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People are still parroting that PlayStation has no games nonsense all these years later, huh.

LonelyStoner posted...

People are still parroting that PlayStation has no games nonsense all these years later, huh.

I mean let's be honest, no current gen console really has any worthwhile games as far as really being this gen goes.

Maybe FFXIV and Alan Wake 2, everything else has basically been a last gen game with four times the budget and slightly better graphics.

R_Jackal posted...

I mean let's be honest, no current gen console really has any worthwhile games as far as really being this gen goes.

Maybe FFXIV and Alan Wake 2, everything else has basically been a last gen game with four times the budget and slightly better graphics.

The newer Spider-Man games, the newer God of War games, the Horizon games, the upcoming Wolverine game, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us games, and the recent Stellar Blade game.

Sonys exclusives blow Microsoft out of the water.

LonelyStoner posted...

The newer Spider-Man games, the newer God of War games, the Horizon games, the upcoming Wolverine game, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us games, and the recent Stellar Blade game.

Sonys exclusives blow Microsoft out of the water.

I was speaking strictly current gen games. Most of those are cross with last gen.

There's been very little reason to buy in to this gen at all, even though it's like 4 years in.

R_Jackal posted...

I was speaking strictly current gen games. Most of those are cross with last gen.

There's been very little reason to buy in to this gen at all, even though it's like 4 years in.

And I was speaking on the tired joke of claiming PlayStation has no games.

LonelyStoner posted...

And I was speaking on the tired joke of claiming PlayStation has no games.

Yeah but that's all personal opinion. The only game on that list that I liked is Ghost of Tsushima. So to me, it's basically none. Even then I liked Days Gone more but I got that on PC.

Plus, Sony is making moves to PC to make exclusives mean even less than they do now, the only real reason to support one console over the other is if you like the logo

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Because its still a big leap from the current switch? Thats why what he posted doesnt make any sense. I want a more powerful switch, thats what this successor is going to be.

You think its more reasonable that nintendo continues trying to develop for the regular switch than release a more powerful one, even if its less powerful than its rival consoles? Where were you during the Wii years, or the wii u years, or even now during the switch years?

No, I want Nintendo to go third party, but if they arent going to hold games hostage to hardware, they should stop being cheap. The only reason they put out such weak hardware is that people let them get away with it. They have the money to do something thats competitive with the PC handhelds if they want to. The reason the Switch was as out of date as it was is that it was cheaper for Nintendo to buy out of date chips than it was current chips at the time, and this is no different.

R_Jackal posted...

Yeah but that's all personal opinion. The only game on that list that I liked is Ghost of Tsushima. So to me, it's basically none.

Im sorry you feel that way.The Spider-Man and God of War games are phenomenal.

So when Xbox games are playable on PC, it counts as if they dont exist on Xbox.
When Playstation games are playable on PC, they still count as Playstation games.
And Nintendo got no exclusives because emulators.

God of War was too on rails for me, and Spider Man ones just felt largely inferior to the older titles, just prettier. Also fuck the stealth sequences.

Not a big fan of cinematic spectacle in games, and I just didn't care for the stage design or combat enough in God of War to give the game time of day.

R_Jackal posted...

God of War was too on rails for me, and Spider Man ones just felt largely inferior to the older titles, just prettier. Also fuck the stealth sequences.

Not a big fan of cinematic spectacle in games, and I just didn't care for the stage design or combat enough in God of War to give the game time of day.

Theres tons of open world sections in God of War >_>

And the combat and puzzles are top notch.

Foppe posted...

So when Xbox games are playable on PC, it counts as if they dont exist on Xbox.
When Playstation games are playable on PC, they still count as Playstation games.
And Nintendo got no exclusives because emulators.

Xbox games are available on PC day 1, whereas PlayStstion games dont come to PC for about 2 years usually. This isnt hard.

PraetorXyn posted...

No, I want Nintendo to go third party, but if they arent going to hold games hostage to hardware, they should stop being cheap. The only reason they put out such weak hardware is that people let them get away with it. They have the money to do something thats competitive with the PC handhelds if they want to. The reason the Switch was as out of date as it was is that it was cheaper for Nintendo to buy out of date chips than it was current chips at the time, and this is no different.

Why would nintendo go third party after one of their most successful systems yet lmao

Nintendo isnt trying to be on the cutting edge of power and compete with shit like the steam deck. Theyre about accessibility and ease of access, while still being affordable. You want something entirely different than what nintendo is aiming for, and youre probably never going to get it.

Buy a steam deck if you want a very powerful expensive handheld. Youre not getting that from nintendo.

LonelyStoner posted...

Theres tons of open world sections in God of War >_>

And the combat and puzzles are top notch.

The puzzles were super easy, and if you ever had to think for a second you usually had NPCs beating you over the head verbally. Not saying the game wasn't open ever, but it was a very clearly.. curated experience that just didn't resonate with me at all, easiest way I could put it.

Open to me means allowing sequence breaks or freedom of choice. God of War tried to fake open for the sake of having places to go.

The combat was dull to me, and felt like it tried to be more cinematic/attention grabbing than actually good as a game.

LonelyStoner posted...

Im sorry you feel that way.The Spider-Man and God of War games are phenomenal.

Wowee, 4 whole games over a span of 5 years! Thats almost 1 whole good game a year! Theyre killing it!

The spider man games can be beaten over a long weekend. Theyre good, but not good value for the money, and certainly not for the amount of manpower and years it takes to make them.

PraetorXyn posted...

Xbox games are available on PC day 1, whereas PlayStstion games dont come to PC for about 2 years usually. This isnt hard.

Both appears on both console and PC.
This isnt hard.

The industry is also literally collapsing under the weight of extended development time and the inflated budgets and profits needed just to break even.

Why do people expect nintendo to go all in on an expensive and powerful beast of a machine NOW of all times?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The industry is also literally collapsing under the weight of extended development time and the inflated budgets and profits needed just to break even.

Why do people expect nintendo to go all in on an expensive and powerful beast of a machine NOW of all times?

That's also the biggest point. The "mainstream" part of game dev is failing harder than it has ever in the past 20 years, with signs of it only ever getting worse in the near future. This would be the literal worst time to go "Hey we have a formula that works for us, but what if we ignore that and do what everyone else is doing?"

R_Jackal posted...

That's also the biggest point. The "mainstream" part of game dev is failing harder than it has ever in the past 20 years, with signs of it only ever getting worse in the near future. This would be the literal worst time to go "Hey we have a formula that works for us, but what if we ignore that and do what everyone else is doing?"

Yeah there are some nonsensical ideas in here. The dude i was responding to earlier wants nintendo to go third party.

Why the fuck would they go third party after their massive success of the cheapest and least powerful console on the market?

LonelyStoner posted...

Im sorry you feel that way.The Spider-Man and God of War games are phenomenal.

Those aren't even PS exclusive though

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1817070/Marvels_SpiderMan_Remastered/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1593500/God_of_War/

Both Horizons came to PC, Last of Us part 1 came to PC

I don't give a shit either way about some console war nonsense, but with a lot of shit going multiplat and the Switch going through a major dry spell of endless remasters/ports, as well as being in a really good spot emulation wise, all on top of the rise of mobile PCs like the steam deck...the console space just isn't looking very interesting to me these days. This gen has been a real flop imo

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah there are some nonsensical ideas in here. The dude i was responding to earlier wants nintendo to go third party.

Why the fuck would they go third party after their massive success of the cheapest and least powerful console on the market?

If Nintendo did what PlayStstiin is doing where they release their exclusives on Steam a couple years after release, theyd literally print billions of dollars the first day they did it. So many people would even buy Switch games they already own again, because Nintendos hardware is awful and offers no compelling reason for itself to exist. Their software is amazing, but its held back by their terrible hardware.

PraetorXyn posted...

If Nintendo did what PlayStstiin is doing where they release their exclusives on Steam a couple years after release, theyd literally print billions of dollars the first day they did it. So many people would even buy Switch games they already own again, because Nintendos hardware is awful and offers no compelling reason for itself to exist. Their software is amazing, but its held back by their terrible hardware.

Theyve made a profit starting day one on all that terrible hardware. Theyve made as much profit during the switch years as they made from all other gaming years combined.

ADW posted...

Theyve made a profit starting day one on all that terrible hardware. Theyve made as much profit during the switch years as they made from all other gaming years combined.

And? None of that in any way refutes anything I said. Releasing games on PC would only add cargo ship loads of money on top of that.

PraetorXyn posted...

If Nintendo did what PlayStation is doing where they release their exclusives on Steam a couple years after release, theyd literally print billions of dollars the first day they did it. So many people would even buy Switch games they already own again, because Nintendos hardware is awful and offers no compelling reason for itself to exist. Their software is amazing, but its held back by their terrible hardware.

And in the process of putting their games on PC, they give their consoles less of a reason to exist. Just accept that if you want nintendo, you have to buy their consoles. This is like another level of port-begging where you just want all of their exclusives to go to pc.

The market NEEDS a cheap, reliable platform right now more than ever, and Nintendo has done that brilliantly with the switch. Going third party right now would again, be nonsensical.

PraetorXyn posted...

And? None of that in any way refutes anything I said. Releasing games on PC would only add cargo ship loads of money on top of that.

So theyd be trading one profit source for another, along with that source taking a cut?

Makes sense I guess

Whats the top selling steam game? PUBG at around 60 million? How long did it take that? Mario Kart beats that alone not to mention the hundreds of millions of others. Uh I think Nintendo is doing ok.

Interesting. I wonder if that will be enough with the emergence of newer gaming handhelds like the the Steam Deck, ROG Ally and Legion Go.
Lenovo is supposedly working on a Go 2 already and Id be shocked if theres not a Steam Deck successor at some point.

At least for me Nintendo IP isnt enough of a trade off to purchase a Switch 2 over those.

PraetorXyn posted...

If Nintendo did what PlayStation is doing where they release their exclusives on Steam a couple years after release, theyd literally print billions of dollars the first day they did it. So many people would even buy Switch games they already own again, because Nintendos hardware is awful and offers no compelling reason for itself to exist. Their software is amazing, but its held back by their terrible hardware.

I dont think Nintendo would ever do this based on history but I like the idea. I cant reasonably buy a Switch over these other handheld PCs. I would for sure play their games on one of them though.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

And in the process of putting their games on PC, they give their consoles less of a reason to exist. Just accept that if you want nintendo, you have to buy their consoles. This is like another level of port-begging where you just want all of their exclusives to go to pc.

Not really. Many people would buy Switch and on Switch anyway because not everyone games on PC.

The market NEEDS a cheap, reliable platform right now more than ever, and Nintendo has done that brilliantly with the switch. Going third party right now would again, be nonsensical.

And thats fine, just dont hold games hostage to it, or anyone with any kind of standards whatsoever is going to emulate at 2x resolution and 2x frame rate instead. The fortune theyd save on being able to end their legal crusade against emulation alone is probably worth doing delayed releases on PC.

ADW posted...

So theyd be trading one profit source for another, along with that source taking a cut?

No, theyd be supplementing one source of profit with another one without losing a thing, just as PlayStation has done.

As for the cut, as Ubisoft and EA have had to learn, and as Epic Games is learning now, 70% of way more sales is better than 100% of way less. Nintendo also handily passes the threshold where Valve takes less than a 30% cut.

Makes sense I guess

History says it does.

Whats the top selling steam game? PUBG at around 60 million? How long did it take that? Mario Kart beats that alone not to mention the hundreds of millions of others. Uh I think Nintendo is doing ok.

Of course they are, but corporations always want more money. Money isnt the reason they dont. Theyre just massive control freaks.

MrDrMan posted...

I dont think Nintendo would ever do this based on history but I like the idea. I cant reasonably buy a Switch over these other handheld PCs. I would for sure play their games on one of them though.

Oh they definitely wont, but thats only because they win have to. If people only bought exclusives on Switch and didnt buy any third parties for it, for instance, Nintendo might be forced to compromise a little.

PraetorXyn posted...

Oh they definitely wont, but thats only because they win have to. If people only bought exclusives on Switch and didnt buy any third parties for it, for instance, Nintendo might be forced to compromise a little.

I genuinely see no reason to play and third party games on Switch. It was different when they were the only real handheld option. There are multiple other options out there that do way more things with similar form factor now though.

I hope it happens or I hope they have some new innovation that will change the industry again. Not looking like it though.

PraetorXyn posted...

If Nintendo did what PlayStation is doing where they release their exclusives on Steam a couple years after release, theyd literally print billions of dollars the first day they did it. So many people would even buy Switch games they already own again, because Nintendos hardware is awful and offers no compelling reason for itself to exist. Their software is amazing, but its held back by their terrible hardware.

MrDrMan posted...

I dont think Nintendo would ever do this based on history but I like the idea.

If this ever happens I'm willing to bet money Apple will be their partner. The two have very common design and development philosophies, and it requires the least amount of effort on Nintendo's part for maximum reach and profit.

They essentially port their games from one ARM SoC to another and suddenly their software is available on billions of devices which natively support all major controller types and in most cases can be cast to televisions.

CRON posted...

If this ever happens I'm willing to bet money Apple will be their partner. The two have very common design and development philosophies, and it requires the least amount of effort on Nintendo's part for maximum reach and profit.

They essentially port their games from one ARM SoC to another and suddenly their software is available on billions of devices which natively support all major controller types and in most cases can be cast to televisions.

Only issue with that is that Nintendo and Apple are both notorious for keeping users locked into their ecosystem. Again, I think the idea is great. I just have little to no faith knowing the history of these companies. I wish there was more collaboration but Im just pessimistic about it.

some of yall really underestimate how much price and accessibility factor in when it comes to handhelds.

The steam deck and similar handhelds win in pure power, but lose to the switch in ease of use, battery life, and price right off the bat. When it comes to handhelds pure power is not the main goal, and really shouldnt be.

The PSP and Vita had pure power.

Foppe posted...

The PSP and Vita had pure power.

Yeah theyre good examples that power doesnt equal success.

Both got demolished by the much weaker nintendo handhelds they directly competed against

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

some of yall really underestimate how much price and accessibility factor in when it comes to handhelds.

The steam deck and similar handhelds win in pure power, but lose to the switch in ease of use, battery life, and price right off the bat. When it comes to handhelds pure power is not the main goal, and really shouldnt be.

Battery life Nintendo wins by far. Ill give you that. In terms of price and ease of use though I dont really agree. SteamOS is pretty easy to navigate. It only becomes a little tricky if you want to dual boot, emulate, or run something you need a launcher for. Most games really are as easy as buy, download, play. Also in terms of price you can buy a brand new Steam Deck for $349. A Switch OLED is $350. Very competitive especially when you consider Steam Deck is a lot more powerful.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

some of yall really underestimate how much price and accessibility factor in when it comes to handhelds.

The steam deck and similar handhelds win in pure power, but lose to the switch in ease of use, battery life, and price right off the bat. When it comes to handhelds pure power is not the main goal, and really shouldnt be.

The Steam Deck does not lose to Switch in ease of use. It has a far better UI / UX. Battery life and cost yes, but:

1. Steam Deck OLED has fantastic battery life given its power
2. Its frankly shameful the Switch still costs as much as it does considering how antiquated it is.

PraetorXyn posted...

The Steam Deck does not lose to Switch in ease of use. It has a far better UI / UX. Battery life and cost yes, but:
1. Steam Deck OLED has fantastic battery life given its power
2. Its frankly shameful the Switch still costs as much as it does considering how antiquated it is.

By ease of use I mean simply that when you put in a switch game you know its designed to work specifically for the switch.

Steam deck doesnt have that guarantee. You may have to tweak settings to get games to run properly, and Steam OS is not without its share of bugs and glitches. It can do more than the switch, but its objectively less simple to get things to work sometimes.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

By ease of use I mean simply that when you put in a switch game you know its designed to work specifically for the switch.

Steam deck doesnt have that guarantee. You may have to tweak settings to get games to run properly, and Steam OS is not without its share of bugs and glitches. It can do more than the switch, but its objectively less simple to get things to work sometimes.

The games that require tweaking 99% of the time are games the Switch cant even run. Games that arent very demanding rarely require anything.

It can do more which is why it requires tweaking at times but it still has a low barrier to entry for casual gamers.

MrDrMan posted...

The games that require tweaking 99% of the time are games the Switch cant even run. Games that arent very demanding rarely require anything.

It can do more which is why it requires tweaking at times but it still has a low barrier to entry for casual gamers.

Yeah, like i said it can do more, but that can also require more from the user. A steam deck probably isnt something id give to a younger or super casual gamer as a gift.

I just think both can coexist without nintendo needing to go third party.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah, like i said it can do more, but that can also require more from the user. A steam deck probably isnt something id give to a younger or super casual gamer as a gift.

I just think both can coexist without nintendo needing to go third party.

They dont need to stop making consoles. Just give me first party games after 2 years without forcing me to emulate them if I want a half-decent experience. Its pretty sad how hard their hardware holds their software back. BotW absolutely chugged on Switch.

Nintendo is the only growing company out of the 3 console makers, and you guys still talk about going 3rd party. That's just literally insane behavior, I dunno, like I'm glad their body at least does the breathing for them

ADW posted...

Wowee, 4 whole games over a span of 5 years! Thats almost 1 whole good game a year! Theyre killing it!

The spider man games can be beaten over a long weekend. Theyre good, but not good value for the money, and certainly not for the amount of manpower and years it takes to make them.

Thats your opinion. You dont have to buy the console. Stick to PC gaming if that suits you better. Sony still has the better exclusives.

LonelyStoner posted...

Thats your opinion. You dont have to buy the console. Stick to PC gaming if that suits you better. Sony still has the better exclusives.

But theyre not even exclusive the PS5 exclusive list is a joke.

How many teraflops?

ADW posted...

But theyre not even exclusive the PS5 exclusive list is a joke.

Call me when youre playing them on Xbox or Switch. Again, enjoy your PC experience.

LonelyStoner posted...

Call me when youre playing them on Xbox or Switch. Again, enjoy your PC experience.

How in the world does that translate into Sony has the better exclusives?

ADW posted...

How in the world does that translate into Sony has the better exclusives?

Because the original argument is about consoles, not PC. And those are Sony games. Im glad you can get them on a $3k PC. Like I said, enjoy your PC experience.

LonelyStoner posted...

Because the original argument is about consoles, not PC. Like I said, enjoy your PC experience.

Make a topic right now with a poll on who has the best exclusives and watch the PS5 get laughed out of the topic. Youre delusional. You cant twist exclusive to fit your definition. Either it is or it isnt.

ADW posted...

Make a topic right now with a poll on who has the best console exclusives and watch the PS5 get laughed out of the topic. Youre delusional. You cant twist exclusive to fit your definition. Either it is or it isnt.

Ill just let you enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Or dont. Its up to you. Its all opinions.