Current Events > Not sure u guys realize how bad Israel is for Dems

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If someone doesn't want to support genocide, who can they vote for?

Trump has outright said he'll deport pro-Palestinian protesters if he wins.

They should stop pretending it can't get worse when Trump literally says it can and he will make it worse.

He never built the wall, he wont do this.

In two wide-ranging interviews with TIME Magazine published Tuesday, Trump expanded upon that vision for a second term, which would buck traditional conservative viewpoints about the role of government and expand the powers of the presidency that he would then wield against a wide range of groups in America.

campaign stump speeches, Trump has vowed to enact "the largest domestic deportation operation" in history and roll back virtually every Biden administration policy around the border. He continues to equate immigrants with crime, often mentioning murders and other grisly crimes committed by non-citizens as evidence that a crackdown is needed under his watch.In the TIME interview, Trump takes that rhetoric a step further, suggesting he would use the National Guard and the U.S. military to go after migrants, potentially in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that prevents federal troops from being used against civilians. When asked about that provision, he falsely said people in the country illegally "aren't civilians" and would not rule out constructing additional migrant detention camps.

The difference between biden and trump is that biden pretends he is against the genocide but actually supports it 100% while trump is vocally for the genocide and supports it 100%. Your other post about how trump said he would "set the movement back 25 or 30 years" what the fuck does that even mean? Ironically, Palestinians were doing better 25 or 30 years ago.

It means you cannot even call Palestine a state if he is elected and he will give Israel 100% go ahead to just wipe it all out, but after he ships off American citizens of Palestinian descent there.

He afterall said the citizens in Gaza all support terrorism, literally his own words. What does someone like him do to people he labels terrorists?
And you support people he calls terrorists what does he do to you?

1. Local elections make a difference.
2. I want to give democrats so huge of a majority to see what their excuses will be then. It's easy to flip a couple of senators, but if you have to flip so many, the game becomes too obvious even to the least perceptive.
3. Mail-in voting takes no effort anyway.

Saying "well trump will probably make it go faster" or "he'll include American citizens in there somehow" is just pure conjecture based on trump's bloated ass spewing hot air.

Literally the only credible threat a person can make to a politician in a democracy is to threaten not to vote for them. If you express that you don't like their handling of an issue, do you really think they give a shit about that if you pledge undying loyalty for them with a guaranteed vote? That's the most impotent kind of protest one can make to a politician. Saying "I don't want you to do this, but I guarantee my vote to you so you can continue doing it" is the ultimate lip service.

Literally campaign promises to wealthy donors.
It is not a probably.

If the issue you supposedly care about is made worse by your refusal to vote for someone you are protesting against, you need to rethink your action plan. You cant genuinely claim to care about an issue when you are directly or indirectly contributing to making the issue worse. That just makes them hypocrites.

You cant genuinely claim to care about an issue when you are directly or indirectly contributing to making the issue worse. That just makes them hypocrites.

Again, biden said there is a red line and unlike trump, biden isn't generally known as someone who is full of shit and lies all the time.

Again, "made worse" is a vague assumption you're making.

Please explain what part of Trump's actions and behavior in the past 7.5 years justifies you giving him the benefit of the doubt on literally anything.

Biden has two options:
Stop supporting *genocide* and gain votes
Keep supporting *genocide* and lose votes
Seems like an obvious choice, but instead he's going full steam ahead on *genocide* and I guess relying on people like you to pretend it's impossible to not support *genocide*. If someone doesn't want to support genocide, who can they vote for?

This is a gross oversimplification that fails to account for AIPAC spending and how it could affect the election.

So why are we allowing this foreign election interference?

1. It's not foreign.
2. You're advocating against voting for the guy who has been trying to change it for the last 10 years.

Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must finish the problem in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7.
Youve got to finish the problem, Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.
When asked on the program whether he supported a cease-fire in Gaza, Trump demurred.

Reached for comment by NBC News, the Trump campaign promoted the former presidents record on Israel and blamed Biden for the ongoing turmoil in the Middle East.
President Trump did more for Israel than any American President in history, and he took historic action in the Middle East that created unprecedented peace, Karoline Leavitt, Trumps national press secretary, said in a statement, adding, "When President Trump is back in the Oval Office, Israel will once again be protected, Iran will go back to being broke, terrorists will be hunted down, and the bloodshed will end.

1. It's not foreign.
2. You're advocating against voting for the guy who has been trying to change it for the last 10 years.

AIPAC is literally advocating for a foreign nation. The only reason they haven't had to register as a foreign agent is because of the typical special treatment that israel gets from the US. It was going to be forced to register as foreign decades ago, but that was dropped for whatever reason.

I didn't say people should vote against biden, I said that biden is losing votes through his actions. Also, what is biden, the top recipient of pro-israel money, doing about AIPAC? Please do tell.

1. Foreign policy is a legitimate thing to advocate for. In fact you're doing it right now you just don't have tens of millions of dollars to back it up.
2. They are not registered as a foreign agent because they're not foreign, straight up. They're headquartered in DC like every other major super pac. Their members are composed of American citizens and, unless you've got some interesting evidence to the contrary, all their money comes from American citizens making donations.
3. I didn't say you said people should vote against Biden. I said you were advocating people "not" vote for Biden. It is interesting however, that you seem to feel not voting for Biden is the same as voting against him.
4. AIPAC gets to do what it does because Citizens United decision prevents the US government from placing any meaningful restrictions on super pacs. Biden is appointing judges who want to see it overturned. Trump likes it the way it is because it benefits him.
5. Should Biden be successful in getting citizens united overturned, all the other pieces of the puzzle come together. AIPAC loses power which means less support for Israel, the MIC loses power which means less weapons for Israel, and most importantly, the plutocracy loses power which benefits everyone (that matters) across the whole world and not just Americans.

1. Foreign policy is a legitimate thing to advocate for. In fact you're doing it right now you just don't have tens of millions of dollars to back it up.
2. They are not registered as a foreign agent because they're not foreign, straight up. They're headquartered in DC like every other major super pac. Their members are composed of American citizens and, unless you've got some interesting evidence to the contrary, all their money comes from American citizens making donations.
3. I didn't say you said people should vote against Biden. I said you were advocating people "not" vote for Biden. It is interesting however, that you seem to feel not voting for Biden is the same as voting against him.
4. AIPAC gets to do what it does because Citizens United decision prevents the US government from placing any meaningful restrictions on super pacs. Biden is appointing judges who want to see it overturned. Trump likes it the way it is because it benefits him.
5. Should Biden be successful in getting citizens united overturned, all the other pieces of the puzzle come together. AIPAC loses power which means less support for Israel, the MIC loses power which means less weapons for Israel, and most importantly, the plutocracy loses power which benefits everyone (that matters) across the whole world and not just Americans.

1. Foreign policy is a legitimate thing to advocate for, which is why we have a reporting requirement.
2. All the big political groups are headquartered in DC because that's where the politicians are.
3. I didn't advocate for either, so you're wrong in any case. What's interesting is you think you're cracking some puzzle. Try reading my posts instead of making all these assumptions.
4. Has biden said anything about citizens united or are you just assuming the judges he appoints are for that reason?
5. Biden was receiving money from pro-israel groups long before citizens united.

Saying "well trump will probably make it go faster" or "he'll include American citizens in there somehow" is just pure conjecture based on trump's bloated ass spewing hot air.

Trump has outright said he'll deport pro-Palestinian protesters if he wins.

f***, do we get to choose the country and is it all expenses paid? Because if he wins, f*** this country.

Foreign policy is a legitimate thing to advocate for, which is why we have a reporting requirement.

All the big political groups are headquartered in DC because that's where the politicians are.

I didn't advocate for either, so you're wrong in any case. What's interesting is you think you're cracking some puzzle. Try reading my posts instead of making all these assumptions.

Show me the anti-genocide candidate. Don't give me vague bullshit about how it could somehow maybe get worse even though biden supports it to the max.

Biden has two options:
1. Stop supporting *genocide* and gain votes
2. Keep supporting *genocide* and lose votes
Seems like an obvious choice, but instead he's going full steam ahead on *genocide* and I guess relying on people like you to pretend it's impossible to not support *genocide*. If someone doesn't want to support genocide, who can they vote for?

Has biden said anything about citizens united or are you just assuming the judges he appoints are for that reason?

Biden was receiving money from pro-israel groups long before citizens united.

Biden is doing what literally any US President would do with Israel by giving them tons of support, and the Republicans are screaming about how pro-Hamas and antisemitic he is, while certain elements of the left say he is basically slaughtering Palestinian babies with his bare hands because he's the most psycho Zionist in US history.

Weird situation to say the least.

There are plenty of single issue voters. It's gross to try and police what people care about. I'd say as far as single issues go, being against *genocide* is pretty dang noble.

Is there a vocally pro-Palestine candidate that has even the slightest chance of getting elected?

Again, biden said there is a red line and unlike trump, biden isn't generally known as someone who is full of shit and lies all the time.

Again, "made worse" is a vague assumption you're making.

If he wins, FUCK Biden's Zionist positions. It will have costed him an easy fucking election.

oh and ofcourse yeah, Fuck the country too.

He's not the fascist GOP. Literally nothing else matters

I simply do not believe that the electorate will still care enough about Israel/Palestine in November to affect the election.

Yea, I'm not American but I feel that most Americans are either supportive of Israel or apathetic towards the whole thing.

If you haven't noticed, israel is already in the process of wiping out Palestine and has been for decades.

And you've been vocal about the president's response to this ever since you became old enough to vote I assume. Because if it only became an issue to you a few months ago, it would look like there might be an ulterior motive there.

Exactly, actions speak louder than words.

Anyone taking concrete action to help Trump is not helping Palestinians, no matter what they say.

If he wins, f*** Biden's Zionist positions. It will have costed him an easy f***ing election.

No one claims this. And arguing with logic like this hopefully works but I doubt it. Biden is the big red target of pro Palestine vitriol and so the whole pointing out Trump will be worse, while VERY true, I'm not sure if it will be enough to calm down people's hatred of Biden. Human beings are extremely present-centered beings so they are affected by what's happening now vs. a hypothetical future even if it's to their ultimate doom/detriment

tbh it's an echo chamber, though a large-ish one. biden is much better off ignoring it, and you're simply fucking nuts if you think he will turn on israel or stop supporting them. that's something you have to accept if you want him to be president.