Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 13 - Ethics of Appealing to Emotion

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Leafeon13N posted...

How are we pulling that its genuine?

He's not just gonna state in game that evil pierce doesn't exist when there's many people in the game that know he does (like me, Chang and MI) or can Google it. And yes I forgot too, but that's not something that can be banked on and he was easily proven wrong with a Google

If ctes won't put forth an alternative then I'm sticking with my explanation. He's evil Troy and he has to lose his vote to scan innocent

And the opening post says setup meta is allowed but not recommended anyway.

Believe me this role is convoluted enough that we would probably have wildly different ideas of how balanced things look.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Believe me

I don't

I think the simple answer to taunter is that its a targeted self bus.

I dont know that it is the right answer.

changmas posted...

why are you so sure that keeping all of this hidden is going to make finding scum and solving the game easier than putting it out into the open and letting everyone attempt to solve together today?

Because nothing in this role gives anything we can use to solve and full claiming almost makes the role pointless to ever use.

Ctes you wont even answer the hamble percentage?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I don't

No you have decided that flavor metaing was so successful with Mr. T that you decided to ignore the host message that it is a bad idea.

pointless to use seems better than it's worked out for you thus far

ctesjbuvf posted...

No you have decided that flavor metaing was so successful with Mr. T that you decided to ignore the host message that it is a bad idea.

Is a game where EVERY flavor we've seen flip so far has been pitch perfect including my own? Yes

Taunted and Busdriver are both redirection so its hard to say how it should be ruled or if Lea would bother to put both roles in a setting.

FD has skated by town and scum in all his recent games pointlessly talking flavor and posting spreadsheets. People have eaten it up.

changmas posted...

pointless to use seems better than it's worked out for you thus far

I have some faith that people will stop hungering for this information for whatever reason and try to go back to where we were.

Also I shouldn't have said pointless I should have said bad.

I do agree tho that flavor may not be pitch perfect for every character
Especially for scum that may want to claim their own power.

htaeD posted...

Taunted and Busdriver are both redirection so its hard to say how it should be ruled or if Lea would bother to put both roles in a setting.

A simple redirect is easy. One is designated as the switch.

But an even split 2 way bus, it doesn't function.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I have some faith that people will stop hungering for this information for whatever reason and try to go back to where we were.

Also I shouldn't have said pointless I should have said bad.

Back to where is...what?

changmas posted...

pointless to use seems better than it's worked out for you thus far

If I wasn't already convinced you were town I would be loving this.

Ctes..... if you can answer this, would you be a good person for me to neighbor ?

Usually when its x directed to y, the action is taken upon x. So if you taunt here, x is changed to the taunter.

Still a weird loop but it resolves similar to how double roleblocks work.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Is a game where EVERY flavor we've seen flip so far has been pitch perfect including my own? Yes

Okay say you really wanted your game to include town bookie, do you have a good character for that? If not, what do you then do, scratch the idea completely or find something that's close enough?

You are blatantly doing what the hosts tell you in the opening post not to and if you're town I seriously hope this is the final lesson.

What pointless things are we talking about now and should I bother reading them y/n

Leafeon13N posted...

FD has skated by town and scum in all his recent games pointlessly talking flavor and posting spreadsheets. People have eaten it up.

Why are you jelly lol

htaeD posted...

Back to where is...what?

Waiting for ctes to show up.

Hey guys, where is ctes? I sure wish he would show up and claim for us.

PunishedBen posted...

Why are you jelly lol

Oh fuck yeah his contributions have been worthless as town and he gets no heat.

Making every town charcater fit perfectly with flavor is probably not good game design actually.

So you say Taunter and bus drive don't fit together.

But do Wallz role and Ctes' "I'm seen visiting the night tonight" even interact? Who goes first?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Making every town charcater fit perfectly with flavor is probably not good game design actually.

It is okay but it cant always be like that.

on a scale of 0-100 how much would you attribute the poor outcomes thus far due to poor choices on your part (0) vs pure luck (100)

ctesjbuvf posted...

Okay say you really wanted your game to include town bookie, do you have a good character for that? If not, what do you then do, scratch the idea completely or find something that's close enough?

You are blatantly doing what the hosts tell you in the opening post not to and if you're town I seriously hope this is the final lesson.

I'm convinced there is an episode or a character that could fit a bookie, they had so many bizarrely themed episode. I bet if I think on it I could think of at least a couple that fit better than Starburns.

Also there's the fact that we have no evidence of any good effects happening and you won't even clarify the mechanics of the bet.

You're giving us shit and telling us to just look the other way.

PunishedBen posted...

So you say Taunter and bus drive don't fit together.

But do Wallz role and Ctes' "I'm seen visiting the night tonight" even interact? Who goes first?

I dont think order matters here

PunishedBen posted...

So you say Taunter and bus drive don't fit together.

But do Wallz role and Ctes' "I'm seen visiting the night tonight" even interact? Who goes first?

Sbell was a watcher, so its not like he only needs to see one person make a kill.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I have some faith that people will stop hungering for this information for whatever reason and try to go back to where we were.

Also I shouldn't have said pointless I should have said bad.

Where were we? Any thoughts on the swap/bus/redirect?

Like if you watch someone that performs rb+kill on someone, you only see that person on the target once.

PunishedBen posted...

Ctes..... if you can answer this, would you be a good person for me to neighbor ?

I was seriously hoping you would have done that last night actually. I felt pretty strong about you being town yesterday and I thought you would really enjoy discussing the possibilities of this role and I would love second opinions. I have been more worried you're scum today which makes it less ideal to share with you if true but yeah. Overall, I would say yes definitely, I'm surprised you didn't to try to get things out me n4.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Making every town charcater fit perfectly with flavor is probably not good game design actually.

There's a different between roles that don't match exactly and roles that are not even fucking close.

If you don't like that you can take it up with Maria, Lady of the Astral Clocktower, Vanilla

changmas posted...

on a scale of 0-100 how much would you attribute the poor outcomes thus far due to poor choices on your part (0) vs pure luck (100)

Hmm, definitely closer to luck than my skill. 80 at least.

Oh yeah Ben
Another possible townpower that could get caught in the bus if scum did try swap red with Ctes.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Because nothing in this role gives anything we can use to solve and full claiming almost makes the role pointless to ever use.

So you become a Vanilla, basically. Boo hoo. We have bigger problems to solve here.

##Unvote
##Vote: Ctes

ctesjbuvf posted...

Okay say you really wanted your game to include town bookie, do you have a good character for that? If not, what do you then do, scratch the idea completely or find something that's close enough?

You are blatantly doing what the hosts tell you in the opening post not to and if you're town I seriously hope this is the final lesson.

Britta. Because all you do is britta things up

ctesjbuvf posted...

Hmm, definitely closer to luck than my skill. 80 at least.

So there is RNG involved after all?

PunishedBen posted...

Where were we? Any thoughts on the swap/bus/redirect?

Whenever it wasn't all about my role.

I think it makes it clear Ulti must be town after all, it is clearly made in an attempt to mess with his scan, regardless of red's alignment. They were probably very sure he would scan red and weren't as sure of a target previously. That's my best take.

htaeD posted...

Oh yeah Ben
Another possible townpower that could get caught in the bus if scum did try swap red with Ctes.

Ben's role is immune based on action orders as far as I can tell.

1. Any necessary and hopefully unlikely host intervention
2. Strongman/poison
3. Any ability for which it is convenient to act early such as recruiter, neighborizer messenger or backup.
4. Roleblocking
5. Any form for redirection
6. Role stealing
7. Any form for kidnapping or commuting
8. Anything that does not fall into the other categories
9. Regular killing abilities

Was I the only one who read this thing?

Ben's action should be more like a day action than a night one. The invite shows up at the beginning of the night, not at the end

Kirby321 posted...

So you become a Vanilla, basically. Boo hoo. We have bigger problems to solve here.

Then look at the bigger problems

ctesjbuvf posted...

Whenever it wasn't all about my role.

I think it makes it clear Ulti must be town after all, it is clearly made in an attempt to mess with his scan, regardless of red's alignment. They were probably very sure he would scan red and weren't as sure of a target previously. That's my best take.

This is my inclination.

But they also could have been trying to predict a rb or taunt. But those are complicated theories that I'm not even sure are valid.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I was seriously hoping you would have done that last night actually. I felt pretty strong about you being town yesterday and I thought you would really enjoy discussing the possibilities of this role and I would love second opinions. I have been more worried you're scum today which makes it less ideal to share with you if true but yeah. Overall, I would say yes definitely, I'm surprised you didn't to try to get things out me n4.

I had no idea what you could be, and since I don't get people's results the night they submit them (because the chat ends when night actions resolve), the odds of anyone being a better choice than Kirby was extremely low. With Kirby I get to see who he role blocked since he wouldn't get a result back after the chat ends. I also expected him to die last night but alas >_>

changmas posted...

Ben's action should be more like a day action than a night one. The invite shows up at the beginning of the night, not at the end

Yes I have to submit it during the day or I won't get to neighbor anyone

Yeah I understand the reasoning.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I was seriously hoping you would have done that last night actually. I felt pretty strong about you being town yesterday and I thought you would really enjoy discussing the possibilities of this role and I would love second opinions. I have been more worried you're scum today which makes it less ideal to share with you if true but yeah. Overall, I would say yes definitely, I'm surprised you didn't to try to get things out me n4.

Tbh if you are town and I am scum I do want to pick you though

Ctes, if you're third-party, just tell us. Waiting for a B8 town to stop talking about your role is a lost cause, and you know it. You're wasting our time, and at this point, it seeming like an intentional scum thing to do.