Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 12 - Postmodern Analysis of the Joke Phase

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Man have you read today, I am like the reason it has been discussed!

Ulti knows I can actually get him lynched for it though. His day 3 was set up just to come after me today.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

red has had more days off this game AND he's posting from his alt today so i'm gonna take an educated guess and say... Disneyland?

Wait what i just got done working 6 days in a row.

I'm not at Disneyland i try to avoid it when I'm town I've gotten superstition.

changmas posted...

you literally cant protect him though? It would stop his scan lmao

I'm doctor.

Ulti has been demanding doctor protection by inflating how strong his claim is. When I said I never saved him once (I never once considered it), he snapped at me and immediately tried to kill me. He wanted that overarching justification for living nights 1-3 and I didn't give it to him.

Now Ulti's excuse for being alive is going to be "Well someone's a godfather and scum doesn't care if he scans everyone anyway".

Actually out for a hair cut because work is stupid and requires short hair.

Well no, that's not his excuse now. His excuse now is I'm still alive.

His excuse after I die will turn into that. My bet is he doesn't kill me tonight and immediately busses a scum-scanning scum tomorrow. He won't claim to have scanned that scum though, he'll instead claim an innocent scan on some random town member.

Leafeon13N posted...

Wait what i just got done working 6 days in a row.

I'm not at Disneyland i try to avoid it when I'm town I've gotten superstition.

After 3-4 days off at the start of the game. Those days where you basically said nothing except argued with me -_-

So you're aware it's a scum tell and you went out of your way to avoid it? :D

Meow1000 posted...

I'm doctor.

Ulti has been demanding doctor protection by inflating how strong his claim is. When I said I never saved him once (I never once considered it), he snapped at me and immediately tried to kill me. He wanted that overarching justification for living nights 1-3 and I didn't give it to him.

Now Ulti's excuse for being alive is going to be "Well someone's a godfather and scum doesn't care if he scans everyone anyway".

To be fair dont we have a good guess where scums shots have gone?

Blade can you talk me through your thinking from this post early in t6:

Meow1000 posted...

But yeah guess is scum actually shot me and Corrik is trying to get the doctor to out himself.

Can confirm was not roleblocked though.

Did you think that if you referred to the doctor as someone else and said you could otherwise act but were not doctor, it would distract scum into shooting elsewhere?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

After 3-4 days off at the start of the game. Those days where you basically said nothing except argued with me -_-

So you're aware it's a scum tell and you went out of your way to avoid it? :D

I do in fsct try to avoid disneyland when I'm town.

And sometimes I'll intentionally go when scum.
.the rest of you caused this.

Sometimes i do go to Disneyland when town but i go a lot.

Ive scumhammered like 3 games from Disneyland and 1 from Disney World.

TotallyNotMI posted...

IGCD I know you said you'll just vote whoever but pretend you didn't have to be the hammerer

Who do you suspect

At this point I suspect everyone lol

But in all seriousness, it think we need to break the game into a few groups...

Group 1
Red
Ulti
Blade
MI

These are the players too good to keep alive if you're scum because you will lose. Of these 4 Red hasn't been verbally abusive to me which is his biggest town tell for me and he is the most likely player in the gameto let me shoot a vig shot as scum.

Group 2
Scanned
Vanillas
Unscanned

Now obviously this group has gf fear/unscanned scum and has some overlap with Group 3 and I'd have to actually look at the player list to remind myself who is in which group(between 2 and 3)

Group 3
Power claims

Ben
Kirby
Me
FD

Out of these 4 I think Ben is the highest likelihood of being scum due to neighbourizer fear but he hasn't had a post to ping my scumdar which is usually quite spot on for him and Sultan.

I intentionally removed the big 4 from groups 2 and 3 in my assessment because they are a league of their own.

So ultimately Red is honestly the person I find to be most likely scum and actually feel more confident about his lynch over Corriks.

...Corrik is dead tho?

htaeD posted...

To be fair dont we have a good guess where scums shots have gone?

We do yes.

Ulti wanted two things out of it: Proof that scum couldn't have killed him if they tried (He keeps using "rule 1" and such with me), and a sense of importance. If the doctor saves the same person every night, it influences the town's mindset as a whole that that person matters and is town.

Instead Ulti got a doctor that never trusted him at all who sees right through his bag of tricks because I've seen it all before. Ulti set up coming after me today because he did not think I was doctor and was going to try to "trap" me into some other claim. Ulti's reaction to me was over the top because I established myself as a clear and dangerous threat when I claimed. It rattled him and the result was his biggest slip up of the game.

PeaceFrog posted...

Blade can you talk me through your thinking from this post early in t6:

Did you think that if you referred to the doctor as someone else and said you could otherwise act but were not doctor, it would distract scum into shooting elsewhere?

Dude I made like 4 or 5 posts specifically trying to claim "not doctor" on day 2 pick whichever you like.

Actually to be more even precise I didn't just distance myself from doctor, I openly hinted at investigation, and I'm betting Ulti thought I was some weak investigation role he could try to run over. Because I thought I stopped the kill, I operated as if Corrik was definitely lying.

Then when Kirby "blocked the kill" I still knew Corrik had to be lying because we weren't having JK+Doctor+RB in a game, but it kind of trapped me into a lie I didn't know I'd told when I used the word "impossible".

Hmm
Well I dont think Lopen was a doc, otherwise that would mean scumBlade used that role from Lopen just to counter Corriks insane 'no warning roleblocker' claim.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Group 1
Red
Ulti
Blade
MI

These are the players too good to keep alive if you're scum because you will lose.

did you...misspell "Death"?

Hey scum me is not that good. Just good at not giving up

htaeD posted...

Hey scum me is not that good. Just good at not giving up

No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

UltimaterializerX posted...

Gut. This behavior doesnt track with last game at all. I was so sure last time that I was about to just make up a guilty scan to kill him.

Scum Red would be on a team of 5 or so this time, with only two dead. I can only see him being this angry/defensive/whatever if hes the godfather and 100% has to stay alive to prevent a bunch of other people from getting confirmed. Usually as scum he just afks or pockets people.

I just touched on it but Red tends to go out of his way to berate me when he is town and I haven't seen that at all and I've even made some posts to try and bait it out of him but he hasn't even really acknowledged me. There was one instance where he said he always wants to kill me but it was super tame compared to what I am used to from him.

Kirby321 posted...

No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

Right on both counts.

htaeD posted...

Hmm
Well I dont think Lopen was a doc, otherwise that would mean scumBlade used that role from Lopen just to counter Corriks insane 'no warning roleblocker' claim.

Counterpoint:

Why. Scum knew that Wall was F'd the moment Kirby claimed. I have no reason to just not call him a liar and wait for the guy who blocked Wall to say something. I used Corrik to distance myself from being doctor and to make sure I wouldn't be put under any sort of real pressure. Ulti's logic is that scum Blade decided to claim power day 2 when he didn't have to for essentially no reason, but he also bussed Wallz' broken as crack role from the start and is now bussing Ben as well

With a doctor claim.

But yeah there's no way Ulti actually comes after me today if he thinks I'm doctor. Ulti needed the doctor to stay alive and unquestioned. It was the ultimate backfire on him and he showed it.

Kirby321 posted...

No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

This.

Kirby321 posted...

No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

Oh
In that case I have no idea what FD is saying

UltimaterializerX posted...

lmao

Its good to know if Blade is town here, his credibility is gone for life (like Lopen), which has the added benefit of people not playing scared of him anymore.

Because GDMF if youre town you are trash at reading me if you think Im scum in any universe this game.

I had a shmuck claim a roleblock on me on a no kill night as doctor whose action was successful.

So yeah, I bent the truth a little.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just touched on it but Red tends to go out of his way to berate me when he is town and I haven't seen that at all and I've even made some posts to try and bait it out of him but he hasn't even really acknowledged me. There was one instance where he said he always wants to kill me but it was super tame compared to what I am used to from him.

He's berated plenty of other people, But I myself didnt notice that you were baiting Red.

Also love the double standard there Ulti.

Meow1000 posted...

Counterpoint:

Why. Scum knew that Wall was F'd the moment Kirby claimed. I have no reason to just not call him a liar and wait for the guy who blocked Wall to say something. I used Corrik to distance myself from being doctor and to make sure I wouldn't be put under any sort of real pressure. Ulti's logic is that scum Blade decided to claim power day 2 when he didn't have to for essentially no reason, but he also bussed Wallz' broken as crack role from the start and is now bussing Ben as well

With a doctor claim.

But yeah there's no way Ulti actually comes after me today if he thinks I'm doctor. Ulti needed the doctor to stay alive and unquestioned. It was the ultimate backfire on him and he showed it.

Thats also a very good point.
Now Ulti sounds like he thinks you are town though.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This.

O should clarify that I don't even mean at endgame I just mean in general

htaeD posted...

Thats also a very good point.
Now Ulti sounds like he thinks you are town though.

No, Ulti has pretty clearly set up to call me scum again.

Ulti's behavior probably means Ben isn't.

UltimaterializerX posted...

He is.

Scum basically has to shoot Kirby, him, then me in order with Blade saving me twice. And if Blade punts then hes scum or Lopen/Corrik tier, and his pride wont allow the latter so town should still be fine.

Can't wait for when you inevitably have an innocent scan on all but one or two people

Can people seriously stop trying to direct IGCD.

Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Then we lynch Ulti if that player flips town

changmas posted...

Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Exception to that I think: If the guilty scan is Ben, he might be 3P bulletproof still. I don't like how he rescinded the BP claim when it was the part people found the most suspicious. But I wouldn't want to risk wasting the vig shot there.

changmas posted...

Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Unless it's Ben because he might actually be BP if he scans guilty.

^5 FD

(caps)

UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCD.

If I get a guilty scan tonight, do you want to shoot that player and lynch semi-blind or shoot semi-blind and lynch the guilty scan? I trust you more than anyone else in the game, so whatever you want goes.

Semi blind so my shot actually inspires fear

changmas posted...

Then we lynch Ulti if that player flips town

There is no way Ulti is claiming a scum scan on a town member

Meow1000 posted...

Actually to be more even precise I didn't just distance myself from doctor, I openly hinted at investigation, and I'm betting Ulti thought I was some weak investigation role he could try to run over. Because I thought I stopped the kill, I operated as if Corrik was definitely lying.

Then when Kirby "blocked the kill" I still knew Corrik had to be lying because we weren't having JK+Doctor+RB in a game, but it kind of trapped me into a lie I didn't know I'd told when I used the word "impossible".

Right so my point is, I'm trying to go back and see what your reaction was to letting wallz take the heat from Kirby's rb instead of thinking you stopped the kill.

Kirby claimed t6 p363. Reading through this again makes me lean more towards mi than red right now but that's a separate thing than what I'm trying to focus on wrt you

changmas posted...

Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Lame

UltimaterializerX posted...

We should be lynching him tbh

Man I feel like Ulti is calling me scum except for times he's trying to appeal to me to get my vote off of red

At the very least it should be impossible for Ulti to scan someone that scum would want to kill tonight.

htaeD posted...

Oh
In that case I have no idea what FD is saying

?
He just told you what I was saying and I agreed with him.

If I had to make a list of players I would want to NK as scum you would be damn near the top and Ulti would be just off the bottom which is why I thought it felt weird for IGCD to put Ulti on his list of 4 town players scum should fear. No major offense to you Ulti, you just exude broken clock syndrome when you happen to be right about someone. The fact that you will regularly vote for literally everyone but yourself probably doesn't help.