Current Events > Not sure u guys realize how bad Israel is for Dems

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hockeybabe89 posted...

and also personally end genocides in places like China, Ukraine, Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, North Korea, Myanmar, etc?

That would cause massive wars.

People are simply asking America to stop directly supplying war criminals.

thronedfire2 posted...

and the only solution to that is voting for more young, progressive democrats.

And in order for that to happen, Democrats need to be a party that young progressive people are willing to be part of.

Which for a lot of them, means not fucking supporting a genocide.

Here's the thing. Republicans are fucked on this issue. They're always going to be fucked, nothing will change them, so it's a waste of time putting any effort besides discouraging support for them. Any half reasonable person already won't support them, so even that's of limited use.

Democrats, on the other hand, there's a chance. That's why it's actually worthwhile to call them out, to encourage pressure on them, etc. Even more so if third party is unrealistic, because that's the only way forward, so it first needs to become something that the people who'll take it forward are willing to be involved with.

Or, I guess, you can just sit back, whine "but Trump", and pretend the problems will just magically disappear if you get the current status quo Democrats back into office enough times in a row (assuming Palestine even still exists beyond the first term or two of this approach).

Smashingpmkns posted...

America is providing weapons that enable this genocide. On a global scale there really isn't anything more immediately important than an active genocide. Idk how this isn't clicking.

US has been doing it for years. How come it is only an issue now. I see posters talking about Biden being bad doing it, but I don't recall them ever making a peep earlier than last year. Almost like they have an agenda to pearl clutch over it now and not then.

Trumble posted...

And in order for that to happen, Democrats need to be a party that young progressive people are willing to be part of.

Which for a lot of them, means not fucking supporting a genocide.

or they could just vote for the party that isn't full of literal fascist, neo nazis

havean776 posted...

Oh that's cute Count blocked me because I dared stand up to his hero.
He must be having a bad day after hearing the verdict.

Yeah, Count Chudvinus blocked me when I called out his chudliness as well.

So weird how the person vehemently claiming to not be a chud just can't stop going to bat for Donald Trump, you guys.

Sooooooooo weeeeeeeeeeeeeird.

loafy013 posted...

US has been doing it for years. How come it is only an issue now. I see posters talking about Biden being bad doing it, but I don't recall them ever making a peep earlier than last year. Almost like they have an agenda to pearl clutch over it now and not then.

Hm, what could possibly be ongoing at the moment that might have drawn significantly more attention to this matter than it's had in the past?

mybbqrules posted...

Yeah, Count Chudvinus blocked me when I called out his chudliness as well.

So weird how the person vehemently claiming to not be a chud just can't stop going to bat for Donald Trump, you guys.

Sooooooooo weeeeeeeeeeeeeird.

Maybe his Blue MAGA thing is just desperately looking for friends :(

cjsdowg posted...

People have been complaining about the a ongoing support the US as given to the SA . And a genocide happening is the not same thing as the US aiding in a genocide and protecting the people doing it.

They said genocides are the most important issue on the globe. Is that all genocides or only ones committed by our home country's allies?

I'm just wondering why this is the election where we can no longer stomach American foreign policy and should stop voting. Not the tons of other elections where we were fully aware of the shit that goes on, but the election where WE WILL ALL SUFFER FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES if we don't vote against the GOP. I'm sure the dead Gazans will appreciate that we've decided to go with them to the grave. That will surely better the world in some way.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Why are we acting like America hasn't had bipartisan-backed evil fucking foreign policy for 50+ years? It's kind of a given at this point. We have a duty to do our best in America in spite of that. Maybe if we fix our shit at home, we can fix how we behave with the rest of the globe. No one would have handled it better than as bad as Biden has.

Slavery was a bipartisan-backed evil policy for a long time too. What kind of argument are you making here?

Also, biden is actively sending billions in dollars and weapons to israel. If you want to focus on fixing shit at home, cutting off that support to israel and diverting the money for domestic use would go a long way.

Trumble posted...

Hm, what could possibly be ongoing at the moment that might have drawn significantly more attention to this matter than it's had in the past?

How many innocent people have been raped and bombed by our government directly over the years? How many war crimes have our allies committed? No, I'm really not sure what changed.

cjsdowg posted...

People have been complaining about the a ongoing support the US as given to the SA . And a genocide happening is the not same thing as the US aiding in a genocide and protecting the people doing it.

You say this like American weapons aren't being used in any of those other places.

Diceheist posted...

Jill Stein is a Russian shill but the sad thing is who knows where the Green Party would be without corrupt grifting scumbags in the mix.

Same place they'd be at now because elections in this country are a joke. Third parties don't stand chance in this oligarchy. Money matters more than a candidate's policies when it comes to who gets elected.

mybbqrules posted...

So weird how the person vehemently claiming to not be a chud just can't stop going to bat for Donald Trump, you guys.

It is like, bashing Biden on this so he loses. It accomplishes nothing but getting Trump elected and worse genocide happens.
But you tell me you main priority is genocide?
Bullshit

Trumble posted...

And in order for that to happen, Democrats need to be a party that young progressive people are willing to be part of.

Which for a lot of them, means not fucking supporting a genocide.

Here's the thing. Republicans are fucked on this issue. They're always going to be fucked, nothing will change them, so it's a waste of time putting any effort besides discouraging support for them. Any half reasonable person already won't support them, so even that's of limited use.

Democrats, on the other hand, there's a chance. That's why it's actually worthwhile to call them out, to encourage pressure on them, etc. Even more so if third party is unrealistic, because that's the only way forward, so it first needs to become something that the people who'll take it forward are willing to be involved with.

Or, I guess, you can just sit back, whine "but Trump", and pretend the problems will just magically disappear if you get the current status quo Democrats back into office enough times in a row (assuming Palestine even still exists beyond the first term or two of this approach).

The Democrats won't learn shit if Trump wins because the party will be banished and all the young people who oppose the GOP will fucked for the rest of their lives.

I will always "but Trump" because defeating the GOP is the only thing that matters for this election. If Biden or whatever ham sandwich running opposes to him isn't equally as bad or worse, then further details don't matter.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Why are we acting like America hasn't had bipartisan-backed evil fucking foreign policy for 50+ years? It's kind of a given at this point. We have a duty to do our best in America in spite of that. Maybe if we fix our shit at home, we can fix how we behave with the rest of the globe. No one would have handled it better than as bad as Biden has.

Any honest single-issue US voter against Israeli war crimes should be at least as pro-Biden (in this election) as anyone ITT. Unless they are tired of their difficult cause, and secretly long for a Likud/GOP final solution to their problems.

After all, there is only one conceivable path to better US foreign policy:

1) End the GOP as a national party

2) Let the Democrats split into two (or more) tolerable parties.

3) Win with the D faction that actually has decent foreign policy.

The excessive whining and smearing of Biden as "genocide Joe" is nothing more than a childish tantrum that completely ignores the unpleasant fact that ending the GOP is a prerequisite for progress on every issue (not just foreign policy). And even if that happens, the unduly pro-Israel faction of the Democrats needs to be defeated in D primaries, which means fighting (and beating) AIPAC.

1337toothbrush posted...

Slavery was a bipartisan-backed evil policy for a long time too. What kind of argument are you making here?

Also, biden is actively sending billions in dollars and weapons to israel. If you want to focus on fixing shit at home, cutting off that support to israel and diverting the money for domestic use would go a long way.

Exactly.

Spend money on health care. Not genocide.

luigi33 posted...

Curious if CRIMINAL FELON Trump will balance out Biden Israel

What of Trump Israel?

WingsOfGood posted...

What of Trump Israel?

That's categorically irrelevant for these shit-stirrers. Can't think why.

EPR-radar posted...

The excessive whining and smearing of Biden as "genocide Joe" is nothing more than a childish tantrum that completely ignores the unpleasant fact that ending the GOP is a prerequisite for progress on every issue (not just foreign policy). And even if that happens, the unduly pro-Israel faction of the Democrats needs to be defeated in D primaries, which means fighting (and beating) AIPAC.

That isn't a smearing , When he is literally aiding , funding, and protecting people doing a genocide.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

Why we give this a pass?

EPR-radar posted...

That's categorically irrelevant for these shit-stirrers. Can't think why.

Because everybody already fucking knows and accepts that Trump is shit and nothing is achieved by repeating it, nor is there any chance of him changing or his party dumping him for it.

None of that is true for Biden.

Again, it's no different to the Israel shills going "but Hamas!" every time Israel is justifiably criticized. It's simply not necessary to do that because Hamas being shitty is not in dispute.

Yes, go on, point out the one or two people who actually were defending Trump and got modded or laughed out of the topic shortly afterwards and pretend that's representative. That's also what the Israel shills do.

Well then I guess we can sit home and then when healthcare is illegal and millions of innocent Americans are murdered by the government, at least we'll know the Democrats learned a lesson for the 3 minutes before the country was engulfed in hellfire.

cjsdowg posted...

That isn't a smearing , When he is literally aiding , funding, and protecting people doing a genocide.

ok cool

what do you think Trump will do to certain Americans if he wins?

you'll be in the camps after the trans and gay people, you do realize that right?

Trumble posted...

Let me remind you that both of these people have spent multiple hours arguing across multiple topics the exact same "third party doesn't have a chance" thing (which in fairness actually seems to be a valid argument) that they're dismissing in these posts.

If you needed any more proof they're not good faith posters on this subject.

Bro i asked you a while back what third party candidates we should vote for and you didn't know any. Literally everyone in the topic fucking laughed you out of it.

Shut the fuck up. You are massively uninformed on everything related to American politics.

Shadow_Don posted...

Bro i asked you a while back what third party candidates we should vote for and you didn't know any. Literally everyone in the topic fucking laughed you out of it.

Shut the fuck up. You are massively uninformed on everything related to American politics.

he's not even from the US. he has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

WingsOfGood posted...

Why we give this a pass?

No you see wanting to help Gaza refugees and wanting to deport Americans to Gaza where they'll be nuked are literally the exact same thing.

/s just in case.

thronedfire2 posted...

he's not even from the US. he has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

Hence why he's okay with it, he's not in any danger.

Trumble posted...

Because everybody already f***ing knows and accepts that Trump is s*** and nothing is achieved by repeating it, nor is there any chance of him changing or his party dumping him for it.

What do you gain by shitting on Biden every chance you get?
Other than Biden possibly losing?

Are Americans still pretending their politics doesn't affect the literal entire fucking world?

WingsOfGood posted...

What do you gain by shitting on Biden every chance you get?
Other than Biden possibly losing?

People putting enough pressure on Biden to change his stance, or enough pressure on the Democrats to replace him.

Things that will never happen with Trump / Republicans so there's no point on that side. Only way he's out of the picture is when he gets locked up, or if he doesn't, when he kicks the can.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No you see wanting to help Gaza refugees and wanting to deport Americans to Gaza where they'll be nuked are literally the exact same thing.

/s just in case.

Like someone says Biden is genociding to the MAX. No he is not.
That is a lie.

You haven't seen that at all yet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

Trumble posted...

People putting enough pressure on Biden to change his stance, or enough pressure on the Democrats to replace him.

Things that will never happen with Trump / Republicans so there's no point on that side. Only way he's out of the picture is when he gets locked up, or if he doesn't, when he kicks the can.

Enraging CE every chance to shit on Biden will not change his stance.

Trumble posted...

Are Americans still pretending their politics doesn't affect the literal entire fucking world?

no, which is why we know Trump can't be reelected under any circumstances.

Trumble posted...

Are Americans still pretending their politics doesn't affect the literal entire fucking world?

You gonna be boots on the ground helping protect people here in America when the LGBTQIA+ population gets rounded up?

Are you intending to be less than 5,000 miles from America at literally any time in the next four years?

Then no, you aren't going to be effected by it, which is why you're comfortable with this shit.

thronedfire2 posted...

ok cool

what do you think Trump will do to certain Americans if he wins?

you'll be in the camps after the trans and gay people, you do realize that right?

I take worse about the Republicans then all of you do. So this But Trump thing isn't going to work. I never suggest Trump would do better , and in fact I have countless times said he would be worse for americans if he gets elected .

thronedfire2 posted...

no, which is why we know Trump can't be reelected under any circumstances.

Exactly. Imagine if this guy was in chatge if Gaza fate.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

cjsdowg posted...

I take worse about the Republicans then all of you do

Lying through your teeth is never a good look.

cjsdowg posted...

I take worse about the Republicans then all of you do. So this But Trump thing isn't going to work. I never suggest Trump would do better , and in fact I have countless times said he would be worse for americans if he gets elected .

You countless times have told people that trump and Biden are the same with respect to women and lgbt rights and that they are the same with respect to protestors. So fuck off with that shit.

Trumble posted...

Are Americans still pretending their politics doesn't affect the literal entire fucking world?

Then you should be begging for Biden to win

Trumble posted...

Because everybody already fucking knows and accepts that Trump is shit and nothing is achieved by repeating it...

This is false for an important set of voters -- the morons in the middle that often decide elections. These are exactly the kind of stupid and shallow people that can 'think' like this: "gee, some people are calling Biden 'genocide Joe'. Maybe I should stay home or vote Trump for the lulz."

And as for "nothing is achieved by repeating it", give me a break. Repetition is essential for any propaganda or counter-propaganda effort.

Shadow_Don posted...

You countless times have told people that trump and Biden are the same with respect to women and lgbt rights and that they are the same with respect to protestors. So fuck off with that shit.

Also claims Biden so bad Trump couldn't do worse.

Did so ITT

@Red_XIV

Says the guy who voted for Trump in 2016 and said that Hillary was worse.

Wait is this true?

If it is, that explains a lot.

I can't even imagine spending 24/7 of my life trolling about another country's politics. What a life...

cjsdowg posted...

I take worse about the Republicans then all of you do. So this But Trump thing isn't going to work. I never suggest Trump would do better , and in fact I have countless times said he would be worse for americans if he gets elected .

Then voting for whoever is running against him is a no-brainer. And I'm supposed to believe that notoriously selfish Americans are so moved by the plight of Palestinians they have no will to live if neither party will protect Palestine?

WingsOfGood posted...

Also claims Biden so bad Trump couldn't do worse.

Did so ITT

Shit like that really should be an insta-ban. When someone beclowns themself so hard its a threat to everyone around them.

Just like to remind everyone that Trumble supports white supremacist political parties in New Zealand like ACT so of course he wants to see Trump win.

WingsOfGood posted...

Lying through your teeth is never a good look.

I have been warned for the things I said about Republican on this board .

sfcalimari posted...

Just like to remind everyone that Trumble supports white supremacist political parties in New Zealand like ACT so of course he wants to see Trump win.

How unsurprising.

It's remarkable how effective this rule is for online political arguments "Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do, and it will be clear what you believe."

hockeybabe89 posted...

Well then I guess we can sit home and then when healthcare is illegal and millions of innocent Americans are murdered by the government, at least we'll know the Democrats learned a lesson for the 3 minutes before the country was engulfed in hellfire.

We'll know they didn't learn a lesson, because they kept supporting the arming and funding of ethnic cleansing and it cost them the election.

Trumble posted...

People putting enough pressure on Biden to change his stance, or enough pressure on the Democrats to replace him.

Things that will never happen with Trump / Republicans so there's no point on that side. Only way he's out of the picture is when he gets locked up, or if he doesn't, when he kicks the can.

It's pretty evident Biden's not going to change his stances.

I think at this point, the best thing we can hope for is trying to remove as many pro-genocide politicians from congress so these bills don't pass.

https://trackaipac.com/