere every player except for Red & Peaf have something going for them in terms of being town (or at least not-scum with particular regard to Ben)

So with that said Im still here frankly:

##Vote: Peaf

while its nice he committed to subway from page 1 if thats on a safe list its not too too hard to commit to that there.

Red i would like to know if your flavor is Britta though

Meow1000 posted...

Actually to be more even precise I didn't just distance myself from doctor, I openly hinted at investigation, and I'm betting scum thought I was some weak investigation role. Because I thought I stopped the kill, I operated as if Corrik was definitely lying.

You know, ironically enough, this is probably the one good thing Corrik did. That misdirection just might have been the sole reason scum shot into Isquen and SBell instead of any soft- or full-claimed players. Makes me feel way better about Blade being an authentic town Doctor; this line of thought tracks and would be difficult to feign as scum.

changmas posted...

Frankly as much as Id like to look elsewhere every player except for Red & Peaf have something going for them in terms of being town (or at least not-scum with particular regard to Ben)

So with that said Im still here frankly:

##Vote: Peaf

while its nice he committed to subway from page 1 if thats on a safe list its not too too hard to commit to that there.

Red i would like to know if your flavor is Britta though

What's the case for MI?

changmas posted...

Red i would like to know if your flavor is Britta though

Can't be, red never lived in New York

Kirby321 posted...

What's the case for MI?

you blocked him last night?

It's not about being sensitive, I'm not trying to say I was hurt in any way.

I'm trying to say "could you look at what males the case and not just call the conclusion trash". Like walk me through your thoughts that I say I can't see coming from a town perspective so we get somewhere. If you want to call me a bad player too fell free, but if you leave it at that only then what's the point.

changmas posted...

you blocked him last night?

Lol

Also add to this day 1 trains makes him look more likely town. Definitely a worse role if scum.

changmas posted...

you blocked him last night?

Oh, right. I keep forgetting I did that lol

Kirby321 posted...

You know, ironically enough, this is probably the one good thing Corrik did. That misdirection just might have been the sole reason scum shot into Isquen and SBell instead of any soft- or full-claimed players. Makes me feel way better about Blade being an authentic town Doctor; this line of thought tracks and would be difficult to feign as scum.

But like do you have any idea how badly town instantly implodes if I actually claim on day 2.

Meow1000 posted...

But like do you have any idea how badly town instantly implodes if I actually claim on day 2.

For sure. You had hella more restraint than I did with claiming, and you handled it well.

I was pretty clear at the time that it was not in town's best interests for me to claim.

Yeah pretending to be scanner sounds like the smarter play.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Sure. Whats the question?

How do you go from not having SBell in the widest possible poe to the same night scanning him? He didn't make inactivity excuses and no one openly suspected him. He was also a town soul read two days before.

Then less direct but you took a lot of credit for Knightz but you went after a pretty successful MI lynch until 15 minutes before deadline when it already had died with Kirby's vote. Like you speak as if Knightz was never actually gonna survived by you were part of why that almost happened.

What are votals anyway?

ctesjbuvf posted...

What are votals anyway?

If I had to guess, 3 for Red, 2 for Peaf, 0 for everyone else

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

I dont think i left out anything important.

I am still confused with how much ben has been called 3p with igcd sitting openly with a 3p win con on the board all game.

It gives me slightly greater town lean to ben.

Honestly it was the BP thing.

"BP Neighborizer" reeks on Indy

Leafeon13N posted...

I dont think i left out anything important.

I am still confused with how much ben has been called 3p with igcd sitting openly with a 3p win con on the board all game.

It gives me slightly greater town lean to ben.

Sorry, what is it that you believe to be my wincon?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Bell was acting weird yesterday. The second he acts weird, I want to confirm him either way.

I was never, ever going to lynch MI. That was bait for future info. Speaking of, brb.

Wall basically told the entire game he was town.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sorry, what is it that you believe to be my wincon?

I dont know. I'm just spitballing.

But your role is nonstandard and has a condition.

Maybe you are just town, but you are never going to be met without some skepticism from me with that claim.

Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby), FD, Peaf, (Kirby)
[3] Peaf - Mzero, Kirby, Changmas
[1] Ben - (MI), (Ulti), (Ulti), (FD), Ulti
[0] MI - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Kirby)
[0] Blade - (Ulti)
[0] FD - (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Thursday, May 9th at 6 PM EST.

UltimaterializerX posted...

So Red AND Peaf finished on MI day one.

Id like reasons from both.

I mean thats been pointed out since day3.
Red was at least an early voter, but him leaving that vote there is why I dont think he can be scum with MI.

How'd you come back around to Peaf

Also does it matter where Peaf finished he called Corrik town all day and only voted Red with a few hours left

Peaf did change his mind (he says) when Corrik claimed to be a kidnapper, but that was not really a circumstance in his control.

UltimaterializerX posted...

So Red AND Peaf finished on MI day one.

Id like reasons from both.

i love more competing lynches as town on day 1 and MI never pinged as anything more than a background player with little conviction.

htaeD posted...

Peaf did change his mind (he says) when Corrik claimed to be a kidnapper, but that was not really a circumstance in his control.

I still find it curious how seeing that claim made me think Corrik was probably town yet some people really seemed to jump on it.

Leafeon13N posted...

i love more competing lynches as town on day 1 and MI never pinged as anything more than a background player with little conviction.

I would agree with this take of day 1 MI.

Meow1000 posted...

I still find it curious how seeing that claim made me think Corrik was probably town yet some people really seemed to jump on it.

I thought he was full of shit scum but nothing from corrik surprises me.

The vanilla claim made more sense but i didn't have enough justification to suddenly think he was town.

From my perspective, knowing I'm town, I struggle to see a scum team that doesnt include red

Leafeon13N posted...

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

Okay fine. I don't think Red makes that post as scum. He just tries to shut up and say as little as possible here.

##Unvote

Leafeon13N posted...

I thought he was full of shit scum but nothing from corrik surprises me.

The vanilla claim made more sense but i didn't have enough justification to suddenly think he was town.

I thought he was going to flip town vanilla and that claim was just to mock the town as if it weren't totally his fault, but really at that point he deserved everything he was getting.