Current Events > Florida raises the age requirement to be a stripper to 21

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ClayGuida posted...

So do we do the inverse for the elderly? Do we limit drinking at 60 because after 60 it causes more harm to your body than when you're 30?

Stupid shit like this is always amusing to me. "Think of the health risks for the youth" Ok, what about the elderly? Do we tell them to stop smoking once they turn 65?

This is a commentary on the 25 year old idea, not necessarily what you're proposing.

I see your point.
Incidentally, I've thought the same ways about loot boxes being ragged on and banned on the basis of it being kid gambling. They should be shunned and banned because they're shit, not because little Timmy couldn't stop saying "just one more crate."

Now they're gonna have 3 kids before they come to the stage

A travesty.

Murphiroth posted...

...didn't you pretend not to understand the term Christofacism earlier in the topic and now you're trying to tell me I don't understand why it's rising to being with? Do enlighten me, this should be rich.

You said Christianity or Christofacism is rising. I want to know the factors in which why it is rising when Asherlee scoffed at me saying that the amount of people identifying as Christian in the US at a low. You guys say it's going up to refute my point that it's not at an absolute low. I want to know why it's climbing. Am I speaking a different language here?

Murphiroth posted...

Nah you don't get do the cowardly chud "just PM me bro!" thing, lmao. Talk about it here or nowhere.

So if you were in my position, what would you do?

I personally would be delighted to, but I've been modded for giving my views, even explaining what X and Y controversies are. Hell, discussing how much influence Israel had on the US government before this ongoing Israel/Hamas war was moddable. I bring up Epstein because if I were to mention that there's a billionaire who has major politicians and celebrities compromised by entertaining them with sixteen year old sex slaves on an island in the Caribbean, and this was reported nowhere, I'd get modded (and I knew about this from long ago). It's no longer faux pas to talk about it now that the story is out and in mainstream.

This is the reason why you see so many discrepancies with a controversial topic with commenters basically in agreement but the poll telling a different story (i.e. not being lopsided).

Euripides posted...

Christo-Fascism is on the rise BECAUSE church attendance/self-identification as Christians is going down. It's the Christian elites' last gasp effort to keep the religion in power.

If that's the case then I don't understand what Christo-Fascism was. I thought you guys meant vocal Christians pushing their ideals on you.

Asherlee10 posted...

Just because the Catholic church arrived at the same conclusion as science, doesn't mean it's a Christian law especially when incest marriage (as you put it) is throughout the Bible.

And what point are you even trying to make here? 99% of the time when a law is Christian based in the US it is christo-fascist and there isn't anything you can post to dispute that.

The point I am trying to make is that, assuming you were raised in the US or some Western country, the way you think, the ideals you have, were owed to Christianity, specifically the template the Catholic church constructed. I posted a couple links, read them! I even mentioned something as simple as being trusting strangers, being considerate of others not your kin is owed to that template. So when you dismiss and scoff at Christianity, you're doing so on a foundation where you've already immensely benefited from it.

*It's fine to criticize though, that's how you improve things. Dismissing doesn't give credit where credit's due.

I'm repeating myself here. You're not understanding and even saying ridiculous lines like "just because the church arrived the same conclusion as science..." like this means anything when I can point to things the Church and science are in agreement on and yet today's culture is in disagreement with.

By all means beat a dead horse guys.

Sad_Face posted...

You said Christianity or Christofacism is rising. I want to know the factors in which why it is rising when Asherlee scoffed at me saying that the amount of people identifying as Christian in the US at a low.

Because they're in their death throes and want to take the rest of us with them instead of fading into the shitbin of history where they belong.

This is not complicated.

Sad_Face posted...

You said Christianity or Christofacism is rising.

I said Christofacism is rising, not Christianity. Remarkably telling that you see the two as the same thing.

And lmao at all your Pizzagater deflecting.

Unironically stating "I've been modded for my views". Insert "which ones?" image here.

Murphiroth posted...

I said Christofacism is rising, not Christianity. Remarkably telling that you see the two as the same thing.

I'm trying to have a discussion and understand you, but you guys keep being so militant difficult. I already highlighted times where you guys misunderstood my post.

Sad_Face posted...

I'm trying to have a discussion and understand you, but you guys keep being so militant difficult. I already highlighted times where you guys misunderstood my post.

How was that post in any way militant? I don't think you understand what that word means.

Murphiroth posted...

How was that post in any way militant? I don't think you understand what that word means.

It hurt his feelings.

I cant say I dont agree with this

And there are very few things I agree with desantis on

ScionTC_07 posted...

I cant say I dont agree with this

And there are very few things I agree with desantis on

That's a name I haven't seen in awhile. I thought they canned you. I wonder if your sig is even still allowed under the new rules lol.

if they wanted leonardo dicaprio to stop visiting the clubs, they could've tried asking him first..

> enlist in army at 17
> deploy, kill people, see some shit
> get out of army after 3 years
> sorry you're too immature to strip or drink or smoke

It does make sense after all they do sell alcohols. 18 years old kids just come out of school and are probably not enough mature.

Sun_Xiao posted...

It does make sense after all they do sell alcohols.

Oh, so Republicans don't want 18-year olds working in establishments where alcohol is served? Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. Oh, wait...

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/08/08/states-seek-to-let-teens-as-young-as-14-serve-booze-in-restaurants/

Since 2021, seven states have enacted laws lowering the age to serve alcohol.
In 2021, New Mexico and Ohio lowered the age to serve alcohol from 19 to 18, and West Virginia lowered the age from 18 to 16. Last year, Kentucky lowered the age to serve alcohol from 20 to 18; Alabama lowered the age from 19 to 18; and Michigan lowered the age from 18 to 17.

The most recent state to pass a law easing the restrictions for teens to handle alcohol is Iowa, where 16-year-olds are now allowed to serve and sell alcohol. Iowas state Legislature lobbying records show that the Iowa Restaurant Association, the state affiliation of the NRA, was in favor of the bill.

Oops.

Alcohol should be 18. America's system here is weird.

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Yes, there was an epidemic of drunk driving accidents in the 70s from 18 year olds and raising the age to 21 dramatically reduced the frequency of those accidents/fatalities from said accidents. A lot of teenagers start drinking way before 18 anyways, however as someone who actually didn't start until 21 because I was pretty straight edge until then I see how 3 extra years of driving experience can help with those who do choose to eventually drive under the influence.

Im not seeing a problem.

LonelyStoner posted...

Im not seeing a problem.

Making it harder for people of lower income to help pay for college, risk of more trafficking now, restricting the freedoms of adults to make their own choices. Like this is pretty simple with just a little thought.

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Which is mostly a cultural thing, because plenty of other countries have drinking ages of younger than 21 with no problems. There is just something deeply fucked and poisonous in our Society.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Which is mostly a cultural thing, because plenty of other countries have drinking ages of younger than 21 with no problems. There is just something deeply fucked and poisonous in our Society.

The latter half is correct, but also those countries tend to have great public transport infrastructure. Germany is infamous for it's public transport system and as a result fewer people have cars and just take public transport when they go out drinking.

The U.S., in contrast, was designed with a spread out system which encourages individual vehicle ownership, leading to poor decision processes such as people not wanting to take a cab home and a cab back to the bar the next day to pick up their car, so they feel the risk is acceptable. That situation has been helped with the advent of Uber & Lyft so it's definitely better now than it was before those companies existed.

GiftedACIII posted...

Making it harder for lower income women to help pay for college, risk of more trafficking now, restricting the freedoms of adults. Like this is pretty simple with just a little thought.

Im not sure how this leads to an increase in trafficking, but Im
not very versed on that subject.

I also dont think young women should turn to stripping to pay for college, but thats another can of worms involving the price of college and how it shouldnt be anywhere near as costly as it is.

Kradek posted...

The latter half is correct, but also those countries tend to have great public transport infrastructure. Germany is infamous for it's public transport system and as a result fewer people have cars and just take public transport when they go out drinking.

The U.S., in contrast, was designed with a spread out system which encourages individual vehicle ownership, leading to poor decision processes such as people not wanting to take a cab home and a cab back to the bar the next day to pick up their car, so they feel the risk is acceptable. That situation has been helped with the advent of Uber & Lyft so it's definitely better now than it was before those companies existed.

Oh for sure. I've been to several large European cities and been able to get around without ever touching a car. The idea of even trying to drive in London stresses me out. But even in places like Scotland where those things don't exist outside of the major cities the the penalties are much harsher than the US and it's simply not as much of a problem there.

Per the Scottish Government's website:
Drink driving is a criminal offence with serious penalties: you'll get a minimum 12-month driving ban. you could go to prison for up to 6 months or get a fine of up to 5000 - or both. the offence stays on your licence for 11 years.
It also says you could lose your vehicle. Not sure what that means, like can the Gov seize your vehicle permanently?

LonelyStoner posted...

Im not seeing a problem.

Should all jobs be 21 and up? Or just ones you don't like.

LonelyStoner posted...

Im not sure how this leads to an increase in trafficking, but Im
not very versed on that subject.

I also dont think young women should turn to stripping to pay for college, but thats another can of worms involving the price of college and how it shouldnt be anywhere near as costly as it is.

Same reason why restricting abortion just leads to more deaths:
DarkChozoGhost posted...

Yup. And note that this leaves 0% left for protecting women from reckless choices, because that's not factored in. Stripping is actually the safest type of sex work, the hardest to get started with, has the least pressure to "go further" and risk harming oneself, and leaves the least "records" that could come back to haunt you. So it's actually making the world more dangerous for these young women.

Also, you can personally disapprove of that but that's not for you to decide, it's for the women themselves.

ClayGuida posted...

Should all jobs be 21 and up? Or just ones you don't like.

I dont have a problem with strip clubs. Ive been a few times in my 20s.

LonelyStoner posted...

I dont have a problem with strip clubs. Ive been a few times in my 20s.

Truly doesn't answer the question.

GiftedACIII posted...

Same reason why restricting abortion just leads to more deaths:

Also, you can personally disapprove of that but that's not for you to decide, it's for the women themselves.

Hm. I see what youre getting at now. Thanks to you too @DarkChozoGhost

ClayGuida posted...

Truly doesn't answer the question.

Does No, I dont think all jobs should be limited to 21 year olds and older. answer your question?

LonelyStoner posted...

Does No, I dont think all jobs should be limited to 21 year olds and older. answer your question?

So what jobs should be 21 and what jobs shouldn't?

ClayGuida posted...

So what jobs should be 21 and what jobs shouldn't?

That wasnt the question. I already answered your last one. Someone else gave a list of cons for why this new age restriction could cause more problems than good and I responded to them above.

But off the top of my head:
President of the US and many other political positions

LonelyStoner posted...

Hm. I see what youre getting at now. Thanks to you too @DarkChozoGhost

I appreciate you being open-minded about it. And of course I strongly believe there should be more protections and rights for the workers and more regulations for the institutions to reduce exploitation. Unfortunately, that's the furthest thing people like DeSantis care about when they'd rather strip worker protections (no pun intended). It's something blue states should strive more for though I'd wager they're already doing much better on that front.

GiftedACIII posted...

I appreciate you being open-minded about it. And of course I strongly believe there should be more protections and rights for the workers and more regulations for the institutions to reduce exploitation. Unfortunately, that's the furthest thing people like DeSantis care about when they'd rather strip worker protections (no pun intended). It's something blue states should strive more for though I'd wager they're already doing much better on that front.

No problem man. I try to be a lifelong student. DeSantis name being attached to any new bill or law makes my eyes squint. And like you said, regulations, rights, and protections for these workers should for sure be paramount in places that often attract sleazeballs who dont see them as actual people with feelings and boundaries.

LonelyStoner posted...

That wasnt the question. I already answered your last one. Someone else gave a list of cons for why this new age restriction could cause more problems than good and I responded to them above.

But off the top of my head:
President of the US and many other political positions

Can't be POTUS at 21.

I'm asking specifically, what jobs do you think should be at 21. You've stated stripping, then what?

Or are you just all for arbitrary rules for whatever reason.

ClayGuida posted...

Can't be POTUS at 21.

I'm asking specifically, what jobs do you think should be at 21. You've stated stripping, then what?

Or are you just all for arbitrary rules for whatever reason.

Have you even read through my recent responses that werent directed towards you.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Oh for sure. I've been to several large European cities and been able to get around without ever touching a car. The idea of even trying to drive in London stresses me out. But even in places like Scotland where those things don't exist outside of the major cities the the penalties are much harsher than the US and it's simply not as much of a problem there.

Per the Scottish Government's website:
Drink driving is a criminal offence with serious penalties: you'll get a minimum 12-month driving ban. you could go to prison for up to 6 months or get a fine of up to 5000 - or both. the offence stays on your licence for 11 years.
It also says you could lose your vehicle. Not sure what that means, like can the Gov seize your vehicle permanently?

That's cool, didn't know that about Scotland. Also, yeah, that's a good question. I seem to recall we have a resident Scottsman, pinky with a bunch of numbers afterwards, I believe.

LonelyStoner posted...

Have you even read through my recent responses that werent directed towards you.

No, because I don't care to. First and only post I saw was you basically agreeing. So I asked why we are arbitrarily throwing around a random age. 21, 22, 25, why?

As others have stated, you can do porn at 18, you can get blown up by an IED overseas, you can cut your arm off in a slaughterhouse, yet you can't strip. It's pretty asinine.

ClayGuida posted...

No, because I don't care to.

Well Ive already covered it with others just a few posts before your last. If youre that interested theyre there. I also didnt bring up the ages of 22 or 25.

LonelyStoner posted...

Well Ive already covered it with others just a few posts before your last. If youre that interested theyre there. I also didnt bring up the ages of 22 or 25.

I'm bringing up arbitrary numbers. What's the difference between 21 and 20, not much. Simply choosing 21 is a number picked out of the air with no actual thought involved.

ClayGuida posted...

I'm bringing up arbitrary numbers. What's the difference between 21 and 20, not much. Simply choosing 21 is a number picked out of the air with no actual thought involved.

I didnt pick the number. DeSantis did. Just like I didnt pick the number for alcohol sales or smoking.

LonelyStoner posted...

I didnt pick the number. DeSantis did. Just like I didnt pick the number for alcohol sales or smoking.

And you agreed with it, so if he said 25, you'd agree? If he said 22 you'd agree?

ClayGuida posted...

And you agreed with it, so if he said 25, you'd agree? If he said 22 you'd agree?

Posts #179, #182, #186, and #187 between me and GiftedACIII have already covered exactly what youre trying to drag out. Read them or dont. Im not doing it for you.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

And yet you only have to be 18 to join the military

That is perfectly fine.

faizan_faizan posted...

That is perfectly fine.

Only gotta be 14 to work in a slaughterhouse.

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Lol. I don't defend Fandoms policies, not sure where you got that.

I also didn't defend Sony. I said that being upset about an account requirement is a battle long since lost since plenty of other publishers have those and have for years. It's great that Sony buckled on Helldivers 2 but lets not kid ourselves, that happened only because of Steam starting to hand out refunds which is what I said it would take for Sony to back off and the only reason Steam did that was because of some mistakes Sony made with advertising the account requirement. Future Sony games won't make those mistakes.

Finally supporting Desantis? Get the fuck out of here with that. Just because I find it really hard to get upset about this doesn't mean I support his policies. Suggesting I'm going to become a hardcore conservative is offensive and a straight up clown take.