Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 13 - Ethics of Appealing to Emotion

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Death and ctes in the morning

UltimaterializerX posted...

Active night

Really waiting on ctes.

God I am beyond myself that Kirby actually jailkept Ulti.

And you guys are all too bloodthirsty for your own good
I saw Ben make that awful post about Red, it made me think Ben was scum and Red town, I voted him. Its crystal clear.
I also did not want a tie to randomize the lynch results.
Then I thought better of myself and reasoned that it was probably still better to resolve the 3nilla situation in at least some way, so I shifted to Peaf (and not Red as explained above)

And I warned Ulti not to scan Kirby since he DID say something to the effect of wanting to do so.
Forgive me for not noticing that he took it back/said otherwise in the rush of things happening near deadline.

If you cant see how town me can do that, than I dont know what else to say.

PunishedBen posted...

Death why did you ask me this with less than 2 minutes left in the day while voting me? Was I supposed to answer in time enough to convince you to unvote me?

Probably not in hindsight. It was just the question that came up at the time.
PunishedBen posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d17180b.png
I wanna know what Death saw since this went unexplained and just seemed like a scummy post to sound cool lol

Whats there to explain. I saw Peaf making an odd post about distracting town from Corrik/Blade. That did not make sense. But what it meant for Peaf was the part 'I could not quite put into words'. And you should remember the context that Ulti asked people if they saw the same thing about Peafs post that he did. Thats why I said I saw something, but not what Ulti saw so clearly.

changmas posted...

can we just say fuck it and kill death

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d140c0c0.png

he told us to lynch peaf then left, after deciding red was town. therefore here's what i've got for mzero's night target, if he did in fact redirect the kill to himself (totally possible he didn't though)

Foolish assumption. Depends on too many factors.
If you gotta go with your gut, at least dont add stuff like this to your attack.

Bro you just tied it. 5 and 5, Peaf and Ben

So I really need an explanation for why you tied it while saying no ties. The observation here is that Red is that person who you really didnt want dead the whole time you were saying No Ties

Bro you really expect anyone to count the number of votes that well at that time?
I noticed people were yelling about resolving Peaf and voting him so I switched back to him.
Like I said it was better to resolve Peaf/MI/Red and I disliked Peaf the most.
For the first vote yes I clearly did not want scumRed to die anymore since I believed Ben was setting him up for a mislynch. That one I at least believed I was breaking a tie for sure.

Meow1000 posted...

Death's EOD was an abomination.

I guess I am not used to EODs
Anyone can have a bad one. Deal with it.

Anyway ohohoho Kirby
You really think you have something do you.

htaeD posted...

Then I thought better of myself and reasoned that it was probably still better to resolve the 3nilla situation in at least some way, so I shifted to Peaf (and not Red as explained above)

Then why break the three-way tie by voting for Ben instead of voting for Red or Peaf right from the get go? This is the part that doesn't make sense.

You also want to resolve the 3nilla situation, but you specifically don't want to lynch Red and would rather lynch someone who wasn't even in that group. There's something wrong with that logic there.

Kirby321 posted...

Let's look at what Death has to say about Ben's post:

Death is very clearly giving Ben the benefit of the doubt that he's busy with work and made a post in haste.

Now here's where things get very funky. Ben clearly justified his vote on Red with this post:

You call that justification?
Thats barely a reason to vote someone HE called town just a while ago.

In other words, Ben was voting with me. My vote was on Red at the time, so Ben also votes Red. Or tries to, after accidentally voting me first.

Thats an explanation, but its rather convenient and leaves out his own opinions entirely. Lazy. I didnt like it. Why should I?

Then, after Ulti and Blade have both voted Ben, Death chimes in with:

So Ben's vote was "out of nowhere" even though he very clearly said he was voting with me? Interesting.

It was out of nowhere because he expressed a liking of Red beforehand!

And several posts after FD votes for Ben, Death says:

So Death is telling Ulti to scan the claimed Vanillas, eh? Ben is not in that group. Wouldn't it help Ulti to thin the pool of claimed Vanillas? Death clearly supports the notion that scum is in the Vanillas.

I said so because at the time I was motivated to lynch Ben and felt the rest of town as well. Dont pretend I was the first or the only one to vote Ben!
So if we were lynching Ben, than I would demand of Ulti to scan one of the nillas to at least help resolve that situation a little more since we werent gonna lynch the nillas.

Now here's the kicker. There's a three-way tie between Ben, Red, and Peaf. We have two unscanned, claimed Vanillas and one claimed Neighbor.

Death is very clearly directing Ulti to scan a vanilla. Why on earth does Death break the die by not voting one of those claimed Vanillas?

Because I wanted Ben to be lynched, because I did not think we were lynching Peaf or Red or Mi.
(and I certainly did not want Red to be lynched in the moment)

QED: You are wrong....
(Made me look up what QED means)

Anyway if you still insist on lynching me down the line, I want you all to remember the mistake you made and not sweep it away like you have done every other goddamn time you mislynch me.
I would be fine with being mislynched for the sake of PoE.
Not because of this.

Now to finally talk about someone other than me.
Didnt MI already prove he was not untargetable since Mzero or Kirby targeted him? I forget who did so.
So why would Ulti think MI was untargetable?
Plus he should have scanned Ben IMO, or even Red.

Kirby321 posted...

Then why break the three-way tie by voting for Ben instead of voting for Red or Peaf right from the get go? This is the part that doesn't make sense.

You also want to resolve the 3nilla situation, but you specifically don't want to lynch Red and would rather lynch someone who wasn't even in that group. There's something wrong with that logic there.

At that moment I was (perhaps too emotionally) suspicious of Ben to want to lynch anyone else. So I settled for resolving the 3 nilla situation later, and demanded that Ulti help with that.
Either way I was not gonna vote Red anymore. And I figured that if Ben flipped scum, Red would be proven town anyway.

That was my logic, made with the pressure of deadline being minutes away, so you should be able to understand that it may have been rushed.

And again just because Ben said he would follow you, does not mean it was a good reason at all to vote Red.
To me it just looked oppurtunistic and contradictory.

Kirby321 posted...

I think the scum is definitively Red and Death.

Red has been incredibly deflective and trying to push authority when his presence was otherwise very absent in the first several days of the game.

Death's vote on Ben yesterday and the poor justifications for it look incredibly opportunistic. There was absolutely ZERO reason not to lynch an unclaimed Vanilla yesterday, and the only reason Red is standing here today and IGCD doesn't have a vig shot is because of the idiotic Ben special that showed up out of nowhere.

Ben caused that himself so..
I will apologize to IGCD at least. I am sorry that I ruined the plan, but I thought lynching Ben was more important atm

Death i hate you.

Harsh
But perhaps fair.

It was a mistake to vote Ben at that time, I see that now.
But it just felt the right thing to do in the moment

Homestly I'm more annoyed that there was a big block of posts and none were. From ctes.

Lol

Anyway lets see
11 alive
I dont accept that scum gets 6 members but also an extra kill and a voteblock, so I have to assume there's only 3 scum left alive and that we arent at Mylo yet
Ctes should still claim today.

htaeD posted...

Ben caused that himself so..
I will apologize to IGCD at least. I am sorry that I ruined the plan, but I thought lynching Ben was more important atm

You are the only person I'll forgive

Ctes is finally going to show up as soon as i fall asleep.

I am able to vote today

Yes...? What else have you got.

Inb4 Ctes says it was his power all along to block his own votes for some nebulous endgoal

But nobody else has stated that they werent able to vote today, right?

Interesting if true, because my first thought is
Ulti was the votelocker

Still catching up but

You see the problem with my role, and I've been back and fourth, is that it gets a lot worse of I full claim. I also haven't been very lucky with it.

Your role seems inconsistent.

That and also swingy.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I am able to vote today

Well this looks bad for Ulti

After all who did Ulti say he visited night1?
Ctes

ctesjbuvf posted...

Still catching up but

You see the problem with my role, and I've been back and fourth, is that it gets a lot worse of I full claim. I also haven't been very lucky with it.

I think at this point in the game it's less important to have a gotcha moment Digby your role and more imporant for us to know everything to bring this game to an end

Also Ctes is full claiming now worse than 'hinting that full claiming is bad for you'?

htaeD posted...

Also Ctes is full claiming now worse than 'hinting that full claiming is bad for you'?

Yes.

But I will still say something later.

I am doubting anything as bad as a princess ahead of time.

Ctes why do you trust blade?

Anyway. Are you able to confirm that your role changes functionality?

And are you aware FD claimed to give you a pineapple.

And yes i know they aren't pineapples but for our purposes they are pineapples.

Ctes i just want to talk so i can sleep.

Leafeon13N posted...

Ctes i just want to talk so i can sleep.

I'll pillow talk with you red

Anyway while it is true that Mzero called red town before he went to sleep, he also wanted to lynch Red a minute before that and who knows how he felt about Red once he saw Peaf (his other main target) flip town.
Tho this is more me saying we have no idea who he targeted.

(And even if Mzero did taunt me. That proves fuck all.)

htaeD posted...

(And even if Mzero did taunt me. That proves fuck all.)

I don't think this is true actually but it would require evidence of his target.

But i have some stuff i need to mull over and i require a ctes.

Leafeon13N posted...

I don't think this is true actually but it would require evidence of his target.

Even if we knew his target, we have no way of knowing he was not just shot directly.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yes.

But I will still say something later.

And when it later anyway?

htaeD posted...

Even if we knew his target, we have no way of knowing he was not just shot directly.

This doesn't matter, actually.

I am confused? It doesn't?

I dont mean to say it doesn't matter period, but in the wheels spinning in my head, not currently relevant.

But i need ctes to guve me mercy and let me sleep.

Leafeon13N posted...

I dont mean to say it doesn't matter period, but in the wheels spinning in my head, not currently relevant.

Fair enough. I mentioned it more for my sake anyway due to Chang being narrowminded about it earlier.

I've been trtung to sleep but then obsessively grabbing my phone within a minute.

I was doing that last night over the Oilers playoff game

Sorry Red juggling a few things irl now as well.

I am here now

Then claim