Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 19 - We Could Be Roped Up, Tied Up, Dead in a Year

(+) Yeah! (+)

Actually I'll do you one better.

Kirby can block who he wants, because if I get confirmed town status my vote is going on Ulti. He openly called Chang scum multiple times early in the day, then like 30 minutes later he's suddenly calling him town when he realizes Ctes actually has a shot to fire.

i mean here's a stupid question. does ctes vig shot bypass godfather

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And ctes supposedly has a way to prove you aren't beyond a doubt.

Ctes is welcome to shoot me.

I'll be voting Ulti after he does.

Look at how drastically Ulti's behavior changed once it became clear Ctes could shoot. It's unnatural.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im glad Im not the only one noticing the weirdness here.

Oh you're very much not the only one.

changmas posted...

i mean here's a stupid question. does ctes vig shot bypass godfather

Yes

Why would godfather have anything to do with a vig shot

hey remember a couple games ago i got lynched for being 'godfather bulletproof' wasn't that neat

should we add lynched for being 'godfather lawyer' to the list

UltimaterializerX posted...

lmao

The entire logic yesterday is I was Lopen. There is no way youre this bad at mafia.

Says the guy who suddenly changed his read and is doing everything in his power to justify confirming the obvious nightkill.

Meow1000 posted...

Why would godfather have anything to do with a vig shot

imagine if you actually read the game instead of just responding to every post with another made up scenario

UltimaterializerX posted...

You could just ask ctes to confirm you.

See this is the thing. Every statement you've made since Ctes revealed a shot is to call everyone but me town.

You're not directly calling me scum, you're just forcing me into a POE of one.

It's interesting how you seem to have completely dropped your line of "there MUST be a third party".

there's basically 3 candidates for 3p

Blade
FD
Ctes

and ctes is about to resolve himself

I mean the fact that we flipped a 4th party means there probably is.

Unless Lopen was the 3p, but IGCD wasn't nice enough to tell us before he started violently raging.

How in god's name can I be 3P

Like I get claiming Lopen's role can theoretically make me scum but like

How as 3P would I know Doctor was safe the claim

Lopen is a candidate too yeah. If anyone wants, you can probably to check if IGCD ever mentioned 3rd party stuff (maybe Wallz too, but he didn't live that long so else chance). If it seems like they were looking for it, low chance it was Lopen. I would not worry much though.

Meow1000 posted...

How as 3P would I know Doctor was safe the claim

There was the game where scum was informed town did not have a mason.

Any faction could be informed town does not have X should they want to impersonate it.

But honestly it's just ctes' life, if you're town you shouldn't be this reluctant to getting confirmed at the cost of him dying. I would welcome it, personally. I could finally stop freaking out about his bad flavor and I'd be unlynchable. Talk about a win/win.

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD as 3P would be boring, but maybe possible? Hes not playing like one though. Hed be targeting multiple different people.

FD why do you keep targeting Chang?

He was asked to.

The possibility of Lopen being 3P was brought up by someone yesterday, though I don't remember who did it.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

There was the game where scum was informed town did not have a mason.

Any faction could be informed town does not have X should they want to impersonate it.

But honestly it's just ctes' life, if you're town you shouldn't be this reluctant to getting confirmed at the cost of him dying. I would welcome it, personally. I could finally stop freaking out about his bad flavor and I'd be unlynchable. Talk about a win/win.

I don't care if Ctes shoots me at this point because it just gives me confirmed town status to lynch Ulti with.

I think Kirby brought it up first.

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD why do you keep targeting Chang?

I think it was day 5 that it was thrown out that I could be some kind of arsonist type role, so I said I would only target people I previously targeted and since then It's been Chang, Ben, Chang, Chang(RB'd).

Nights 1 and 2 had a purpose of letting people who understood flavor know what I was. Night 3 I targeted MZero to test if he was really taunter, but Ben had already told him about my role (jerk) so that iddn't work, and Night 4 I targeted ctes who was the only person who didn't full claim on day 4, but that was the night it got redirected to red.

But once I'd done all that there was no *point* to my night action, it was just something I was required to do each night, so it's no problem for me to just keep sending to the same person. If chang is really regular Jeff then I'm sure the flavor of Pierce would appreciate giving him the most love.

The issue with the scumcase on FD is for him to be scum has the "No Kill" problem.

He has to have lied about a bus drive occurring on night 4.

Since the only possible justification for night 5 other than a no kill is a bus drive, it locks scum FD into having no killed on night 5. Why does FD, who already has an established action, and is under no pressure at all, no kill night 5? Why doesn't FD send the kill night 6? It doesn't make sense. Trying to make IGCD look better doesn't matter if you're not making the steps to kill Ulti before he scans IGCD in the first place.

For FD to be scum requires play almost as bad as what would require me to be scum.

Honestly, this no kill thing. I can't think of any scenario where it makes sense.

Well I have to go grocery shopping and then I have a movie in a few hours. Hopefully we'll have a kirby sighting and a ctes shot by the time I get back

Kirby, I trust you enough that you will consider my thoughts if I die and you are not around before then (also those I gave when I believed I would kill myself the next night but you blocked me, right before we lynched Ben). We disagreed heavily about my role, but otherwise we have been on the same page I think. FD isn't lying about the block obviously. I'm sure you did it to confirm him if a kill happened, it's fine, nothing about most nights make sense to me anyway.

The whole thing with the "No Kills" is something I had brought up previously though. It would require a scumteam that even considers it.

I don't think a FD/IGCD/Wallz team NKs night 5, has IGCD get blocked night 6 over having FD send it,, and then tries to cold shoot Ulti night 7 (My save would be the only explanation for the lack of a kill). It seems asinine.

And for the record, I also never do this kind of play as scum, especially as a claimed doctor who has zero fear of being roleblocked (I can just claim I was saved). MZero never taunts me either, and I just nuke Kirby personally on night 4.

Like any scenario where I'm scum, Kirby is dead night 4, and it really should be obvious.

Of course the day 7 thing also applies to Chang. If Ctes isn't scum, then scum either NKed or tried to cold shoot Ulti on night 7.

I firmly believe this is good for the game either way, the 100% town confirmation would also be really great and I get removed as a mislynch option.

But I believe Blade is trying to get my shot away from him by saying he would do something he knows I would disagree heavily with, going after Ulti. Blade should know Ulti is town at this point, it doesn't make sense with how he caught Ben on a night like that, even with a role scan he couldn't know he was guilty specifically then, and then he also nailed IGCD. I don't think Blade completely switches opinion about Ulti based on something like suggesting this. Why would he think scum Ulti would confirm him town?

Also everyone has reason to me town to some extend, so kudos to whoever, but Blade was against a Knightz lynch (whom he later called obvious scum) and an IGCD lynch when they were dead to rights. Then he was after me for days until now. So he can say terrible scum game so many times, but I also think this would not have been the best town game. Night actions never make full sense to me no matter who I consider, but the other actions are confirmed to exist. Based on play, I just believe in this the most.

If I am wrong, so be it, I don't mind and you can trash talk me all you want. Ben said in neighbor chat with me he thought everyone left looked town, he was probably honest and I agree. Anyway, my plan in this case would be to never lynch Ulti or Kirby and you should still be golden as I see it. I would lynch chang, then FD if game isn't over. But either order works I suppose.

Also again, if I'm wrong, thanks for playing, frustrations happen, but it's been a pleasure.

##kill: Blade

STOP

Neon lights blazed and bells chimed inside the smoke filled windowless room of the Greendale Casino, where everyones a winner. It would never be able to compete with the Vegas Strip, to the chagrin of the Archchancellors vehement pro-strip outlook on life. But you can only jazz up a former Gamblers Anonymous so much. It was already a miracle that she had been able to cover up the dank despair of a low rent paying support group with the bright and shiny despair of a highly profitable room full of broken video lottery terminals. Some poor lost souls had foolishly criticized the Archchancellors actions as Monstrous, but it took hard decisions to support the crucial budget areas of a college, such as more branded mugs so she didnt have to wash her old ones. Gambling taught important lessons to students, such as probability math, calculating expected value, and gitting gud. One such student sat at a VLT, surrounded by his closest friends.

Aw, nuts, Ctes violently swore under his breath as he lost another round of slots.

Take it easy mate, no need for that type of language! said Ctes, taking a pull from his cigarette.

Hey, lay off him, hes had a hard day, said Ctes, taking a pull of Tuborg, the beer of Danish kings.

Yeah, this takes concentration, okay? replied Ctes bitterly as he pulled the lever for another slots spin. He promptly lost and was violently electrocuted in the jbuvfs, for his sins. Thats okay. Next time.

On the other side of the room, a spiky haired frat bro cackled and threw peanut shells at Ctes. Hey, want a pro-tip? Just place winning bets. If it was me, Id win.

Ctes did his best to ignore the heckler. Gambling is one of the finest things a person can do, if hes good at it. Ctes knew that sometimes you just needed to roll with the variance, and trust that in the long run your system would definitely bring you to the promised valhalla of three sevens. Everything could be calculated with perfect information, and he was so close. Cards can be counted, horses can be analyzed, and then he will win, bigly. Any second now, the TV on the wall was about to announce the Death Pool betting results.

Vanilla Isquen died?! Are you kidding me??? Ctes shouted as he tore up his betting slip, threw his hat on the ground and started stomping on it.

Buddy, seriously, watch the foul language, this casino is full of children, Ctes chided.

Youll get them next time Ctes, I have a theory about who the final mafia members might be, said Ctes.

Hey guys, I saw someone propose at the gym today but she said no, and I was like well that didnt work out, Ctes said helpfully.

Across the room, the bro was getting drunker and rowdier, and more and more of his frat were showing up. At what point is a group considered a mob? At what point is blood alcohol toxicity lethal? Why arent slot machines hand cranked by tiny operators you could bribe anymore? These philosophical quandaries werent what the group was debating, however. They were increasingly starting to believe that the weirdo talking to himself in front of the VLTs was the elusive mafia member they were looking for. If they won priority registration they could schedule all their competitive drinking courses for Wednesday mornings and party the rest of the week. They got up and began stumbling over towards Ctes.

Hey asshole, who the fuck are you trying to fool? You suck ass at gambling. You will never accomplish anything. Never play slots ever again after this game. YOU. ARE. WEAK, the bro screamed in his face.

Ctes ignored him. Sure, there were other careers that were more reliable. Stronger. Came with more power and were easier to do. But where would be the fun in that? Is it a sin to be wrong? Is it wrong to to be weak? Ctes knew the glory of a life lived rolling 1s or 20s and the pure dopamine of winning it big. Compared to that, who could care about the ravings of these axe smelling fellows. They probably just had difficulties going on in their personal lives.

Do you even fucking know what a bookie is, you incompetent liar?! demanded a bro. Do you realize that you are in fact the exact fucking opposite of what a bookie is supposed to do? All you ever do is gamble bro. And why would Ctesburns be a bookie anyway? Or a gambler? Canonically, I cant say that tracks.

I dont know, perhaps you should ask Sultan, Ctes replied mildly. The rules clearly state to be careful about that kind of witch hunting,

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING A WITCH WOULD SAY, BOYS. This guy thinks he can be weak, pathetic, convoluted, never gonna happen one in a million moonshot as his role in life? I dont think so. LETS WHOOP HIM. We did it all the time in the 30s!

Ctes slowly stood up, his leg asleep from weeks of ineffective gambling.

Fine then. It will be your funeral. For theres more of us than there are of you.

Ctes, Ctes, and Ctes stood behind Ctes, menacingly. Ctes also stood behind Ctes, but he was wasnt menacing he was just happy to be included. Ctes pulled out a butterfly knife and dramatically flipped it, only cutting himself a little.

The crowd of drug addled bros took a few minutes to count. Yup, theres only one of him and many of us. Is this fucking guy doing a Ringo impression because he is wakko.

Ctes hit the slots lever and charged at the group, breaking the nose of the original spiky haired bro with a quick headbutt. He pulled out a pack of playing cards and threw them at the crowd, hoping that he secretly had Gambit powers. The crowd attacked him unsteadily, attempting to smash him with bottles and misinterpret his messages. One after another, they fell. Always bet on Ctes. However, there was justsomany of them. Behind the brawl, the VLT jingle stopped playing on Ctess final bet.

CherryCherryMule.

Ctes has died. He was:

I fear that a political career will interfere with my drug dealing.

You are Starburns, TOWN Bookie.

You trim your sideburns into star shapes, but youre so much more than that as a person! Youre also a sketchy scumbag with your iron in many illicit fires and also sometimes you wear a hat. But unfortunately all anyone can ever see is the starburns, ironically too attention getting for the actor who really just wanted to be a writer on Community.

At night, you may attempt to predict a player who will die that night. If you are correct, you gain. If you are wrong, you lose.

You may gamble the following things:

Your reputation: Gain a one use prostitute scan, lose and scan guilty/appear to commit all night kills that night.

Your vote: Gain a temporary double vote, lose your vote the next day.

Your life: Gain a gambler day vig shot, lose your life in a meth lab explosion.

Your gambler day vig shot: Gain a random member of the scum team, lose your day vig shot to the scum team.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

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You may now post. Votals reset if there were any. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

##Vote: Ulti

Let's get rolling.

Ulti actually has a strong wincon now because Ctes wasted the shot on me and Ulti can just shoot me tonight. Excellent manipulation.

But not excellent enough.

Also, FD depicted me doing this no kill nonsense to be superior or whatever BS. That's not my game. That's Ulti's. Ulti's reads once again changed unnaturally on a dime to get his desired result.

(Also Ctes if you had a shot why did you let IGCD get away with a claim that shouldn't co-exist with yours.)

So yeah you wanted confirmed town Blade, you got confirmed town Blade.

You either get lynched today or roleblocked tonight. Nothing else is acceptable.

And yeah you guys can still lynch Chang if you want but my vote does not move. Ulti just manipulated the **** out of Ctes by forcing a scenario where only I could be scum without ever calling me scum.

I'm just covering my bases. Chang ends up getting lynched either way eventually.

Hm actually, my numbers are off. I didn't actually remove Ctes from the game during my calculations.

With 5 people alive, scum literally cannot win unless Kirby is scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh he claimed godfather lawyer yesterday. This is an easy one. But in the 1% chance you were scum, I didnt trust them to kill you without me here. That loop is (thank god) closed.

You suddenly called him town specifically to get me shot.

If THIS was your logic to begin with, it's way more trustworthy.

But your read changed.