Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 13 - Ethics of Appealing to Emotion

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PunishedBen posted...

Okay interesting. So then what was the purpose of scum bussing Ctes to Red, because that gets rid of my idea.

Ctes was already scanned. Red was not

Personally tho I would not swap Red with someone that might be targeted by FD
Unless I am forgetting something and FD said he could repeatedly hand out pineapples to the same person in which case there is no avoiding FD for scum

TotallyNotMI posted...

Scum having a redirector on top of the OP roleblocker with our town claims feels like a fantasy

Unless Ctes' role is "Town Auto wins if you go 6 days only claiming Starburns and all these negative effects"

Also Ctes, none of us understand why Starburns is a "Bookie" and all of the rest of the roles in the game have solid flavor explanations. Surely you can provide what's there

why haven't you simply done better at making 'bets'

why are you losing every single bet lmao

PunishedBen posted...

Also Ctes, none of us understand why Starburns is a "Bookie" and all of the rest of the roles in the game have solid flavor explanations. Surely you can provide what's there

Does it matter?

I already said it doesn't really make a clear connection. It gives a brief summary of character then explains what I can do. I take it they just wanted the role in finding it fun and then didn't have an obvious choice to be it. It's like that sometimes.

changmas posted...

why haven't you simply done better at making 'bets'

why are you losing every single bet lmao

Lmao

Is there even any outcome that can even prove you can do something beyond losing your vote?

i would simply not lose my bets

htaeD posted...

Is there even any outcome that can even prove you can do something beyond losing your vote?

Yes

changmas posted...

i would simply not lose my bets

If only I had thought of that

The fact that he won't even say what he's betting on is confusing me. Or is it just a coin flip and he's lost 4x in a row.

1/16 would be unusual but not impossible

Give the full list of negative effects you can choose from now or die lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

I know the target.

Ulti, you're not lying, right? Every other claimed role has confirmed that they only receive "action successful". You are 100% certain that your received PMs explicitly said something like "Death is town" or "Ctes is town" and not "Your action was successful. You received a result of TOWN."

I'll give you ten minutes or my vote is locked

I have been considered voting Ben for a couple of hours. This isn't changing that lol.

By the way, tomorrow (Sunday) is mothers day and my birthday so I'm going to be out all day going to my family's house after church, then out to an escape room. From early morning till late at night. So I have incentive to want to end the day today. If we don't that's fine, I'll just need to come to a descion tonight regardless

ctesjbuvf posted...

I have been considered voting Ben for a couple of hours. This isn't changing that lol.

Why?

See Ben is usually super impressive at looking at interactions and clearing people like that. In games I have been scum I have found town Ben super difficult to play against because he is very good at that.

Right now he is openly throwing out that he town cleared me based on Wallz interactions because of my role and me not wanting to state anything about it.

This is someone that very often lies and keeps secrets as town. If town, even in this game!

I don't like it.

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti, you're not lying, right? Every other claimed role has confirmed that they only receive "action successful". You are 100% certain that your received PMs explicitly said something like "Death is town" or "Ctes is town" and not "Your action was successful. You received a result of TOWN."

I mean by its very nature Cops should be told more than 'you were succesful'

And cops generally do get a name.

Is there a downside to listing your negative effects?

Ulti getting a name is not something i find unusual.

htaeD posted...

And cops generally do get a name.

That is my assumption as well

ctesjbuvf posted...

See Ben is usually super impressive at looking at interactions and clearing people like that. In games I have been scum I have found town Ben super difficult to play against because he is very good at that.

Right now he is openly throwing out that he town cleared me based on Wallz interactions because of my role and me not wanting to state anything about it.

This is someone that very often lies and keeps secrets as town. If town, even in this game!

I don't like it.

Your clear is not as strong as the 6 people above you is the problem, and I'm feeling like I'm wrong somewhere, particularly in the power claims

Anyway, it hasn't been answered.

What exactly is the bet?

Effects be damned the way you phrased it made it seem like a 50/50 but i dont understand being coy about this part.

I am not surprised by this flavor/role meta vote from FD even if it's a bit frustrating, much less so from Ben.

There is something mechanically wrong with the bus driver theory.

It is not a role that functions with taunter.

htaeD posted...

I mean by its very nature Cops should be told more than 'you were succesful'

And cops generally do get a name.

It's not that. I just know Ulti has lied about his PMs in the past for whatever nonsense reasons and want to make absolutely sure he's not bluffing here for whatever reason.

Believe me, I was host during his most notorious moments of doing that

PunishedBen posted...

Is there a downside to listing your negative effects?

I would say yes. Plus, I don't see what you would need them for.

But you were warming up to voting me before you asked for that.

I'm also struggling to believe why Ulti hasn't been shot dead by redirecting Blade if there's some redirection tomfoolery going on here with FD's cannisters of love.

This game just gets more confusing. There's gotta be something we're overlooking here.

Ctes, how game-changing are these positive effects? Like, more powerful than any other claimed role thus far?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I would say yes. Plus, I don't see what you would need them for.

But you were warming up to voting me before you asked for that.

Then fine, I'll let it be. I didn't understand why you wouldn't list the negatives and wanted you to commit to something. At least you've committed to the fact that I'll have to understand later why you didn't want to do it

I feel like a broken record here but yes the easiest explanation is there isn't a redirection at all

TotallyNotMI posted...

I feel like a broken record here but yes the easiest explanation is there isn't a redirection at all

So you think that ctes and Red are just putting in a show?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So you think that ctes and Red are just putting in a show?

Yes. It makes a lot more sense than a secret redirect power we haven't seen yet.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I feel like a broken record here but yes the easiest explanation is there isn't a redirection at all

So what do we hope to achieve today as a scumpair exactly?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I would say yes. Plus, I don't see what you would need them for.

But you were warming up to voting me before you asked for that.

If you get to pick which negative might occur then why not reveal all of them? It sounds like it's up to you anyways.

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Kirby321 posted...

I'm also struggling to believe why Ulti hasn't been shot dead by redirecting Blade if there's some redirection tomfoolery going on here with FD's cannisters of love.

This is the first one that hasn't gone to the right person. I still think this is some kind of deflection inherent to ctes, but if not it's probably some kind of limited use thing.

Yes totally scum theater holy fuck MI I hope you actually are scum.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So what do we hope to achieve today as a scumpair exactly?

I mean a majority of the posts are only about trying to figure out the redirect. Pressure on you for not claiming has gotten lessened and any pressure on Red is effectively gone

The redirect was part of the pressure on me.

One could argue that FD himself could be putting up lies.
But I like him more than Red at least.

htaeD posted...

One could argue that FD himself could be putting up lies.
But I like him more than Red at least.

I already explained why FD can't be anything more than Pierce Hawthorne... I feel like no one is agreeing and we all should be lol

PunishedBen posted...

I already explained why FD can't be anything more than Pierce Hawthorne... I feel like no one is agreeing and we all should be lol

Theres an evil variant of that and i am curious what you are using to dispel that notion out of hand.

A lot of you keep asking me questions about this and that and how good is this and why can't you say this.

It's all kind of linked together so the less I say the less chance scum figures the things I don't want them to.

Leafeon13N posted...

Theres an evil variant of that and i am curious what you are using to dispel that notion out of hand.

Because FD forgot that the evil variant exists. And that mistake was genuine. I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons. How can he forget when he's evil pierce himself?

The issue is that you are holding setup meta hostage.

PunishedBen posted...

Because FD forgot that the evil variant exists. And that mistake was genuine. I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons. How can he forget when he's evil pierce himself?

How are we pulling that its genuine?

ctesjbuvf posted...

A lot of you keep asking me questions about this and that and how good is this and why can't you say this.

It's all kind of linked together so the less I say the less chance scum figures the things I don't want them to.

I don't understand why your role is so powerful that we need to keep you alive arbitrarily.

What's stopping this from being entirely an lie? You're not understanding that this role is so convenient for you to claim to avoid getting lynched that the only reason we should keep you alive is whether or not this role benefits town.

Because clearly, it hasn't been beneficial at all the past four nights in a row.

Leafeon13N posted...

Theres an evil variant of that and i am curious what you are using to dispel that notion out of hand.

The evil variant (a) only existed for like a scene and didn't leave enough of an impact for those of us who actually watched the show to remember it existed and (b) never gave anyone canisters of frozen sperm. That is an exclusively regular Pierce thing.

why are you so sure that keeping all of this hidden is going to make finding scum and solving the game easier than putting it out into the open and letting everyone attempt to solve together today?